# SDMB Dynasty League: Year One **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 10, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515 "2009-09-10T03:45:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/1 "2009-09-10T03:45:27Z")
Since the old thread is five pages of rules discussions with an obsolete title, it’s probably a good idea to start a new one for in-season discussion. The old threads are [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=527808) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=528808). Draft Results: **Fightin’ Quakers** (furt) 1. (1) Maurice Jones-Drew 2. (24) Ronnie Brown 3. (36) Jonathan Stewart 4. (37) Anthony Gonzalez 5. (60) Rashard Mendenhall 6. (61) Darren Sproles 7. (84) Devin Hester 8. (85) Michael Crabtree 9. (108) Miles Austin 10. ``` (109) Jeremy Maclin ``` 11. ``` (132) Jason Campbell ``` 12. ``` (133) Brent Celek ``` 13. ``` (156) Chicago ``` 14. ``` (157) Nate Kaeding ``` 15. ``` (180) Devery Henderson ``` 16. ``` (181) Brandon Pettigrew ``` 17. ``` (204) Kevin Kolb ``` 18. ``` (205) Josh Freeman ``` 19. ``` (228) Sammie Stroughter ``` 20. ``` (229) Limas Sweed ``` 21. ``` (252) Cornelius Ingram ``` 22. ``` (253) Jake Delhomme ``` 23. ``` (276) Skyler Green ``` 24. ``` (277) Demetrius Byrd ``` 25. ``` (300) Jarett Dillard ``` **9 Inch Neils (RNATB)** 1. (2) Michael Turner 2. (23) Kevin Smith 3. (35) Brandon Marshall 4. (38) Vincent Jackson 5. (59) DeSean Jackson 6. (62) Larry Johnson 7. (83) Matt Schaub 8. (86) Chris Cooley 9. (107) Cedric Benson 10. ``` (110) Carson Palmer ``` 11. ``` (131) Philadelphia ``` 12. ``` (134) Steve Smith ``` 13. ``` (155) Carnell Williams ``` 14. ``` (158) Washington ``` 15. ``` (179) Mason Crosby ``` 16. ``` (182) Nate Burleson ``` 17. ``` (203) Tampa Bay ``` 18. ``` (206) Matt Prater ``` 19. ``` (227) Robert Meachem ``` 20. ``` (230) Jermichael Finley ``` 21. ``` (251) DeDe Dorsey ``` 22. ``` (254) Fred Taylor ``` 23. ``` (275) Maurice Morris ``` 24. ``` (278) Mewelde Moore ``` 25. ``` (299) Edgerrin James ``` **CuteWiddleBunny(Hmlt** 1. (3) Adrian Peterson 2. (22) Steve Smith 3. (34) Ryan Grant 4. (39) Philip Rivers 5. (58) Chad Ochocinco 6. (63) Donald Brown 7. (82) Owen Daniels 8. (87) Thomas Jones 9. (106) Percy Harvin 10. ``` (111) Tim Hightower ``` 11. ``` (130) Chester Taylor ``` 12. ``` (135) Matthew Stafford ``` 13. ``` (154) Jeremy Shockey ``` 14. ``` (159) Josh Morgan ``` 15. ``` (178) Matt Hasselbeck ``` 16. ``` (183) Miami ``` 17. ``` (202) Ryan Longwell ``` 18. ``` (207) Vernon Davis ``` 19. ``` (226) Seattle ``` 20. ``` (231) Chaz Schilens ``` 21. ``` (250) Jeff Reed ``` 22. ``` (255) Austin Collie ``` 23. ``` (274) Malcom Floyd ``` 24. ``` (279) Michael Vick ``` 25. ``` (298) Sam Hurd ``` **Deliverance** (The Mad Hermit) 1. (4) DeAngelo Williams 2. (21) Clinton Portis 3. (33) Wes Welker 4. (40) Terrell Owens 5. (57) Joseph Addai 6. (64) Hines Ward 7. (81) Dallas Clark 8. (88) Ben Roethlisberger 9. (105) Matt Cassel 10. ``` (112) Nate Washington ``` 11. ``` (129) BenJarvus Green-Ellis ``` 12. ``` (136) Tennessee ``` 13. ``` (153) Mark Clayton ``` 14. ``` (160) Kevin Curtis ``` 15. ``` (177) Kris Brown ``` 16. ``` (184) Carolina ``` 17. ``` (201) Sinorice Moss ``` 18. ``` (208) Antwaan Randle El ``` 19. ``` (225) Tarvaris Jackson ``` 20. ``` (232) John Standeford ``` 21. ``` (249) Nick Folk ``` 22. ``` (256) Billy Miller ``` 23. ``` (273) Reggie Brown ``` 24. ``` (280) Kevin Faulk ``` 25. ``` (297) Donald Lee ``` **We Do HGH** (Stringer) 1. (5) Matt Forte 2. (20) Reggie Wayne 3. (32) Marques Colston 4. (41) Marshawn Lynch 5. (56) Ray Rice 6. (65) Jay Cutler 7. (80) Jerricho Cotchery 8. (89) Lance Moore 9. (104) Hakeem Nicks 10. ``` (113) Jamaal Charles ``` 11. ``` (128) David Garrard ``` 12. ``` (137) Earnest Graham ``` 13. ``` (152) Earl Bennett ``` 14. ``` (161) Laurence Maroney ``` 15. ``` (176) New England ``` 16. ``` (185) Heath Miller ``` 17. ``` (200) Shaun Hill ``` 18. ``` (209) Brian Robiskie ``` 19. ``` (224) Gartrell Johnson ``` 20. ``` (233) Justin Fargas ``` 21. ``` (248) Mike Thomas ``` 22. ``` (257) Laurent Robinson ``` 23. ``` (272) Chris Brown ``` 24. ``` (281) Houston ``` 25. ``` (296) Garrett Hartley ``` **Isotopes** (Petey) 1. (6) LaDainian Tomlinson 2. (19) Peyton Manning 3. (31) Dwayne Bowe 4. (42) Darren McFadden 5. (55) Roy Williams 6. (66) Bernard Berrian 7. (79) LenDale White 8. (90) John Carlson 9. (103) Joe Flacco 10. ``` (114) Fred Jackson ``` 11. ``` (127) Ahmad Bradshaw ``` 12. ``` (138) Domenik Hixon ``` 13. ``` (151) Dallas ``` 14. ``` (162) Rob Bironas ``` 15. ``` (175) Derrick Mason ``` 16. ``` (186) Sammy Morris ``` 17. ``` (199) T.J. Duckett ``` 18. ``` (210) Mark Bradley ``` 19. ``` (223) Isaac Bruce ``` 20. ``` (234) John Kasay ``` 21. ``` (247) Bo Scaife ``` 22. ``` (258) Indianapolis ``` 23. ``` (271) Andre Brown ``` 24. ``` (282) Ronald Curry ``` 25. ``` (295) Pat White ``` \*\* RetroVertigo\*\* 1. (7) Chris Johnson 2. (18) Tom Brady 3. (30) Greg Jennings 4. (43) T.J. Houshmandzadeh 5. (54) Felix Jones 6. (67) Donnie Avery 7. (78) Shonn Greene 8. (91) Derrick Ward 9. (102) Lee Evans 10. ``` (115) Kevin Walter ``` 11. ``` (126) Kurt Warner ``` 12. ``` (139) Tashard Choice ``` 13. ``` (150) Juaquin Iglesias ``` 14. ``` (163) Michael Bush ``` 15. ``` (174) Glen Coffee ``` 16. ``` (187) Green Bay ``` 17. ``` (198) Bryant Johnson ``` 18. ``` (211) Javon Ringer ``` 19. ``` (222) Chase Coffman ``` 20. ``` (235) Mike Sims-Walker ``` 21. ``` (246) Malcolm Kelly ``` 22. ``` (259) Early Doucet ``` 23. ``` (270) Nate Davis ``` 24. ``` (283) Josh Brown ``` 25. ``` (294) San Francisco ``` **New York Fanboys** (Ellis Dee) 1. (8) Brian Westbrook 2. (17) Steven Jackson 3. (29) Pierre Thomas 4. (44) Tony Romo 5. (53) Antonio Gates 6. (68) Antonio Bryant 7. (77) Eli Manning 8. (92) Dustin Keller 9. (101) Pittsburgh 10. ``` (116) Mark Sanchez ``` 11. ``` (125) James Jones ``` 12. ``` (140) Chris Chambers ``` 13. ``` (149) Michael Jenkins ``` 14. ``` (164) New York ``` 15. ``` (173) Kevin Boss ``` 16. ``` (188) David Akers ``` 17. ``` (197) Patrick Crayton ``` 18. ``` (212) Peyton Hillis ``` 19. ``` (221) Ramses Barden ``` 20. ``` (236) Mario Manningham ``` 21. ``` (245) Chansi Stuckey ``` 22. ``` (260) DeShawn Wynn ``` 23. ``` (269) Nate Jones ``` 24. ``` (284) Brandon Jones ``` 25. ``` (293) Derek Hagan ``` **Exploding Pancakes** (SenorBeef) 1. (9) Steve Slaton 2. (16) Randy Moss 3. (28) Aaron Rodgers 4. (45) Braylon Edwards 5. (52) Eddie Royal 6. (69) Leon Washington 7. (76) LeSean McCoy 8. (93) James Davis 9. (100) Ted Ginn Jr. 10. ``` (117) Chris Henry ``` 11. ``` (124) Zach Miller ``` 12. ``` (141) Minnesota ``` 13. ``` (148) Davone Bess ``` 14. ``` (165) Jerome Harrison ``` 15. ``` (172) Johnnie Lee Higgins ``` 16. ``` (189) Justin Gage ``` 17. ``` (196) Joshua Cribbs ``` 18. ``` (213) Trent Edwards ``` 19. ``` (220) David Clowney ``` 20. ``` (237) Mike Bell ``` 21. ``` (244) Bernard Scott ``` 22. ``` (261) Greg Camarillo ``` 23. ``` (268) Jason Avant ``` 24. ``` (285) Jason Hanson ``` 25. ``` (292) Rashad Jennings ``` **Varlos’ Zzzzzzz** 1. (10) Larry Fitzgerald 2. (15) Calvin Johnson 3. (27) Marion Barber 4. (46) Knowshon Moreno 5. (51) Greg Olsen 6. (70) Matt Ryan 7. (75) Santonio Holmes 8. (94) Baltimore 9. (99) Jerious Norwood 10. ``` (118) Brady Quinn ``` 11. ``` (123) Julius Jones ``` 12. ``` (142) Kenny Britt ``` 13. ``` (147) Matt Leinart ``` 14. ``` (166) San Diego ``` 15. ``` (171) Sidney Rice ``` 16. ``` (190) Brandon Jackson ``` 17. ``` (195) Darrius Heyward-Bey ``` 18. ``` (214) Jordy Nelson ``` 19. ``` (219) Keenan Burton ``` 20. ``` (238) Danny Ware ``` 21. ``` (243) Robbie Gould ``` 22. ``` (262) Pierre Garcon ``` 23. ``` (267) Randy McMichael ``` 24. ``` (286) Vince Young ``` 25. ``` (291) Chad Henne ``` **The Gusterrhoids** (Justin\_Bailey) 1. (11) Brandon Jacobs 2. (14) Frank Gore 3. (26) Roddy White 4. (47) Reggie Bush 5. (50) Jason Witten 6. (71) Donovan McNabb 7. (74) Tony Gonzalez 8. (95) Laveranues Coles 9. (98) New York 10. ``` (119) Stephen Gostkowski ``` 11. ``` (122) Donald Driver ``` 12. ``` (143) Muhsin Muhammad ``` 13. ``` (146) Torry Holt ``` 14. ``` (167) Willis McGahee ``` 15. ``` (170) Le'Ron McClain ``` 16. ``` (191) Deion Branch ``` 17. ``` (194) Kyle Orton ``` 18. ``` (215) Correll Buckhalter ``` 19. ``` (218) Anthony Fasano ``` 20. ``` (239) Michael Clayton ``` 21. ``` (242) Jason Elam ``` 22. ``` (263) Cleveland ``` 23. ``` (266) Brett Favre ``` 24. ``` (287) Joey Galloway ``` 25. ``` (290) Rian Lindell ``` **Warner’s Brothers** (dalej42) 1. (12) Drew Brees 2. (13) Andre Johnson 3. (25) Anquan Boldin 4. (48) Beanie Wells 5. (49) Willie Parker 6. (72) Kellen Winslow 7. (73) Santana Moss 8. (96) Jamal Lewis 9. (97) Steve Breaston 10. ``` (120) JaMarcus Russell ``` 11. ``` (121) Visanthe Shiancoe ``` 12. ``` (144) Tony Scheffler ``` 13. ``` (145) Ladell Betts ``` 14. ``` (168) Chad Pennington ``` 15. ``` (169) Jerheme Urban ``` 16. ``` (192) Sage Rosenfels ``` 17. ``` (193) Ricky Williams ``` 18. ``` (216) Bobby Engram ``` 19. ``` (217) Arizona ``` 20. ``` (240) Antonio Pittman ``` 21. ``` (241) Chris Henry ``` 22. ``` (264) Neil Rackers ``` 23. ``` (265) Ben Patrick ``` 24. ``` (288) Josh Reed ``` 25. ``` (289) Javon Walker ``` ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/2 "2009-09-10T13:19:45Z")
Love my team (Go Bears!) but I made some mistakes in the draft. This should be a fun league! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/3 "2009-09-10T14:05:23Z")
I have very happy with my team. I might not be able to compete in year two because of my lack of youth, but I am gunning for the championship this year for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/4 "2009-09-10T14:30:24Z")
I did whacking great big pick-by-pick write ups for the HHM league but I can’t do that again. **Fightin’ Quakers (furt)** 1. (1) Maurice Jones-Drew 2. (24) Ronnie Brown 3. (36) Jonathan Stewart 4. (37) Anthony Gonzalez 5. (60) Rashard Mendenhall 6. (61) Darren Sproles 7. (84) Devin Hester 8. (85) Michael Crabtree 9. (108) Miles Austin 10. ``` (109) Jeremy Maclin ``` 11. ``` (132) Jason Campbell ``` 12. ``` (133) Brent Celek ``` 13. ``` (156) Chicago ``` 14. ``` (157) Nate Kaeding ``` 15. ``` (180) Devery Henderson ``` 16. ``` (181) Brandon Pettigrew ``` 17. ``` (204) Kevin Kolb ``` 18. ``` (205) Josh Freeman ``` 19. ``` (228) Sammie Stroughter ``` 20. ``` (229) Limas Sweed ``` 21. ``` (252) Cornelius Ingram ``` 22. ``` (253) Jake Delhomme ``` 23. ``` (276) Skyler Green ``` 24. ``` (277) Demetrius Byrd ``` 25. ``` (300) Jarett Dillard ``` Pro: Young core of tailbacks. Either of his first two picks could be league MVP this year, and both catch passes. I think Jason Campbell will be this year’s breakout quarterback, and **furt** got him with what amounts to a throwaway pick in the 11th round. Excellent receiving prospects. Con: Jonathan Stewart isn’t going to be the starter in Carolina for the forseeable future. You drafted him _way_ too early. Not much else in the way of prospects at running back, since Mendenhall has been given every opportunity to win a starting job in Pittsburgh and hasn’t yet. You really ought to be carrying two defenses in a 25-player league. Drop one of your 900 wideouts. **9 Inch Neils (RNATB)** 1. (2) Michael Turner 2. (23) Kevin Smith 3. (35) Brandon Marshall 4. (38) Vincent Jackson 5. (59) DeSean Jackson 6. (62) Larry Johnson 7. (83) Matt Schaub 8. (86) Chris Cooley 9. (107) Cedric Benson 10. ``` (110) Carson Palmer ``` 11. ``` (131) Philadelphia ``` 12. ``` (134) Steve Smith ``` 13. ``` (155) Carnell Williams ``` 14. ``` (158) Washington ``` 15. ``` (179) Mason Crosby ``` 16. ``` (182) Nate Burleson ``` 17. ``` (203) Tampa Bay ``` 18. ``` (206) Matt Prater ``` 19. ``` (227) Robert Meachem ``` 20. ``` (230) Jermichael Finley ``` 21. ``` (251) DeDe Dorsey ``` 22. ``` (254) Fred Taylor ``` 23. ``` (275) Maurice Morris ``` 24. ``` (278) Mewelde Moore ``` 25. ``` (299) Edgerrin James ``` Pro: Only team with four unquestioned starters at running back and ridiculous running back depth. Two wideouts entering their primes, plus two who could be future stars (Jackson and Smith). Top-10 talent at every position. After taking Smith and Marshall I figured I might as well get the rest of the former UCF players, hence Matt Prater and the Philly D (Asante Samuel). Meachem could be in the Saints starting lineup sooner rather than later, and is one of the most explosive pure athletes in the league. Con: I admit, I screwed up. I was so sure furt would take Peterson that I didn’t even bother to put him in my queue, and I just hit Turner without even bothering to look when I heard the ‘on the clock’ noise. Questionable backup receivers- great prospects, but no sure starters. Two quarterbacks probably isn’t enough in a big roster league, and Palmer may never be the same. Plus I passed up on a chance to take Kurt Warner with a throwaway pick (as did everyone else). Turner doesn’t catch passes, which will cost me. Missed out on Mike Walker though. **CuteWiddleBunny(Hmlt** 1. (3) Adrian Peterson 2. (22) Steve Smith 3. (34) Ryan Grant 4. (39) Philip Rivers 5. (58) Chad Ochocinco 6. (63) Donald Brown 7. (82) Owen Daniels 8. (87) Thomas Jones 9. (106) Percy Harvin 10. ``` (111) Tim Hightower ``` 11. ``` (130) Chester Taylor ``` 12. ``` (135) Matthew Stafford ``` 13. ``` (154) Jeremy Shockey ``` 14. ``` (159) Josh Morgan ``` 15. ``` (178) Matt Hasselbeck ``` 16. ``` (183) Miami ``` 17. ``` (202) Ryan Longwell ``` 18. ``` (207) Vernon Davis ``` 19. ``` (226) Seattle ``` 20. ``` (231) Chaz Schilens ``` 21. ``` (250) Jeff Reed ``` 22. ``` (255) Austin Collie ``` 23. ``` (274) Malcom Floyd ``` 24. ``` (279) Michael Vick ``` 25. ``` (298) Sam Hurd ``` Pro: Great young horses in Peterson and Grant. Great one-two punch at wideout. Great long-term starter at quarterback. Handcuffed Peterson. Brown is an excellent prospect (though probably not this year). Thomas Jones is a terrific value as a short term fill in #3. Collie might be the next great Colts wideout. Harvin could give you flex-back scoring at the flex-wideout position as early as this year. Con: You could have had Stafford much later, and probably should have considering how long it will be before Detroit’s offensive line is fixed. Seattle’s defense isn’t any good, and is not worth drafting. **Deliverance** (The Mad Hermit) 1. (4) DeAngelo Williams 2. (21) Clinton Portis 3. (33) Wes Welker 4. (40) Terrell Owens 5. (57) Joseph Addai 6. (64) Hines Ward 7. (81) Dallas Clark 8. (88) Ben Roethlisberger 9. (105) Matt Cassel 10. ``` (112) Nate Washington ``` 11. ``` (129) BenJarvus Green-Ellis ``` 12. ``` (136) Tennessee ``` 13. ``` (153) Mark Clayton ``` 14. ``` (160) Kevin Curtis ``` 15. ``` (177) Kris Brown ``` 16. ``` (184) Carolina ``` 17. ``` (201) Sinorice Moss ``` 18. ``` (208) Antwaan Randle El ``` 19. ``` (225) Tarvaris Jackson ``` 20. ``` (232) John Standeford ``` 21. ``` (249) Nick Folk ``` 22. ``` (256) Billy Miller ``` 23. ``` (273) Reggie Brown ``` 24. ``` (280) Kevin Faulk ``` 25. ``` (297) Donald Lee ``` Pro: DeAngelo Williams is a beast. Addai still has six-plus productive years left and is great value at #5 if he can hold onto his job. Nate Washington could be a big deal in Tennessee. Con: Big Ben isn’t a #1 quarterback. Cassel may not even be a worthwhile #3. Your team is really, really old- Owens, Ward, and Portis will all be worthless in two years. Mortgaging the future is okay, but if you were going to do that you should have built a team that can win this year, and I don’t think yours can. **We Do HGH** (Stringer) 1. (5) Matt Forte 2. (20) Reggie Wayne 3. (32) Marques Colston 4. (41) Marshawn Lynch 5. (56) Ray Rice 6. (65) Jay Cutler 7. (80) Jerricho Cotchery 8. (89) Lance Moore 9. (104) Hakeem Nicks 10. ``` (113) Jamaal Charles ``` 11. ``` (128) David Garrard ``` 12. ``` (137) Earnest Graham ``` 13. ``` (152) Earl Bennett ``` 14. ``` (161) Laurence Maroney ``` 15. ``` (176) New England ``` 16. ``` (185) Heath Miller ``` 17. ``` (200) Shaun Hill ``` 18. ``` (209) Brian Robiskie ``` 19. ``` (224) Gartrell Johnson ``` 20. ``` (233) Justin Fargas ``` 21. ``` (248) Mike Thomas ``` 22. ``` (257) Laurent Robinson ``` 23. ``` (272) Chris Brown ``` 24. ``` (281) Houston ``` 25. ``` (296) Garrett Hartley ``` Pro: Forte can be awesome in a PPR league if Cutler takes advantage of him. Nice one-two punch at wideout, and Lance Moore makes a TON of sense behind Colston. Robiskie could do big things in Cleveland if the quarterback situation ever gets sorted out. Con: I think you overpaid for Reggie Wayne considering his age. Cutler has been available much later than round 6 in most drafts. You have a bit of a problem for the first three weeks of this season with Lynch out. Your kicker won’t play until Week 5 and you only got one. **Isotopes** (Petey) 1. (6) LaDainian Tomlinson 2. (19) Peyton Manning 3. (31) Dwayne Bowe 4. (42) Darren McFadden 5. (55) Roy Williams 6. (66) Bernard Berrian 7. (79) LenDale White 8. (90) John Carlson 9. (103) Joe Flacco 10. ``` (114) Fred Jackson ``` 11. ``` (127) Ahmad Bradshaw ``` 12. ``` (138) Domenik Hixon ``` 13. ``` (151) Dallas ``` 14. ``` (162) Rob Bironas ``` 15. ``` (175) Derrick Mason ``` 16. ``` (186) Sammy Morris ``` 17. ``` (199) T.J. Duckett ``` 18. ``` (210) Mark Bradley ``` 19. ``` (223) Isaac Bruce ``` 20. ``` (234) John Kasay ``` 21. ``` (247) Bo Scaife ``` 22. ``` (258) Indianapolis ``` 23. ``` (271) Andre Brown ``` 24. ``` (282) Ronald Curry ``` 25. ``` (295) Pat White ``` Pro: Young team from round 3 onwards. Bradshaw should be one of the few backup running backs who makes a viable every-week starter, possibly even as a #2. Andre Brown could be an excellent long-view pick. Con: Your first two picks average 31 years of age. Not good long term. \*\* RetroVertigo\*\* 1. (7) Chris Johnson 2. (18) Tom Brady 3. (30) Greg Jennings 4. (43) T.J. Houshmandzadeh 5. (54) Felix Jones 6. (67) Donnie Avery 7. (78) Shonn Greene 8. (91) Derrick Ward 9. (102) Lee Evans 10. ``` (115) Kevin Walter ``` 11. ``` (126) Kurt Warner ``` 12. ``` (139) Tashard Choice ``` 13. ``` (150) Juaquin Iglesias ``` 14. ``` (163) Michael Bush ``` 15. ``` (174) Glen Coffee ``` 16. ``` (187) Green Bay ``` 17. ``` (198) Bryant Johnson ``` 18. ``` (211) Javon Ringer ``` 19. ``` (222) Chase Coffman ``` 20. ``` (235) Mike Sims-Walker ``` 21. ``` (246) Malcolm Kelly ``` 22. ``` (259) Early Doucet ``` 23. ``` (270) Nate Davis ``` 24. ``` (283) Josh Brown ``` 25. ``` (294) San Francisco ``` Pro: Mostly young team but has a chance to win lots of games straight away. Glen Coffee might be the starter in San Fran sooner than expected. Greg Jennings will give you 10 touchdowns a year for 10 years. Derrick Ward is terrific value in round 8 even with the unsettled Bucs depth chart. Mike Sims-Walker was better than Brandon Marshall in college and will start opposite Torry Holt this year. Lee Evans and Kevin Walter are both great gets at their respective slots. Con: You drafted two defenses and both are useless (though I like San Fran long term). Brady is old and his health is questionable. **New York Fanboys** (Ellis Dee) 1. (8) Brian Westbrook 2. (17) Steven Jackson 3. (29) Pierre Thomas 4. (44) Tony Romo 5. (53) Antonio Gates 6. (68) Antonio Bryant 7. (77) Eli Manning 8. (92) Dustin Keller 9. (101) Pittsburgh 10. ``` (116) Mark Sanchez ``` 11. ``` (125) James Jones ``` 12. ``` (140) Chris Chambers ``` 13. ``` (149) Michael Jenkins ``` 14. ``` (164) New York ``` 15. ``` (173) Kevin Boss ``` 16. ``` (188) David Akers ``` 17. ``` (197) Patrick Crayton ``` 18. ``` (212) Peyton Hillis ``` 19. ``` (221) Ramses Barden ``` 20. ``` (236) Mario Manningham ``` 21. ``` (245) Chansi Stuckey ``` 22. ``` (260) DeShawn Wynn ``` 23. ``` (269) Nate Jones ``` 24. ``` (284) Brandon Jones ``` 25. ``` (293) Derek Hagan ``` Pro: Nice save after another autodisaster. Great 1-2-3 punch at running back for now. Probably the only team which will start two tight ends. Pittsburgh D will be good forever, pretty much. Con: Why the hell would you want to start two tight ends? An iffy receiver will outproduce a good tight end, which I guess is okay because your wideouts aren’t even good enough to be called iffy. Mark Sanchez was a bit of a luxury pick considering you already had Romo and Eli. **Exploding Pancakes** (SenorBeef) 1. (9) Steve Slaton 2. (16) Randy Moss 3. (28) Aaron Rodgers 4. (45) Braylon Edwards 5. (52) Eddie Royal 6. (69) Leon Washington 7. (76) LeSean McCoy 8. (93) James Davis 9. (100) Ted Ginn Jr. 10. ``` (117) Chris Henry ``` 11. ``` (124) Zach Miller ``` 12. ``` (141) Minnesota ``` 13. ``` (148) Davone Bess ``` 14. ``` (165) Jerome Harrison ``` 15. ``` (172) Johnnie Lee Higgins ``` 16. ``` (189) Justin Gage ``` 17. ``` (196) Joshua Cribbs ``` 18. ``` (213) Trent Edwards ``` 19. ``` (220) David Clowney ``` 20. ``` (237) Mike Bell ``` 21. ``` (244) Bernard Scott ``` 22. ``` (261) Greg Camarillo ``` 23. ``` (268) Jason Avant ``` 24. ``` (285) Jason Hanson ``` 25. ``` (292) Rashad Jennings ``` Pro: I seriously considered Slaton at #2 overall, considering how good he is at catching passes. Your team might have more passing-game firepower than any other. Con: You’ve got no damn running backs. Leon Washington will produce good numbers for a #3 back, but he’s not a #2, and your other guys could generously be called #4s. You can start two backs and three/four wideouts, of course, but that’s not a winning formula long term. **Varlos’ Zzzzzzz** 1. (10) Larry Fitzgerald 2. (15) Calvin Johnson 3. (27) Marion Barber 4. (46) Knowshon Moreno 5. (51) Greg Olsen 6. (70) Matt Ryan 7. (75) Santonio Holmes 8. (94) Baltimore 9. (99) Jerious Norwood 10. ``` (118) Brady Quinn ``` 11. ``` (123) Julius Jones ``` 12. ``` (142) Kenny Britt ``` 13. ``` (147) Matt Leinart ``` 14. ``` (166) San Diego ``` 15. ``` (171) Sidney Rice ``` 16. ``` (190) Brandon Jackson ``` 17. ``` (195) Darrius Heyward-Bey ``` 18. ``` (214) Jordy Nelson ``` 19. ``` (219) Keenan Burton ``` 20. ``` (238) Danny Ware ``` 21. ``` (243) Robbie Gould ``` 22. ``` (262) Pierre Garcon ``` 23. ``` (267) Randy McMichael ``` 24. ``` (286) Vince Young ``` 25. ``` (291) Chad Henne ``` Pro: Jaw dropping wide receivers. Excellent defenses. Vince Young might be a savvy pick for the future. Con: You’d better hope Moreno wins the Denver job, because otherwise you’ve got Barber, Julius Jones (who should really be a #4), and not much else. Of your first three quarterbacks, only one has a starting job, and neither of the other two appear to be very good. Greg Olsen in the fifth? Yuck. **The Gusterrhoids** (Justin\_Bailey) 1. (11) Brandon Jacobs 2. (14) Frank Gore 3. (26) Roddy White 4. (47) Reggie Bush 5. (50) Jason Witten 6. (71) Donovan McNabb 7. (74) Tony Gonzalez 8. (95) Laveranues Coles 9. (98) New York 10. ``` (119) Stephen Gostkowski ``` 11. ``` (122) Donald Driver ``` 12. ``` (143) Muhsin Muhammad ``` 13. ``` (146) Torry Holt ``` 14. ``` (167) Willis McGahee ``` 15. ``` (170) Le'Ron McClain ``` 16. ``` (191) Deion Branch ``` 17. ``` (194) Kyle Orton ``` 18. ``` (215) Correll Buckhalter ``` 19. ``` (218) Anthony Fasano ``` 20. ``` (239) Michael Clayton ``` 21. ``` (242) Jason Elam ``` 22. ``` (263) Cleveland ``` 23. ``` (266) Brett Favre ``` 24. ``` (287) Joey Galloway ``` 25. ``` (290) Rian Lindell ``` Pro: Excellent 1-2-3 RB punch. Great short-term championship potential. Smart move to take McGahee and McClain. You can start two tight ends. Con: Again, why the heck would you start two tight ends? Your team is really old, and your running backs are all injury-prone. You don’t have a #2 receiver. **Warner’s Brothers** (dalej42) 1. (12) Drew Brees 2. (13) Andre Johnson 3. (25) Anquan Boldin 4. (48) Beanie Wells 5. (49) Willie Parker 6. (72) Kellen Winslow 7. (73) Santana Moss 8. (96) Jamal Lewis 9. (97) Steve Breaston 10. ``` (120) JaMarcus Russell ``` 11. ``` (121) Visanthe Shiancoe ``` 12. ``` (144) Tony Scheffler ``` 13. ``` (145) Ladell Betts ``` 14. ``` (168) Chad Pennington ``` 15. ``` (169) Jerheme Urban ``` 16. ``` (192) Sage Rosenfels ``` 17. ``` (193) Ricky Williams ``` 18. ``` (216) Bobby Engram ``` 19. ``` (217) Arizona ``` 20. ``` (240) Antonio Pittman ``` 21. ``` (241) Chris Henry ``` 22. ``` (264) Neil Rackers ``` 23. ``` (265) Ben Patrick ``` 24. ``` (288) Josh Reed ``` 25. ``` (289) Javon Walker ``` Pro: Another pass-happy team, with the best QB-WR-WR combo of all. If Boldin gets dealt, Breaston will be a #2 wideout playing #4 for you. Great pick on Betts. Con: Long-term potential of the Cards’ defense is great, but you apparently forgot that you have to start a defense this season too. You don’t have a #1 running back, and you might not even have a #2. Winslow was a reach in the 6th round. If Jamarcus Russell was my primary backup I’d be crying into a beer right now, even with Brees as my #1. **Final Analysis** Rather than giving everyone a score, I’m just going to rank the drafts from best to worst. 1. CuteWiddleBunny ( **Hamlet** ) - not coincidentally, he snatched a ton of players just as I was getting ready to draft them. And I accidentally handed him AP. 2. **RetroVertigo** 3. Fightin’ Quakers (**furt)** 4. 9 Inch Neils ( **Me** ) 5. Isotopes ( **Petey** ) 6. We Do HGH ( **Stringer** ) 7. The Gusterroids ( **Justin\_Bailey** ) 8. **Varlos’ Z** zzzzzz 9. Warner’s Brothers ( **dalej42** ) 10. Exploding Pancakes ( **SenorBeef** ) 11. Deliverance ( **TheMadHermit** ) 12. New York Fanboys ( **Ellis Dee** ) - sorry, dude. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/5 "2009-09-10T16:00:27Z")
There is no way way that I have the 10th best roster in this league. Not even close. Self review: 1. (9) Steve Slaton Probably best value of round 1. I had Slaton rated at #3 overall. I may be overrating him - I didn’t actually watch many Texans games and I can’t evaluate his running style and talent, but they asked him to bulk up a bit to handle the load this year and he did. They didn’t draft a running back this year, and the #2 is aging Chris Brown. So they seem to be committed to the future with Slaton. His upside is potentially being a moderately less awesome LT for the next 5 years. 1. (16) Randy Moss Varlos’ pick comes around. He went WR with his first pick, so I think he’s gotta go RB and Calvin Johnson WILL BE ALL MINE MUHAHAHA. And Slaton/Megatron would’ve been the best draft out of rounds 1/2. But then he takes Johnson anyway. So now I’m looking at Steven Jackson (who I don’t like), Tom Brady/Peyton Manning (I really want Rodgers). Kevin Smith, Ronnie Brown, Clinton Portis… the latter two with durability/long term issues, the former a bit of an unknown. I feel confident that I can pick up future starters at RB later in the draft, and so I should take a known quality at WR now. It turns out that I didn’t get the opportunity to draft some of the RBs I wanted later, so it seemed like a good plan. So the choice here was really Moss/Wayne/Roddy White. I almost took White for youth. But I thought.. Moss is a freak, and coming back to the same situation where he scored 22 TDs 2 years ago. He’s gotta have at least 2 productive years left in him. By then one of my bench picks will be ready to emerge at WR. Moss it is. I bitched about it all draft because I thought I had a fist-pump slam dunk combo waiting until Varlos kicked me in the balls. Only fair, I guess, since I’m pretty sure he wanted Slaton as badly as I did. > [@](#): > > 1. (28) Aaron Rodgers I hope I’m not reading too much into one season where he had to pass from behind a lot, but to put up those numbers in your first year as a starter, and have your offense and system remain intact - he could be the next Peyton Manning in terms of consistent fantasy production. I hope this league lasts for the long term (the keeper league is in year 7, IIRC - that would be fantastic if we could last anywhere near that long) and Rodgers probably going to be a guy I can plug in at starter for as long as I want. > [@](#): > > 1. (45) Braylon Edwards He may not be a star again this year (although he may), but he’s going to be a star long term. He has too much talent not to succeed. He may bail out of Cleveland at the first chance next year, and if he goes into a positive situation offensively he’s going to be a top 3 fantasy WR for years. > [@](#): > > 1. (52) Eddie Royal This is another case where I didn’t get that much chance to watch him, but I’m just looking at the production. I don’t know how much the switch from Cutler to Orton will hurt or help him. Royal ran the shorter routes generally - Cutler forcefed Marshall the Ball. Orton is going to be Mr. Checkdown and so Royal may catch a ton of short passes, especially if Marshall is a nutball. High PPR potential. > [@](#): > > 1. (69) Leon Washington I know, he’s not a true starting RB and isn’t likely to be one - but when you mix and match a few hundred rushing yards, a few hundred rec yards, and add in return points, he ends up putting up some decent, steady numbers. > [@](#): > > 1. (76) LeSean McCoy How long can Westbrook hold out? If he becomes the man in Philly within a year or two, this pick will be great. > [@](#): > > 1. (93) James Davis Yeah, people laughed at this reach. People are becoming savvy to Davis after every fantasy football blog is picking him as their big sleeper. I didn’t know if he was going to last much later. Either him or Harrison is going to be the starter for the Browns by week 4. As I’ve said in other threads, I hope it’s Harrison because Harrison is better, but Davis may have the leg up due to a good preseason and being Mangini’s pick. > [@](#): > > 1. (100) Ted Ginn Jr. Year 3 for him. Put up almost 800 yards last year, so I hope he can put it all together and have a career year. > [@](#): > > 1. (117) Chris Henry A pretty popular sleeper. He drops too far because people base their decisions too much on last year’s production and not this year’s projection. He’s a great athlete, has looked dominant in preseason, and he’s going to be in the starting lineup in one of the most prolific pass offenses. He’s in for a big year. Long term: he may get arrested for carjacking someone. > [@](#): > > 1. (124) Zach Miller Had to take a TE at some point. Miller is going to be Russel’s security blanket and put up 700/4 or so. > [@](#): > > 1. (141) Minnesota Gotta snatch a defense at some point. I like them in part because AP running down the clock helps in the points allowed department. They need to get a secondary, but they’re the best of the defenses left at this point. > [@](#): > > 1. (148) Davone Bess Potential #2 in Miami plus return yards, the kid has potential. He was looking good by the end of last year. > [@](#): > > 1. (165) Jerome Harrison This is the other half of the Davis pick. One of them will be a starter. Not sure yet. Willing to spend a 14th rounder to be covered either way. > [@](#): > > 1. (172) Johnnie Lee Higgins One of the leading returners in the league, with a few hundred rec yards. I’m willing to take a gamble that a good returner turns into a decent receiver and I’ll have a stream of steady points from that player. > [@](#): > > 1. (189) Justin Gage May be the #1 option in Tennessee, who I suspect will find themselves passing more this year. > [@](#): > > 1. (196) Joshua Cribbs Cribbs is underrated. He’s looking good in the return game, and I suspect he’ll get 1600 yards this year, which turns out to be a steady 4 points per game. Which doesn’t sound like much, but with rosters this deep you’re not going to average 12+ points per starting slot like you might expect in other leagues. More importantly, the #2 receiver situation in Cleveland is unclear. No one has stepped up to take it, and Cribbs has massively improved his receiving skills from previous years. I think he may be the day one #2 receiver in addition to the returner. I could see him with a 1600 return yard/600 rec yard/5 total TD season. > [@](#): > > 1. (213) Trent Edwards Backup QB was slim pickings at this point, and I’d feel kind of silly to have a 15 slot bench with no backup QB. Edwards situation is nasty, with a bad offensive line and a questionable coaching situation, but the plan is just to forcefeed the ball to TO and he may be productive that way. > [@](#): > > 1. (220) David Clowney I don’t know anything about him other than that he’s the #2 WR for the Jets currently. Which is not the most enviable position in the league, certainly - but a starting WR in the 19th round? I’ll take it. > [@](#): > > 1. (237) Mike Bell May become part of a 3 way timeshare in NO (I hope not, being a Pierre Thomas owner in other leagues). At least should give me a good game or two early in the season as Thomas is injured. > [@](#): > > 1. (244) Bernard Scott I hear the guy is crazy talented with a sketchy past - so, of course, he’s a Bengal. Cedric Benson sucks and this is the most likely guy on the current roster to replace him. Quite possibly this year. > [@](#): > > 1. (261) Greg Camarillo I now have the entire Miami WR corps, but I couldn’t pass up on him at pick 22. I rated him as around a round 15/16 type value. > [@](#): > > 1. (268) Jason Avant Philly receiver. Not quite sure where he stands in the lineup, but I’ve heard his name as a sleeper from a few sources. > [@](#): > > 1. (285) Jason Hanson I avoided the last round rush on kickers by sneaking one in a round early. Not even sure that mattered cause who knows if he’ll be any good. He’s an accurate kicker, players in a dome, and Detroit should suck less. > [@](#): > > 1. (292) Rashad Jennings Based on camp reports, looks good and is probably MJD’s backup. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/6 "2009-09-10T16:37:05Z")
Slaton was 4th, I believe, on my board (ADP, Forte, Johnson). I had Fitzgerald and Megatron 6th and 7th respectively, so when Johnson fell to me with the 15th pick I felt I didn’t really have a choice, even with the WR in the first. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/7 "2009-09-10T18:23:38Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (9) Steve Slaton > > Probably best value of round 1. Adrian Peterson at #3 far outshines Slaton at 9. Far and away. Slaton got the load last year because Green and Brown were injured. With Brown healthy, I fully expect Slaton to carry the ball less and lose goal line carries. Of course Brown is rarely healthy for a full year, so it may not be too much, but I do predict a decrease in his totals in both yardage and TD’s. Which isn’t what you want at RB#1. Long term, I see the Texans drafting a bigger back and them joining the legions of NFL teams with two backs. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (16) Randy Moss Good pick, both talent and value. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (28) Aaron Rodgers > I hope I’m not reading too much into one season where he had to pass from behind a lot, but to put up those numbers in your first year as a starter, and have your offense and system remain intact - he could be the next Peyton Manning in terms of consistent fantasy production. Good pick. Bit of reach, but with it being a long term dynasty league, I think it works out fine for you. I think later this year and in the future you will regret not grabbing another RB, especially in a league with flex positions. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (45) Braylon Edwards > > He may not be a star again this year (although he may), but he’s going to be a star long term. He has too much talent not to succeed. There are a ton of talented players who flash and go. Personally, I hope he succeeds, because I have in a money league, but I’m not counting on it. He’s regressed seriously and could easily be a bust, even if he leaves Cleveland. And, once again, you passed on talented young RB’s like Moreno, Wells, even Felix Jones. I think you’ll regret that. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (52) Eddie Royal Another fucking WR? Again, I think you’ll regret passing on RBs so consistently. And even if you hate RoyWill and OchoCinco in a dynasty league, I think DeSean Jackson with an actual real life great QB is the better pick than Eddie Royal. I didn’t like this pick. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (69) Leon Washington > I know, he’s not a true starting RB and isn’t likely to be one - but when you mix and match a few hundred rushing yards, a few hundred rec yards, and add in return points, he ends up putting up some decent, steady numbers. Ahh, those elusive return yards. Here is where you begin to pay for going WR/QB/Wr/WR. You’re stuck starting a part timer whose team just drafted another RB and who only 800 yard COMBINED rushing and receiving last year. Oofa. I like Leon, but I don’t think he’ll ever get a chance to be a starting RB in the league. Not good for your second RB taken. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > 1. (76) LeSean McCoy Great pick. I look back at Donald Brown pick and wish I had taken McCoy. A bit surprised you didn’t go with LenWhale, but this is a future pick. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yeah, people laughed at this reach. I was laughing too. I’ve been waiting for a couple years for the Browns to dump Jamal, but still he’s there. Davis may very well become a starter in a couple years… or he may not. There are tons of carcasses of middle round draft picks/preseason star RB who never even sniffed the starting lineup. I’m afeared Davis may be the next. But, again, you need to rely on injuries to get a starting lineup of RB. If both Westbrook and Lewis break down AND Davis gets the nod for the Browns AND the Browns don’t play from behind all year, you’ll finally have a good starting lineup. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > (100) Ted Ginn Jr. Year 3 for him. He had one, count them one, 100 yard game and 2, count them, 2 touchdowns after starting every single game as the Dolphins #1 WR. Unless that 3rd year WR slot machine pays off for him, I fear you won’t ever start the guy. I won’t go pick by pick with the rest, there’s just too much subjectivity and guesswork to decide yet. I will say that I liked the hedging your bets (Harrison to go with Davis, Bess and Camarillo to cover for Ginn), but surprised you didn’t grab Chris Brown for Slaton. I loved the Mike Bell pick. And, in my heart of hearts, I wanted Cribbs. But you spent, by my count, 4 picks on the exact same guy “Return guy who I really hope make it as a WR” (Ginn, Higgins, Cribbs, and Clowney). I think with that strategy you missed out on a fair amount of actual talent at WR, as well as any depth at TE, K, Def, RB, and QB. And if Rodgers (God forbid) goes down, you’re done. Just some random thoughts. Don’t take them too seriously, fuck if I know what I’m talking about. Best of luck! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/8 "2009-09-10T18:45:06Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Adrian Peterson at #3 far outshines Slaton at 9. Far and away. Woops, you’re right. I forgot that even happened. > [@](#): > > Another fucking WR? Again, I think you’ll regret passing on RBs so consistently. And even if you hate RoyWill and OchoCinco in a dynasty league, I think DeSean Jackson with an actual real life great QB is the better pick than Eddie Royal. I didn’t like this pick. It was Royal/DeSean Jackson/Ray Rice there. Rice may have been the best pick. Jackson is also tempting, as he has a higher ceiling - but Philly WRs historically are so inconsistent, and Royal catches crazy amounts of balls which helps PPR. > [@](#): > > Ahh, those elusive return yards. Here is where you begin to pay for going WR/QB/Wr/WR. You’re stuck starting a part timer whose team just drafted another RB and who only 800 yard COMBINED rushing and receiving last year. Given our scoring format, where do you think Leon Washington ranked among RBs in total points? Maybe 30th? 25th? Nope. 12th. Ahead of Marshawn Lynch, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, and Ronnie Brown. > [@](#): > > Assuming he keeps his returner job and returns about the same, I could see him even increasing his rushing/rec yards which were pretty modest (488 and 355) - but combined all around he’s a surprisingly productive player. > > Oofa. I like Leon, but I don’t think he’ll ever get a chance to be a starting RB in the league. Not good for your second RB taken. I dont need him to become a starter, although that’d be nice. I just need him to do what he did last year, which I think is reasonable. > [@](#): > > Great pick. I look back at Donald Brown pick and wish I had taken McCoy. A bit surprised you didn’t go with LenWhale, but this is a future pick. I hate LenWhale. I also hate that unpredictability of players like him. Getting a guy who may not start for a year or two, but when he does he looks like he’ll be The Guy in a productive offense was worth the risk for me. > [@](#): > > I was laughing too. I’ve been waiting for a couple years for the Browns to dump Jamal, but still he’s there. Davis may very well become a starter in a couple years… or he may not. There are tons of carcasses of middle round draft picks/preseason star RB who never even sniffed the starting lineup. I’m afeared Davis may be the next. But, again, you need to rely on injuries to get a starting lineup of RB. If both Westbrook and Lewis break down AND Davis gets the nod for the Browns AND the Browns don’t play from behind all year, you’ll finally have a good starting lineup. Davis or Harrison will probably be starting by week 4, not years down the road. Jamal was done last year, but Crennel showed inexplicable loyalty to him. Mangini hopefully doesn’t have the same hangups. Jamal ran for 3.6 yards per carry last year, and about 2 this preseason. Done. Between Harrison and Davis someone is going to turn into my RB2/RB3 by midseason. > [@](#): > > He had one, count them one, 100 yard game and 2, count them, 2 touchdowns after starting every single game as the Dolphins #1 WR. Unless that 3rd year WR slot machine pays off for him, I fear you won’t ever start the guy. That’s true. This is a boom/bust pick. I like a talented kid who was slowed down by injury early in his career coming into his third year. > [@](#): > > I won’t go pick by pick with the rest, there’s just too much subjectivity and guesswork to decide yet. I will say that I liked the hedging your bets (Harrison to go with Davis, Bess and Camarillo to cover for Ginn), but surprised you didn’t grab Chris Brown for Slaton. I loved the Mike Bell pick. And, in my heart of hearts, I wanted Cribbs. But you spent, by my count, 4 picks on the exact same guy “Return guy who I really hope make it as a WR” (Ginn, Higgins, Cribbs, and Clowney). I think with that strategy you missed out on a fair amount of actual talent at WR, as well as any depth at TE, K, Def, RB, and QB. And if Rodgers (God forbid) goes down, you’re done. > > Just some random thoughts. Don’t take them too seriously, fuck if I know what I’m talking about. Best of luck! Return yardage is underrated. If any of those returners turn into a guy who can get 3-4 points a game from returning, and gets to be a role player who can also put up 50 rec yards a week and the occasional TD, they’re a worthy flex spot starter. Return yards are very consistent and raise the scoring floor of your player. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/9 "2009-09-10T20:38:49Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Given our scoring format, where do you think Leon Washington ranked among RBs in total points? Maybe 30th? 25th? > > Nope. 12th. > > Ahead of Marshawn Lynch, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, and Ronnie Brown. Which shows how sad rewarding for return yards is. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/10 "2009-09-10T20:52:14Z")
Jesus Christ. He’s right. Kevin Faulk is 25th! This league is going to be messy. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/11 "2009-09-10T21:02:54Z")
I was actually having a little buyer’s remorse about return yards before the draft, at least at 25 yards/point. I was going to suggest gradually lowering it over the next few years – can’t drop them all at once because some people based their draft strategies around it, but if we could go to 30 yards per point, then 35, then 40, etc. I think that might be a good plan. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/12 "2009-09-10T21:37:44Z")
I don’t know, I like them, conceptually. Leon Washington is probably the best example by far of the returner/role player. Most of the league’s returners put up maybe 70 points a year, so don’t count Leon Washington as typical. I don’t see a problem personally with having a guy who’s one of the best returners in the league, who also sees significant touches in the rushing and receiving game, being amongst the 10-15th highest scorers at his position. league. It’s really only the players who excell at returning and yet still get some production on offense who become viable flex starters, so I think you guys are overreacting. A 1200 yard return (which, IIRC would be top 10) season is worth 48 points - 3 points per week. Return yards allow the league to be deeper - third WRs and third down backs gain some small amount of value. The few players in the league who are both good returners and play a role on their offenses have their value boosted significantly. But this is fairly rare - only Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood, and Steve Breaston, and Johnny Lee Higgens fall into this category. What’s the case against return yards? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/13 "2009-09-10T21:51:23Z")
To further my point, Washington’s way above average 1534 return yards would net him 61.36 points, out of his 217.16. So return yards, even though he had 2nd most in the league, only accounted for 3.8 points per week of his scoring. I think you guys are overreacting and I’m not sure why this is undesirable. It’s not like returners are going to take over the league, it just adds value to some high end multirole players. Mark Jones, Josh Cribbs, Rock Cartwright, Glenn Holt, Andre Davis, Clifton Smith - all top 10 returners - average score for the year? 65 points, or 4.1 points per week. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/14 "2009-09-10T22:14:27Z")
I was thinking it might change players values so much that people who aren’t totally up on the league’s kick returners might be a little lost, and also that return yards they might dissuade people from paying as much attention to player development, because there’d likely be a couple of returners who could be had for free every week and give 3 points. But that’s just speculation. But you make a good case, and I can tell you from watching him every week that Leon Washington is a phenomenally useful football player, and it’s not unreasonable that he’d accumulate more FF points than a typical starter who gets fewer yards per carry, doesn’t catch a lot of balls, and doesn’t contribute on special teams. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/15 "2009-09-10T23:00:14Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I was thinking it might change players values so much that people who aren’t totally up on the league’s kick returners might be a little lost, and also that return yards I think this is actually a benefit of a modified league rather than a drawback. If someone can bring a cookie cutter cheatsheet to a draft and come away with a draft almost as good as someone who really did their research, I find that unsatisfying. I don’t advocate modifying scoring strictly as a method of weakening cookie cutter cheat sheets, but I do think one of the benefits is that people who put more thought into the draft are rewarded. And it’s not hard to figure out return yards. You just go to the [nfl.com](http://nfl.com) stat page and sort by return yards. Or go to any yahoo league you’re in that allows return yards and sort all players through last year’s stats by return yards. You may still have to check to see if the guy is going to be the team’s returner again this year - but such a basic level of research is true when you’re drafting third WRs and third down backs too. It’s just one factor I took into account when creating my pre-draft ratings. > [@](#): > > they might dissuade people from paying as much attention to player development, because there’d likely be a couple of returners who could be had for free every week and give 3 points. But that’s just speculation. I don’t know if this is really a problem - 3 points a week isn’t going to be a gamebreaker in any direction. > [@](#): > > But you make a good case, and I can tell you from watching him every week that Leon Washington is a phenomenally useful football player, and it’s not unreasonable that he’d accumulate more FF points than a typical starter who gets fewer yards per carry, doesn’t catch a lot of balls, and doesn’t contribute on special teams. I agree. Same with Cribbs this year, if he goes back to being the best returner in the league and also a productive receiver. Same with Steve Breaston who put up 1000 receiving yards and also 900 return yards. Guys where all they do is return kicks aren’t going to become valuable - Yamon Figurs was a top 15 returner and scored 42 points for the year. This just adds value to guys who are role players in their offense and also good special teamers - guys who are generally very unappreciated in fantasy leagues. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/16 "2009-09-10T23:09:28Z")
I wanted to point out too that you can’t just plug in “a returner” generically. Return yards actually drop off very quickly from the top tier on down. Only a few guys do both kick and punt returns, which is very valuable. And the only a few of them get production on regular offense to make them worth starting. The top kick returner, Darren Sproles, is at 1625 yards. The 10th is at 904. 15th, 746. It drops off quite quickly. Figuring out who will get the most return yards while still getting enough production in other areas of the game to be worth a roster spot requires some prognostication. I gave no consideration to drafting Mark Jones of Tennessee even though he’s got the 4th most return yards in the league. Johnny Lee Higgins, though, is part of the Raiders passing attack and as Jamarus Russel develops and given that the Raiders WR situation is up in the air, he may become a 3rd WR/elite kick returner type player who could be worth owning, so I drafted him. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/17 "2009-09-10T23:52:46Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I wanted to point out too that you can’t just plug in “a returner” generically. I wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with return yards counting… if there is a draft position and roster for KR/PR. The problem with this scenario is that it only benefits the guys who not just return, but also get work at WR or RB. As it is now, it simply makes RB/WR who also return kicks much more valuable than those who don’t. Which leads to travesties like Leon Washington outscoring Frank Gore, etc. Meanwhile guys like Leodis McKelvin, Josh Wilson, Demps, Rossum, get nothing because they only play defense. It makes one small subset of players (or more precisely one subset of two sets of players), those who are both RB/WR and a KR/PR, and increases their value beyond players who actually play their position. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/18 "2009-09-10T23:54:24Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This just adds value to guys who are role players in their offense and also good special teamers - guys who are generally very unappreciated in fantasy leagues. No, it just values ONE KIND of special team player, the offense/returner. It still fucks over the special teamers who actually block, or the returners who don’t play offense. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/19 "2009-09-11T00:20:59Z")
Well, sure, but fantasy doesn’t give a crap about blocking on scrimmage plays either. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515/20 "2009-09-11T00:23:27Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > No, it just values ONE KIND of special team player, the offense/returner. It still fucks over the special teamers who actually block, or the returners who don’t play offense. My God! Next you’ll tell me that fantasy football leagues don’t give points to guards for making really nice pulling blocks or for a defensive end who contains the pocket. How are “special teamers that actually block” different from offensive lineman from a fantasy football perspective, and why should returners who don’t play offense score like… returners who do play offense? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-dynasty-league-year-one/509515.md?page=2)