# SDMB Fantasy Football big league (league full) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 26, 2009, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313 "2009-07-26T11:10:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/161 "2009-09-09T17:01:37Z")
> [@Stringer](#): > > Scissor Me Timbers > QBs: 10. Marc Bulger (197), 11. Matthew Stafford (204) > Well, at least you got two “starters!” I can’t believe the Lions are starting Stafford in week 1 after everything we heard all summer about how he’s not ready. This squad could be one that gets better as the season goes on, but right now its not pretty. Rank: 5th Thanks for the write-ups, Stringer. Great jobs. Yeah - my QB situation isn’t the best. I’m also perplexed at the guys with a top 10 QB who picked up a solid backup. Points on my roster versus points on my bench was a huge priority, and a backup QB doesn’t do that. My “hope these two fall to me” wishes were continually dashed (about three times), so Bulger/Stafford it was. I don’t think they’ll be terrible - but I think I have room to upgrade them if I need to. > [@](#): > > RBs: 1. Maurice Jones-Drew (4). 3. Joseph Addai (44), 4. Leon Washington (77), 8. Carnell Williams (157), 12. Mike Bell (237), 13. Chris Brown (244) > Two starters and a sorta starter for the best RB squad in this division, mostly because I’m such a believer in Mojo having a huge year. I would have picked Donald Brown over Leon Washington personally as some Addai insurance, but Washington obviously has KR potential. Rank: 1st I mentioned it during the draft, but I absolutely cannot believe I landed Washington as my flex. It’s like seeing Adam Dunn fall to the 6th round in an OBP baseball league. With PPR \*and \*decent return yardage points, Washington is an RB2. > [@](#): > > WRs: 2. Dwayne Bowe (37), 5. Lance Moore (84), 7. Chris Chambers (124), 14. Rashied Davis (277) > Solid group here but nothing too special. I’m not a believer in Chris Chambers at all, but if he’s healthy and I think the Chargers are putting up a shitload of points this year. He might get more than I think thrown his way. Rank: 3rd Yeah, I think Chambers is shaky as well. He’ll put up numbers, but do so in bunches. That’s fine and all, but it personally drives me a bit batty. There were a few picks stolen, but that’s the price you pay. I think I was still operating on an “I don’t need late round WRs” high after Monday’s draft (CJ/Moss/Wayne). > [@](#): > > TEs: 9. Bo Scaife (164) > I’m not really sure if Bo Scaife is in the top 25 TEs this year let alone top 20. Rank: 5th I love Scaife this year. Johnson gets a lot of passes out of the backfield, but that just means Collins is actively checking his check downs. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/162 "2009-09-09T18:37:31Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > After having some time to review, I think I can say that I won the draft. > > 1. (17) Steve Slaton > 2. (24) Ronnie Brown > 3. (57) Chad Ochocinco > 4. (64) Eddie Royal > 5. (97) Rashard Mendenhall > 6. (104) Matt Cassel > 7. (137) James Davis > 8. (144) Chris Henry > 9. (177) Green Bay > 10. (184) Brent Celek > 11. (217) Devery Henderson > 12. (224) Davone Bess > 13. (257) Bernard Scott > 14. (264) Glen Coffee > 15. (297) Shayne Graham > > Most complete roster around, with lots of upside still. Only big question mark is QB. > > First impression is that division 3 may actually be the toughest division by a small margin, but I haven’t compared them in depth too much. This is a solid team, nice work. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/163 "2009-09-09T18:41:21Z")
No fair! My division is the only one that didn’t get analyzed. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/164 "2009-09-09T18:46:11Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > No fair! My division is the only one that didn’t get analyzed. ☹ If no one else gets to it today, I’ll probably do it tomorrow. Today I have too much work to do getting ready for the dynasty league (these things take up a lot of time – for me it was about two hours per division). And again, anyone who wants to take that review off of my hands should please do so. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/165 "2009-09-09T20:58:24Z")
Ok, so some general discussion about the league. First, the draft went really smoothly. We had 300 picks in about an hour and a half, which is faster than I expected. People seemed to have some clue who they wanted even deep into the draft. Good. Obviously I would’ve preferred fewer (or no) autodrafters, but in general a fun experience. I actually think we could tack on 2 rounds to the draft next year with extra bench slots - when the draft ended there were still players I wanted on my roster. Bye weeks are important in this league due to the depth. It’ll be hard to find a 1 week replacement on the free agent list like you can in a normal league, and every starting QB in the league is drafted with not enough to go around for everyone to have two - so we’re looking at the prospects of people having an empty slot at QB for some weeks. People may do a swap and swap back thing, where players are traded between people for one week and then traded back the next week. My intuitive is that this practice should be prevented, but I’m willing to discuss it. People who managed their bye weeks properly or drafted for depth should reap the reward for it. Trades should only be done as a general effort to improve one’s team, rather than as a preplanned temporary measure. What do you guys think? Another risk we run is that someone with 1 QB has their QB get injured and someone else snatches the backup off the waiver list. I guess this is just a risk we’ll have to take - and if you wanted to hedge against it you could carry your QB’s backup on your roster. If it happens anyway, you’ll have to work out a trade. I set up the league to use yahoo’s new sunday through tuesday free agent/waiver system. Normally, if a starter goes down on gameday, the person closest to their computer picks up his backup and this system is unfair. So what yahoo does is automatically place all free agents on waivers on Sunday at 1pm - so if you want a breakout player from that week, you have to put in a waiver claim with everyone else, and whoever has top priority gets it. There’s one caveat and special rule we have to use with this system, though. In the event that a player plays in a game before Sunday at 1pm (ie a Thursday night or Saturday night game), after that game has started, that player is not eligible to be picked up as a free agent. You must wait until that weekend’s sunday-thursday automatic waiver period and then put a claim in with the rest of the free agent pool. Any premature claim will be reverted. The waiver system itself is a standard system - last to draft gets first waiver priority and first to draft gets last, and as soon as anyone makes a claim they get sent to the back of the line. Any questions or concerns about the league? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/166 "2009-09-09T21:04:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Another risk we run is that someone with 1 QB has their QB get injured and someone else snatches the backup off the waiver list. I guess this is just a risk we’ll have to take - and if you wanted to hedge against it you could carry your QB’s backup on your roster. If it happens anyway, you’ll have to work out a trade. > > I set up the league to use yahoo’s new sunday through tuesday free agent/waiver system. Normally, if a starter goes down on gameday, the person closest to their computer picks up his backup and this system is unfair. So what yahoo does is automatically place all free agents on waivers on Sunday at 1pm - so if you want a breakout player from that week, you have to put in a waiver claim with everyone else, and whoever has top priority gets it. I think the first concern can be solved. Is it still too late to implement the FAAB system where you can bid on players on waivers? That would allow the guy who’s only QB goes down to invest serious cash into landing the backup, rather than rely on not having the #20 waiver slot. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/167 "2009-09-09T21:07:23Z")
Not too late, no. That’s not a bad idea either. I have it implemented in 2 other leagues and I like it. I hadn’t thought to bring up the issue in this league - but if no one objects, we can implement that quickly. The way it works is that everyone gets $100 in monopoly money for the year, and you bid on waiver claims a certain amount. It’s a silent auction. Whoever bids the most gets the player, and has the total deducted from their remaining money. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/168 "2009-09-09T21:10:19Z")
I’d be strongly opposed to back and forth swaps. We’re playing fantasy football, not trading derivatives here. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/169 "2009-09-09T21:10:55Z")
You can actually set the amount players get to start the season with to any arbitrary amount. I’m wondering if we should consider seeding by draft spot - ie, the last people to draft get a bonus in FAAB money. I’m towards the end of the draft so that may sound self serving so feel free to dismiss the idea, but this is the reason default waiver priority starts at the rear of the draft and works its way forward. Given how huge the gap in inequality between pick 1 and 20 is, I think it would be appropriate. Maybe start at $200, and deduct $5 for every draft rank from last to first? IE the 20th drafter gets $200, 19th gets $195, 18th gets $190… all the way through #2 gets $105, #1 gets 100. Too much? We could deduct by 2 or 3 instead. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/170 "2009-09-09T21:18:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You can actually set the amount players get to start the season with to any arbitrary amount. I’m wondering if we should consider seeding by draft spot - ie, the last people to draft get a bonus in FAAB money. I’m towards the end of the draft so that may sound self serving so feel free to dismiss the idea, but this is the reason default waiver priority starts at the rear of the draft and works its way forward. Given how huge the gap in inequality between pick 1 and 20 is, I think it would be appropriate. Maybe start at $200, and deduct $5 for every draft rank from last to first? IE the 20th drafter gets $200, 19th gets $195, 18th gets $190… all the way through #2 gets $105, #1 gets 100. Too much? We could deduct by 2 or 3 instead. 5 is too much. After 400 players drafted, there’s not much value on the board anymore to give one side of the league priority over another. In fact, a fantasy football value board would put picks 1-20 of Round 16 all at 0 - everyone’s a replacement level player. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/171 "2009-09-09T21:21:10Z")
Yeah, but there’s an even bigger gap in a standard sized league that the advantage an early drafter gets in the first 3 rounds, which are the most critical. Maybe $2? 20th gets $140, 19th gets $138… 2nd gets $102, 1st gets $100? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/172 "2009-09-09T22:33:03Z")
If I were to do that, I’d do $1 or $2 per slot. I’d lean toward $1. After thinking about it, I’d also be opposed to trade-backs. Some people, myself included, spent a valuable mid-round pick on a second starting QB, specifically because having two of them would be a big advantage in a league where almost half the teams can’t play matchups or count on having a fallback option in case of injury. Maybe that’s just a lack of imagination on our part, but I think it is essentially collusion, and we shouldn’t be expected to plan around that. What makes it collusion is that, of the two trades that would be involved in this practice, taken individually, only the first represents a good faith effort by both managers to improve their teams. For example, say that Team X has one QB who’s coming up on a bye. He trades me a good starting RB for Jason Campbell, with the understanding that we’ll trade back after one week. That trade passes theoretical muster: in the short term, Team X needs my mediocre QB more than it needs its above average RB. The problem comes in the second trade, where I have no reason to trade the RB for Campbell except for our prior agreement to do so. That sort of thing just isn’t done in fantasy football. > [@Munch](#): > > In fact, a fantasy football value board would put picks 1-20 of Round 16 all at 0 - everyone’s a replacement level player. But that’s just because most drafts end after Round 15 or 16 – replacement level is relative. If our draft went into Round 18 and we were to construct a pick value chart, the picks in the last few rounds would have non-zero value. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/173 "2009-09-09T22:57:02Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > If I were to do that, I’d do $1 or $2 per slot. I’d lean toward $1. > > After thinking about it, I’d also be opposed to trade-backs. Some people, myself included, spent a valuable mid-round pick on a second starting QB, specifically because having two of them would be a big advantage in a league where almost half the teams can’t play matchups or count on having a fallback option in case of injury. > > Maybe that’s just a lack of imagination on our part, but I think it is essentially collusion, and we shouldn’t be expected to plan around that. What makes it collusion is that, of the two trades that would be involved in this practice, taken individually, only the first represents a good faith effort by both managers to improve their teams. For example, say that Team X has one QB who’s coming up on a bye. He trades me a good starting RB for Jason Campbell, with the understanding that we’ll trade back after one week. That trade passes theoretical muster: in the short term, Team X needs my mediocre QB more than it needs its above average RB. The problem comes in the second trade, where I have no reason to trade the RB for Campbell except for our prior agreement to do so. That sort of thing just isn’t done in fantasy football. I agree with both of these, and I’m one of the guys with only 1 QB. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/174 "2009-09-09T22:58:02Z")
I’m completely indifferent as to the actual dollar amount for waivers. Allowing trade backs defeats the purpose of trying to plan a draft strategy for a deep league. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/175 "2009-09-09T23:12:14Z")
Another vote against tradebacks. Folks that did not draft a backup QB chose to use that value elsewhere on their roster, just as others chose to make the investment in carrying a second QB. I don’t really have a preference for how the waiver wire will be setup. Whatever y’all decide is fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/176 "2009-09-10T13:47:17Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > **Division 4: Too Many Giants Fans** > > **Court Jesters** > > QB: 10. (185) Pat White, 14. (265) Tyler Thigpen > Dude, what happened? You don’t have a starting Quarterback. This is not good. You drafted a Kicker in the 9th Round (and another in the 13th, by the way), but no QB with a starting job. When you drafted White, there were still at least two starters available (Bulger, Russell). I’d say this was some sort of autodraft snafu, but the autodrafter would never take a kicker before a QB . . . would it? **Rank: 23rd out of 5** Just got a chance to log in this morning…I missed the draft, so I ended up with I don’t know what at QB and two kickers. Not pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/177 "2009-09-10T13:55:53Z")
So do we have a list of team names to go with their SDMB identities? I’d like to send out a few trade offers, but can’t log into the site while at work. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/178 "2009-09-10T19:10:44Z")
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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/179 "2009-09-10T19:15:33Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > If I were to do that, I’d do $1 or $2 per slot. I’d lean toward $1. If we do $1.5 and round up, it would look like this: 1. 100 2. 102 3. 103 4. 105 5. 106 6. 108 7. 109 8. 111 9. 112 10. 114 11. 115 12. 117 13. 118 14. 120 15. 121 16. 123 17. 124 18. 126 19. 127 20. 129 I I prefer the way that it works out with $2. I think drafting early in this draft as opposed to later was a significant advantage - the options you had at #1 or #4 are so much better than the options you had at #16 or #20 (as compared to the advantage #21/25 had over #37/40) - the serpentine doesn’t offset it all that well. Which is why waiver priority is set in reverse drafting order by default. I think having a higher waiver priority translates in value to over a little more than 1.5% per pick. But this is just my guess, and it’s subjective. And I benefit from a higher scaling so while I’m trying to remain neutral I do have a self interest in it. $1.5 might be a decent compromise, if inelegant. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313/180 "2009-09-10T19:30:28Z")
I’m looking for an upgrade at WR. I have 4 starting RBs this week, and can clearly only go with 3 (poor me…). I’m really only looking to trade away an RB (Bell or Cadillac) for a dependable WR. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-big-league-league-full/504313.md?page=10)