# SDMB Fantasy Football DYNASTY League: Year 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [July 16, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055 "2022-07-16T17:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/381 "2022-09-04T22:50:06Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Or, as I thought it worked, I traded two players to Mundi, and kept 21 players. Mundi received 2 players, and kept 20. Then, the draft picks are assigned, and my 4 picks are 1.1 and my regular ones. And Mundi’s are Mundi’s. Thats how I thought trading future picks worked. This seems reasonable. The only stumbling block in your description is that you made the trade for pick 1.01 before the draft picks were created. But as you point out, that is also what happens when we trade future picks. Hmmm… So in this situation that you thought was happening, the draft picks would have been created as follows: Spiritus: 1.01, 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01 Hamlet: 1.11, 2.11, 3.11, 4.11 But then what happens? You get 1.01 and make five picks? Or does your pick 4.11 go to Spiritus? I don’t see how it works. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2022, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/382 "2022-09-04T23:06:36Z")
Sorry, I’m back. Going to work on figuring out my draft pick before I double check that everything is correct with the draft process, but Jules generally understands the draft procedures we’ve worked out better than I remember, so he’s probably correct. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/383 "2022-09-05T00:44:35Z")
I came in to draft Shakir because I had looked at our last updated list and he wasn’t on there, but I forgot to check the few picks made since the last time the list was updated and Omni grabbed him. So, instead, I’ll double down on the notoriously difficult Pats backfield 4.01 Mundi - Tyrion Davis-Price, RB, SF 4.02 Ellis - Ty Chandler, RB, Min 4.03 Justin - Greg Dulcich, TE, DEN 4.04 Omni - Khalil Shakir, WR, BUF 4.06 Beef - Pierre Strong Jr, RB, NE 4.08 Peteys - 4.10 RNATB - 5.01 Mundi - 5.02 Jules - 5.03 Peteys - 5.04 Omni - 5.06 dale - 5.10 RNATB - 6.01 Mundi - 6.04 Omni - 7.01 Hamlet - @PeteyPart2 is up ---
**Author:** ![PeteyPart2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/0ea827/32.png) [@PeteyPart2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeteyPart2)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/384 "2022-09-05T00:48:38Z")
I can’t believe I’m doing this and I will probably regret it. 4.08 Sammy Watkins, WR, GB ---
**Author:** ![PeteyPart2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/0ea827/32.png) [@PeteyPart2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeteyPart2)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/385 "2022-09-05T00:48:58Z")
@Really_Not_All_That_Bright is up ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/386 "2022-09-05T03:16:43Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > So in this situation that you thought was happening, the draft picks would have been created as follows: > > Spiritus: 1.01, 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01 > Hamlet: 1.11, 2.11, 3.11, 4.11 > > But then what happens? You get 1.01 and make five picks? Or does your pick 4.11 go to Spiritus? I don’t see how it works. Simple. Spiritus traded 1.01 to me, so I get that pick. Once I get that pick, I no longer am entitled to 4.11, because that would put me over the roster limit. So 4.11 disappears into the aether, and 4.10 moves directly to 5.01. Done and done. It seems a cleaner, more realistic scenario than turning pick 3.11 into 7.01. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/387 "2022-09-05T03:19:54Z")
> [@PeteyPart2](#): > > I can’t believe I’m doing this and I will probably regret it. > > 4.08 Sammy Watkins, WR, GB C’mon. Sammy Watkins has disappointed Bills, Rams, Chiefs, Ravens, and 75% of fantasy players. What makes you so special? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/388 "2022-09-05T04:06:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Simple. Spiritus traded 1.01 to me, so I get that pick. Once I get that pick, I okno longer am entitled to 4.11, because that would put me over the roster limit. So 4.11 disappears into the aether, and 4.10 moves directly to 5.01. Done and done. It seems a cleaner, more realistic scenario than turning pick 3.11 into 7.01. Could you enumerate all nine picks? I’m having trouble with the specifics. The way draft picks normally work would be: Spiritus: 1.01, 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01 Hamlet: 1.11, 2.11, 3.11, 4.11 Could you list out all nine picks like how you thought it worked? I am unable to figure out how Spiritus would draft his fifth player. Hamlet: 1.01, 1.11, 2.11, 3.11 Spiritus: 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01, ??? What is Mundi’s fifth pick? 4.11, the one that vanished? ---
**Author:** ![PeteyPart2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/0ea827/32.png) [@PeteyPart2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeteyPart2)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/389 "2022-09-05T04:13:41Z")
Add me to the list of disappointed people as I will (probably) be disappointed with Sammy Watkins. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/390 "2022-09-05T06:13:02Z")
In case anyone is interested in joining we’ve got the [pick 'em and survival leagues](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues-2022). ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/391 "2022-09-05T07:23:10Z")
Personally, I’ve never been much of a fan of the “last pick” system either. If it were up to me, everyone would get a pick in every round, but only the number of picks needed to get you to 25 would be “active”. So by starting the draft at 20, I would have gotten picks 1.03, 2.03, 3.03, 4.03, and 5.03. Trading for pick 1.08 would have made 5.03 disappear because i don’t need it. But now Peteys needs an extra pick, so his 5.08 would become “active”. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/392 "2022-09-05T12:32:55Z")
I don’t think it really has anything to do with the last pick situation. The crux of the biscuit is that Hamlet was hoping his cuts would generate two first round picks for him. That’s just not how it works. Logistically it can’t work that way, as in it just plain doesn’t work, as seen in my enumerations above. The bookkeeping falls apart. Also, what you describe is in fact how it works if you’re trading players. The problem arises when you start trading for picks; you can’t trade for someone else’s draft picks before generating your own. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. The simplest way I can put it is this: Hamlet listed 23 players to keep. How many draft picks does that mean he gets? (Read as: How many ?.11 picks does that create? The correct answer is two.) Note that what you propose still doesn’t work for Hamlet’s situation. There is no coherent mechanism that would allow Hamlet’s cuts to generate pick 1.01. That pick can only be generated by Mundi’s cuts. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/393 "2022-09-05T13:19:54Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Could you list out all nine picks like how you thought it worked? I am unable to figure out how Spiritus would draft his fifth player. > > Hamlet: 1.01, 1.11, 2.11, 3.11 > Spiritus: 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01, ??? > > What is Mundi’s fifth pick? 4.11, the one that vanished? Like in my live keeper draft, anyone without a complete roster when the draft is done gets a pick then. Its not rocket science or a metaphysical discussion about whether a draft pick can create a player so large it can’t lift it. ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/394 "2022-09-05T13:30:53Z")
The answer is obviously yes, and it is Joshua Caleb Gordon. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/395 "2022-09-05T14:39:18Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Like in my live keeper draft, anyone without a complete roster when the draft is done gets a pick then. That seems pretty clearly wrong on its face to me: Hamlet: 1.01, 1.11, 2.11, 3.11 Spiritus: 2.01, 3.01, 4.01, 5.01, 7.01 Does that really look reasonable to you? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/396 "2022-09-05T14:46:48Z")
Mine is fine. Giving the guy who traded his pick the chance to jump in front of other drafters (for example, if you gave him 6.01) for that missing pick seems unfair. Give him one at the end seems fine. Not sure why it seems unreasonable to you. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/397 "2022-09-05T15:01:43Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Giving the guy who traded his pick the chance to jump in front of other drafters (for example, if you gave him 6.01) for that missing pick seems unfair. Give him one at the end seems fine. You kept 23 guys, which means you get two draft picks. Let’s say for argument’s sake we go with 1.01 and 1.11. By the quoted logic, shouldn’t your other two picks you need to fill out your roster come at the end of the draft? Meaning your four picks would be 1.01, 1.11, 7.11, 8.11. Why do your needed picks generate proper rounds while Mundi’s needed picks are tacked onto the end of the draft? What is different about his? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/398 "2022-09-05T15:17:35Z")
> [@"EllisDee](#): > > You kept 23 guys, which means you get two draft picks. No. After the trade, I kept 21 guys. 4 draft picks. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/399 "2022-09-05T15:19:35Z")
After the trade, he kept 20 guys. 5 draft picks. What’s different? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055/400 "2022-09-05T15:22:04Z")
If his roster is complete, then nothing. If its not complete, then he gets a pick at the end of the draft to get to the full roster. Am I missing something? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-14/968055.md?page=21)