# SDMB Fantasy Football DYNASTY League: Year 17 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [August 7, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819 "2025-08-07T16:49:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/41 "2025-08-13T03:05:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > You mean other than the fact that you need a willing trade partner? Have you tried? What was the last trade offer you sent for a defense that was rejected? What did you offer, and roughly how good was the defense you were trying to acquire? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/42 "2025-08-13T03:09:55Z")
### **Omni’s Ides of Martz Roster (tentative)** **QB (3)** - Caleb Williams - Jayden Daniels - Justin Fields **RB (2)** - Travis Etienne Jr - Isaac Guerendo - ~~Khalil Herbert~~ - ~~Pierre Strong Jr.~~ - ~~Kendre Miller~~ **WR (7)** - Marvin Harison Jr. - Darnell Mooney - Ricky Pearsall - Khalil Shakir - Alec Pierce - Andrei Iosivas - Jalen Coker - ~~Javon Baker~~ - ~~Cedric Tillman~~ - ~~Jonathan Mingo~~ **TE (3)** - Chig Okonkwo - Cole Kmet - Jake Ferguson - ~~Ben Sinnott~~ **K (1)** - Jake Elliott - ~~Jake Moody~~ **DEF (2)** - Kansas City - Las Vegas I think drafting 2 QBs last year was the right strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/43 "2025-08-13T03:13:52Z")
I don’t know what point you’re making. It’s not germane. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/44 "2025-08-13T03:15:26Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I think drafting 2 QBs last year was the right strategy. 100%. I liked it a lot at the time and like it even more now. Meanwhile, my guy that I traded for (Jordan Love, instead of drafting Daniels) promptly became an injury case as soon as I acquired him. Now apparently he has a thumb. _\*sigh\*_ It feels like whoever I was going to acquire was going to be cursed. In hindsight, I should have cursed Daniels since he’s in the NFC East. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/45 "2025-08-13T03:17:05Z")
Don’t worry, I’m fully expecting Daniels to go full RG3 this year. If I’m lucky it’ll just be a CJ Stroud level fall off. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/46 "2025-08-13T03:17:16Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I don’t know what point you’re making. It’s not germane. You seem to be saying that you can’t trade for a defense because nobody is willing to trade you one. But if you haven’t tried, then that’s disingenuous at best. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/47 "2025-08-13T03:19:34Z")
No I’m not, you brought up trades, not me. I’m saying they don’t make more defenses. Unlike every other position there is no incoming rookie defense to draft. There’s no backup defenses. There’s no retiring defenses. They are fundamentally different than every other position in a Dynasty format. Whether you can or cannot trade for one is not relevant to the argument. Performing a trade does not fix the fundamental problem. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/48 "2025-08-13T03:21:31Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Performing a trade does not fix the fundamental problem. Yes, it does. It feels like you want the advantage of being able to stream without having to pay the cost of spending roster spots on them. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/49 "2025-08-13T03:31:42Z")
I actually don’t want to stream. What I’d want is there to be some nominal turnover on rosters. At the end of last season there was exactly one defense on the waiver wire, that’s silly. If you did some analysis I bet you’d find that most teams have had the exact same defenses on their roster for 5 or more seasons. If we want to let people retain the ability to roster 4 or more defenses (which right now is just you) we could do that simply by forcing teams to redraft defenses. Everyone would have the option to play that strategy every year if they are willing to forego a rookie pick or two. Or, as Beef described above, we could cap it at 2 and always have 8 defenses on the waiver wire that teams could fight to pick up every week (which I think makes this more fun). What’s not fun is this gridlock we see right now. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/50 "2025-08-13T03:51:39Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Or, as Beef described above, we could cap it at 2 and always have 8 defenses on the waiver wire that teams could fight to pick up every week (which I think makes this more fun). You say you don’t want to stream defenses, but this right here sounds like you do want to stream defenses. > [@](#): > > What’s not fun is this gridlock we see right now. It’s not gridlock, though. You can trade for defenses. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/51 "2025-08-13T05:32:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > You can trade for defenses. I’m going to drop this because this is some Rain Man shit, but about half the league has 2 defenses and there’s nothing on the waiver wire. What would you need to offer another manager in trade to get them to drop down to 1 defense? They’d have to have an empty roster spot on bye weeks and would have to seriously consider benching their defense several other weeks to avoid negative points. There’s a better than average chance that that liability could last for YEARS if no one drops a playable defense. Would it take 2 or 3 studs to offset that, more? It only takes a little critical analysis to see that this is a ridiculous “solution”. I get it, you feel like you have the market cornered on defenses. Just admit that you want to retain your advanatge and stop with the nonsensical arguments. > [@EllisDee](#): > > It’s not gridlock, though. You know a traffic jam is only really gridlock if you’re unwilling to smash your car into other cars like a demolition derby… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/52 "2025-08-13T05:35:02Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m going to drop this because this is some Rain Man shit, but about half the league has 2 defenses and there’s nothing on the waiver wire. What would you need to offer another manager in trade to get them to drop down to 1 defense? What about the half of the league with 3+ defenses? Wouldn’t it make more sense to try and trade with one of them? You seem really hung up on the fact that I have four defenses. Why haven’t you ever tried to trade for one of mine? It just seems like you’re proposing a solution in search of a problem. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/53 "2025-08-13T05:47:19Z")
I had Gronk and Jimmy Graham the year (2012?) they were both breaking the all time TE records every week. But even then as TEs I don’t think they were ranked as top 5 (or even top 15) overall dynasty fantasy assets. I’m not talking about players finishing in the top 5 in their positions, but rather what expert pro rankings considered the top dynasty assets [on a list like this](https://sports.yahoo.com/article/fantasy-football-dynasty-rankings-2025-231543568.html). I don’t recall ever having blue chip star dynasty players like that. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/54 "2025-08-13T05:48:30Z")
When I originally responded to the poll and proposed the change I actually had no idea anyone had 4 defenses. I only realized you had 4 when you became the vocal opposition. The original poll proposed removing defenses or changing the scoring so that owners could avoid punative negative points (neither proposal came from me). In my view, that’s a symptom, not the disease. Teams are especially afraid of negative points specifically because there’s no possibility of changing defenses mid-season to avoid it. When 2 of the 4 rule changes are about managing the pitfalls of defenses in this league it’s probably worth taking a deeper look. My roster is a dumpster fire, I have bigger things to worry about than defenses. I simply offered a solution to a problem. You’re making this whole thing weird. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/55 "2025-08-13T05:52:29Z")
I don’t remember anything that far back, but I’d have to think that Gronk must have been a top 5 asset. TE scaricty has always been a thing and he had Brady and Belichick. Dude was putting up Jerry Rice like TD numbers. If he wasn’t a top Dynasty asset, the formulas are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/56 "2025-08-13T07:01:42Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The original poll proposed removing defenses or changing the scoring so that owners could avoid punative negative points (neither proposal came from me). In my view, that’s a symptom, not the disease. I disagree. The punitive negative points are pretty much entirely because we jacked up the defensive scoring values to make defenses more meaningful. Reverting defensive scoring to Yahoo defaults would solve this specific issue much more elegantly than an artificial limit on how many defenses you can roster. Having more defenses to choose from would not prevent negative scores. > [@Omniscient](#): > > What I’d want is there to be some nominal turnover on rosters. At the end of last season there was exactly one defense on the waiver wire, that’s silly. If you did some analysis I bet you’d find that most teams have had the exact same defenses on their roster for 5 or more seasons. You get that this is a dynasty league, right? Roster turnover is pretty much the antithesis of what it’s all about. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/57 "2025-08-14T22:36:10Z")
I finally have time to vote on the proposals, though I’m not sure my vote will matter much for consensus. **Proposal 1: Remove the D/ST position, replace with bench slot** No. Defense is a position and it feels wrong to eliminate it. **Proposal 2: Remove kicker position, replace with bench slot** No. Kicker is a position and it feels wrong to eliminate it. **Proposal 3: Rework defensive scoring to eliminate or reduce the possibility of negative scores** Yes. I think going back to Yahoo default would work well. **Proposal 4: The top seed can pick their opponent for the semi-final game** No. I agree with Spiritus: “Ducking an opponent in round 1 in hopes that they stumble and you won’t have to face them is not the mark of a champion.” ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2025, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/58 "2025-08-15T02:55:44Z")
I’m looking to move on from some high performing veterans, so if you’re keen on making a run at the championship, I’m your guy. Making available Tyreek Hill, Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, and possibly Derrick Henry. Looking for picks in the early/mid 2nd round, but might need a slight bit more for Tyreek and Derrick Henry since Henry will truck people until he is 40. ---
**Author:** ![PeteyPart2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/0ea827/32.png) [@PeteyPart2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PeteyPart2)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/59 "2025-08-18T02:56:37Z")
Here are my roster cuts since I will most likely be indisposed this week: Russell Wilson Noah Fant MVS Adam Thielen AJ Dillon Sincere McCormick Tyler Higbee 7 cuts minus 2 IR spots from last year means 5 picks for the draft. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819/60 "2025-08-18T18:16:33Z")
**QB** Dak Prescott Anthony Richardson Sr. ~~Jameis Winston~~ ~~Cooper Rush~~ **RB** Christian McCaffrey Derrick Henry Bucky Irving Alvin Kamara Tyrone Tracy Jr. Tyjae Spears ~~Kareem Hunt~~ ~~Audric Estime~~ **WR** Tyreek Hill A.J. Brown Jaxon Smith-Njigba Devonta Smith Cooper Kupp Elijah Moore Troy Franklin ~~Ja’Lynn Polk~~ ~~Jermaine Burton~~ **TE** ~~Brock Bowers~~ (Just kidding) **K** Jason Saunders **Def** Philadelphia Green Bay ~~Cincinnati~~ Seven cuts, one IR from last year, makes six picks. No difficult cuts, which is both good and bad. After four straight years of having the best team in the history of the league and winning nothing, I’m kicking off a rebuild. I got lucky that Bucky Irving was a hit, and Tyrone Tracy looks like a hit, because that makes the rebuild much quicker. I already had a couple young WRs stashed, but I’m really surprised none of the WR picks from last year worked out. Well, Troy Franklin looks incredible in preseason, but that is meaningless. Then again, they were all taken from the 3rd round on, so that was a big ask to begin with. Last year was the first season in the history of the league with no in-season trades from anyone. That is a bad sign for the longevity of the league. But I was heartened to see some interest in my fire sale. I still have veterans up for trade who are projected to be top-12 to top-24 at their position this year. If you want to try to win this year, I can help [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-fantasy-football-dynasty-league-year-17/1021819.md?page=4)