# SDMB FF Dynasty League: Year Four **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 15, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336 "2012-07-15T20:03:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/401 "2012-10-05T12:03:14Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Woo, last day defense pickup, 23 points. I don’t even have to ask who you are playing this week. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/402 "2012-10-08T04:21:07Z")
165, sons. Highest Score this season. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/403 "2012-10-08T13:40:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 165, sons. Highest Score this season. I think you’re going to hold that record for exactly 24 hours after Arian Foster puts up 30 for Stringer tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/404 "2012-10-08T14:06:31Z")
And another typical week for me. Put up some nice points (despite losing my QB to injury and having Peterson gimpy all game) and end up losing to the high score. Add in my loss by .3 points in the auction league, the injury to Danny Amendola, and the Packer loss and I’m back to dreading every weekend and wondering just how Lady Luck is planning on kicking my ass next week. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/405 "2012-10-08T19:46:43Z")
I can’t believe I’ve still got my head above water despite my preposterous RB situation. My average total, per-game points from the RB position is less than 8.6 (including a -1.5 in a Week 3 victory). In fact, if I could’ve found just 3 extra points in Week 2, I’d be 4-1 right now… ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/406 "2012-10-08T20:25:51Z")
Ugh! The curse of the bye week kickers hits me again this week. Every year, I screw up in one league and forget a bye week for a kicker or d/st. A few K points and I could have won this week. Naturally, none of the Monday night guys are on waivers ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/407 "2012-10-09T02:40:00Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > 165, sons. Highest Score this season. Real top scorer checking in. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/408 "2012-10-09T07:59:04Z")
Not to complain too much since my team is so bad, but the Jets defense tonight: ## 23 points allowed 1 interception 1 kickoff return for a TD 0.00 fantasy points Doesn’t seem right to me. I needed 6 points to win with only the Jets defense to play. Seems like that should be sufficient for 6 points. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/409 "2012-10-09T12:00:19Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Not to complain too much since my team is so bad, but the Jets defense tonight: > > ## 23 points allowed 1 interception 1 kickoff return for a TD > > 0.00 fantasy points > > Doesn’t seem right to me. I needed 6 points to win with only the Jets defense to play. Seems like that should be sufficient for 6 points. According to our scoring page, int’s are worth 2, TD’s are 6, and 23 points allowed is worth 0, so you should be sitting at 8 rather than 0. I don’t know if you’re missing stats or if it’s yahoo, but it’s worth a closer look. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/410 "2012-10-09T12:08:05Z")
After some early struggles, I’m, once again, happy to announce I’m back to getting fucked over. For awhile there, I had some competition for the #1 points against, but after this week, I have that! Not that it’s been easy. Nope. For example, this week, I only had the third highest score for the week, but I was fortunate enough to get the loss anyway. And overall, I have the second most points for in the league, and … a losing record. I love it when a plan comes together. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/411 "2012-10-09T12:21:47Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > According to our scoring page, int’s are worth 2, TD’s are 6, and 23 points allowed is worth 0, so you should be sitting at 8 rather than 0. I don’t know if you’re missing stats or if it’s yahoo, but it’s worth a closer look. Yahoo updated to 2 points. It would appear that we turned off kick returns from counting for DEF/ST, for some inexplicable reason. Have to say, not a fan. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/412 "2012-10-09T12:25:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > According to our scoring page, int’s are worth 2, TD’s are 6, and 23 points allowed is worth 0, so you should be sitting at 8 rather than 0. I don’t know if you’re missing stats or if it’s yahoo, but it’s worth a closer look. Kickoff return TDs don’t count for the defense, they count for the kickoff returner only. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/413 "2012-10-09T13:02:15Z")
Return TDs have never counted for the D/ST [but I argued last year that they should be included](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14262551#post14262551). We keep forgetting to discuss this prior to the year starting but I’m still in favor of changing it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/414 "2012-10-09T13:21:36Z")
> [@Stringer](#): > > Return TDs have never counted for the D/ST [but I argued last year that they should be included](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14262551#post14262551). We keep forgetting to discuss this prior to the year starting but I’m still in favor of changing it. I’m all for it too. I had actually thought it was that way already. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/415 "2012-10-09T13:31:41Z")
As did I. It makes no sense not to count them if we penalize defenses for letting up field goals and extra points by increasing their PA. Either special teams should be included or not. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/416 "2012-10-09T13:37:45Z")
Count me in as another who thought we counted those. In other news, I am out of the basement, thanks to… [QUOTE=Yahoo! recap] Robert Meachem led the team in scoring and exceeded his scoring projection by 241.8%, which ranked 10th in the league. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/417 "2012-10-10T01:24:55Z")
Please do remember (someone) to bring this up next offseason so we can discuss it. I’m sorry that this facet of the scoring wasn’t made apparent to everyone – I never realized that some folks weren’t aware. It was a conscious choice, originally (as least on my part). It just seems supremely bizarre to me to mash these two, totally unrelated things together _and double-count return TDs in the process_, especially when no one drafts DEFs with ST-Ret TDs in mind (so they’re basically just noise). > [@EllisDee](#): > > It makes no sense not to count them if we penalize defenses for letting up field goals and extra points by increasing their PA. Either special teams should be included or not. They’re not included. PAT attempts are entirely a function of having allowed the offense to score a TD. Aside from ultra-rare blocked kicks, FGs are almost entirely a function of having allowed the offense to get into FG range. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/418 "2012-10-10T14:06:54Z")
Double count return TDs in what way? I don’t understand your point. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > They’re not included. PAT attempts are entirely a function of having allowed the offense to score a TD. Aside from ultra-rare blocked kicks, FGs are almost entirely a function of having allowed the offense to get into FG range. Simply not true. As an example, your defense loses credit on a shut-out if the only score let up is an int return for a TD. The defense gets the extra point hung on them, for a points allowed of 1. The defense also gets credited with blocked field goals. In what universe is that defense and not special teams? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/419 "2012-10-10T14:21:11Z")
Double count as in for the returner _and_ for the D/ST, I assume. I don’t see why that’s a problem, though; passing touchdowns count for the QB and the receiver. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336/420 "2012-10-10T14:50:20Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Double count return TDs in what way? If return TDs are counted for DEFs, then when Devin Hester returns a punt for a TD, both he \*and \*the Chicago defense get 6 points for it, thus that lone TD adds 12 points to our league’s scoring total instead of 6. Yeah, yeah, we sort of double count passing TDs as well, but that’s just how it is on the box score – there are two TDs to go around, one passing and one receiving – and besides, two players really did score that TD for all intents and purposes. On a return TD (not counting some kind of Stanford Band wackiness), it’s just Devin Hester and a bunch of blockers, and blockers don’t get their own fantasy points. > [@](#): > > Simply not true. As an example, your defense loses credit on a shut-out if the only score let up is an int return for a TD. The defense gets the extra point hung on them, for a points allowed of 1. True, they get the extra point hung on them – which is stupid, and we can’t do anything about it – but that affects a very small number of games in a given year. > [@](#): > > The defense also gets credited with blocked field goals. In what universe is that defense and not special teams? True, I’d forgotten about that, but blocked kicks sure do \*feel \*like defense to me, subjectively. They’re basically just sending out a bunch of extra D-Linemen and Linebackers so that they can do what they normally do (rush the line of scrimmage) against slightly different personnel on the other side of the ball, for the direct purpose of preventing points. Feels pretty “defense-y” to me, so it doesn’t set off my Weird Alarm. Kick Returns are just a whole other universe: mostly offensive personnel, performing a fundamentally offense-oriented function (matriculating the ball down the field), to the direct benefit of the offense. What the heck does that have to do with the Defense? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-four/628336.md?page=22)