# SDMB FF Dynasty League: Year Two **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 1, 2010, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181 "2010-07-01T12:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/401 "2010-10-07T18:13:45Z")
Well, you’re trading him to _me_, so he’ll be a beast for a game and a half and promptly tear an ACL. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/402 "2010-10-09T13:52:27Z")
\*\*RNATB \*\*sends BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Fred Taylor (i.e. the Patriots’ RB committee) to \*\*dalej42 \*\*(Warner’s Brothers) in exchange for Anquan Boldin. By the way, I think it’s a good idea to try and post every trade that gets done in the thread so we have a record of it. If nothing else, it should be fun to look back 2 or 3 years later and judge who got the better end. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/403 "2010-10-09T14:06:14Z")
I didn’t like doing this trade, but I’m desperate at RB and I already have Andre Johnson at WR. Boldin is due for his annual midseason injury. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/404 "2010-10-09T14:22:35Z")
That is… very bad IMO. No NE RB is ever going to be anywhere as reliable or good as Boldin. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/405 "2010-10-09T14:45:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That is… very bad IMO. No NE RB is ever going to be anywhere as reliable or good as Boldin. I made an audible “ugh” noise when I saw this trade in my email. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/406 "2010-10-09T15:01:11Z")
I’m going to make sure I have plenty of coffee before next year’s draft so I don’t sleep through it! I’m much stronger at WR, and I know that New England RBs are always plug in and pray, but if Wells gets hurt again, I’m screwed at that position. My RBs: Beanie Wells Ricky Williams Maurice Morris LaRod Stephens-Howling James Davis Dimitri Nance My WRs: Andre Johnson Anquan Boldin Santana Moss Devery Henderson Steve Breaston Patrick Crayton Justin Gage ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/407 "2010-10-09T15:13:14Z")
I think you might’ve been able to land an RB in the Forte/Bradshaw/Addai/Thomas type range - conservatively - for a top 5 WR. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/408 "2010-10-09T15:19:24Z")
The Patriots are gonna draft a running back next year though. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/409 "2010-10-09T15:55:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think you might’ve been able to land an RB in the Forte/Bradshaw/Addai/Thomas type range - conservatively - for a top 5 WR. In fairness, I think “top 5 WR” is really pushing it. He’s off to a good start this year, of course, but he’s gonna come back to the pack a bit; he’s still on a team with a good defense and a (relatively) run-first offense, which means Baltimore isn’t going to be in a lot of high scoring shootouts. Since 2005, his fantasy ranks at his positions have been: 8th, 17th, 19th, 7th, 23rd. So, “top 20 WR” is probably more accurate, and looking long term he’s 30 years old, so it’s not like he has a whole lot of time before that becomes “top 30 WR,” and then “top 45 WR,” etc. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/410 "2010-10-09T17:53:02Z")
Yeah, I’ve always valued Boldin much more highly than most people. I think he was always the better of the two Cardinals receivers, believe it or not; it was just injuries that held him back. Even that was hardly a knock on him, though, because they’re always different injuries, like the facial fractures he suffered in '08. I was… surprised to see the trade accepted. Not that I don’t think the Law Firm and Fragile Fred are worth as much; it’s just that their value is greater on paper than IRL, because you never know who will get the carries in New England. On the other hand, the Maroney trade, Fred’s nagging hamstring pull and especially the Randy Moss trade might make BJGE a fantasy star this year. Danny Woodhead isn’t a threat to steal carries; he’s Kevin Faulk’s replacement. ETA: Basically, I looked at Dale’s running backs and threw up in my mouth a little bit, and realized that this is a guy who’ll be willing to give up some extra value for help at the position. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/411 "2010-10-09T18:16:04Z")
One other thing I considered was that I can easily see that if Wells gets hurt again and the Cardinals are in last place, he could easily end up on IR if the Cards are playing for next year. Plus, with no Moss and all of NE’s December/January games in cold weather cities, they’ll be running the ball a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/412 "2010-10-10T06:22:33Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > I think you might’ve been able to land an RB in the Forte/Bradshaw/Addai/Thomas type range - conservatively - for a top 5 WR. > > In fairness, I think “top 5 WR” is really pushing it. He’s off to a good start this year, of course, but he’s gonna come back to the pack a bit; he’s still on a team with a good defense and a (relatively) run-first offense, which means Baltimore isn’t going to be in a lot of high scoring shootouts. Since 2005, his fantasy ranks at his positions have been: 8th, 17th, 19th, 7th, 23rd. So, “top 20 WR” is probably more accurate, and looking long term he’s 30 years old, so it’s not like he has a whole lot of time before that becomes “top 30 WR,” and then “top 45 WR,” etc. Those numbers are somewhat deceptive due to all his time missing from injuries. He’s been a top 5 WR from points per game pretty much his whole career. Which is better than just being the 17th ranked WR or whatever - if a guy puts up 20 points per game but is injured half the season, that’s better than a guy who puts up 10 points per game for the whole season. With Boldin, if you can start him, you’re getting very good performance, and if you can’t, well, you’ll be starting someone else anyway. So I feel like using his raw production numbers is misleading. There’s no guarantee he’ll be injured this year - he has had a lot of injuries, but rarely the same injuries, and rarely the lingering types. He is 30, true, but receivers can play at a high level until at least 33. Especially guys like him who work more on strength/size/body control than being a burner. Looking at the dynasty angle, what are the chances Green-Ellis is going to be the Pats started next year or two years down the road? Boldin is pretty much guaranteed to be a productive receiver for someone. I don’t see any part of this that isn’t highly unfavorable to Dale. I realize there’s a level of desperation, but certainly Boldin could’ve been shopped around and gotten something better. He didn’t even post to the thread he was interested in moving Boldin IIRC. I don’t intend to object to pretty much any trades made in any SDMB leagues - people are honestly trying to improve their team and play ethically - but this would be the sort of thing you could make a case for if you were so inclined. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/413 "2010-10-10T13:11:29Z")
Fair point about picking up points from plug-ins when/if he’s injured, but health is a skill, and it’s not like injuries are the only reason he hasn’t been a top 5 fantasy WR – in '06 he played 16 games and was 17th, last season he played 15 games and was 23rd. Anyway, I’m probably more down on him than most, but in that offense I’d be mildly surprised if he got to 1,200 yards. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/414 "2010-10-10T16:15:42Z")
He wasn’t shopping Boldin. I offered the trade to him, not vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/415 "2010-10-10T16:38:02Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Fair point about picking up points from plug-ins when/if he’s injured, but health is a skill, and it’s not like injuries are the only reason he hasn’t been a top 5 fantasy WR – in '06 he played 16 games and was 17th, last season he played 15 games and was 23rd. Anyway, I’m probably more down on him than most, but in that offense I’d be mildly surprised if he got to 1,200 yards. Well, I did overstate it by calling him top 5 (although currently he is) but even so, does the trade look reasonable from either a short term or dynastic perspective? I want to start Lance Moore, but I’m having trouble deciding to sit Braylon Edwards, Randy Moss, Josh Cribbs, or Eddie Royal. I guess maybe I should sit Moss with the Favre elbow thing, but I feel like they’re gonna force a TD to him one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/416 "2010-10-10T19:31:08Z")
I’m fine with a veto of this trade. But, I need some help at RB and I’m willing to offer up WR help to any team that needs it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/417 "2010-10-10T21:13:45Z")
To add to your problems today, Dale, the Rams defense put up -7 points, which is 1 point higher than the lowest practical score anyone could get from anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/418 "2010-10-11T03:07:24Z")
Looks like I’m back where I belong, for a week at least. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/419 "2010-10-11T11:50:59Z")
Barring Shiancoe outscoring Randy Moss/Braylon Edwards/Viking D, I’m still indefeated, as is Ellis Dee. And we play this week. And… my team sucks. And two of my three good players may be out with injury. Blah. I know I’ve been lucky this year with the scheduling, so it’s not like my team has really earned the undefeated thing. After tomorrow’s game I should be around 2nd-3rd in scoring so it’s not grossly unfair, but Hamlet and I almost have the same score at 5-0 vs 0-5. The whole head to head thing can be pretty crazy. I got hosed as bad as anyone has ever gotten hosed last year in the big league with that. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181/420 "2010-10-11T12:37:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Looks like I’m back where I belong, for a week at least. I cannot catch a break this year and left my winning points on the bench. Then again, I started real slow last year too and eventually turned it around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-ff-dynasty-league-year-two/545181.md?page=22)