# SDMB is simply a safe place ... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515 "2010-05-23T22:50:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/41 "2010-05-24T23:19:32Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Oh, so _that’s_ what that whole Revolutionary War business was about. I sure do wish they’d just explained that to us in school. It could have saved us all a lot of homework. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/42 "2010-05-24T23:59:06Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > The USA is a political construct which attempts to impose uniform “national” concerns on numerous bio-regions and local cultures to the detriment of all. Without oil, the USA does not exist. The USA existed before we even had coal-powered trains. The American nation existed even before we had the USA. China embraces many bio-regions and local cultures and has had no powered technology for most of its history, yet it has always had a sense of national identity, even when politically divided. That’s what makes a nation. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/43 "2010-05-25T00:03:11Z")
I wonder if that senile old retard **adhay** is still reading this thread, now that he’s got a similarly-retarded-themed one in GD that is protected from ultra-fervent expressions of personal animosities towards the proclivities and personalities of others by the mods and **adhay** ’s cowardly refusal to engage in discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/44 "2010-05-25T00:44:25Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Nah, but we may be pretty close to the point where less oil is available each year than the year before, with the consequent effect on oil prices. > > We’ll never _run out_, but there’s no guarantee that, even a decade from now, we’ll be able to depend on petroleum to anywhere near the extent we do now. > > One of the reasons I’d like to see some serious investment in mass transit is as an insurance policy against the possibility of peak oil. Oh, of course I agree with you. I was just responding to the OP to say that the sky is not falling, the end of times is not near. Solutions will be developed. Cost will be the motivator. Life will not only go on as it has but will continue to provide more oportunity and a better quality of life. The developing countries of the world are not going back to the plow and cattle life. Anyone who thinks the US and the world will come to a screeching halt in 50 years because of a perceived peak oil scenario should find a street corner to stand on and preach. Because you are just that silly. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/45 "2010-05-25T01:47:03Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > **adhay** ’s cowardly refusal to engage in discussion. To be fair, I think is akin to a cowardly refusal to flap one’s arms and fly to the moon - engaging in discussion is simply beyond adhay’s abilities. Anybody remember **justhink**? Same thing. I think he posted coherently exactly once and I was genuinely surprised. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/46 "2010-05-25T05:05:59Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > What will _your_ grandchildren be doing?.. I was smart enough to not have any children, much less grandchildren, so whether or not we have oil in 50 years is no concern of mine. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/47 "2010-05-25T13:04:10Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I’ll probably regret asking this, but where is the USA going? What’s going to happen to it? And why are we all in this handbasket? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/48 "2010-05-25T16:49:17Z")
> [@ghardester](#): > > Oh, of course I agree with you. I was just responding to the OP to say that the sky is not falling, the end of times is not near. > > Solutions will be developed. Cost will be the motivator. Life will not only go on as it has but will continue to provide more oportunity and a better quality of life. The developing countries of the world are not going back to the plow and cattle life. > > Anyone who thinks the US and the world will come to a screeching halt in 50 years because of a perceived peak oil scenario should find a street corner to stand on and preach. Because you are just that silly. Can’t argue with a word of that. Main thing I’d add is that while solutions will be developed, and cost will be the motivator, the transition will be a lot more difficult for the citizens of those countries that don’t plan for a world where oil is suddenly a lot more costly than it is now. The European countries have already done a lot of prep by artificially pricing gasoline much more highly than we do via taxation, and having much better intra- and inter-city rail transit than we do. Here, it would be nice if we were already building subway lines like crazy, and connecting nearby cities with high-speed trains, so that when the price of gasoline and jet fuel both go through the roof, people can relatively painlessly substitute trains for most of their car trips and at least some of their air travel. But instead we’ll have a lag time of a decade or so while we’re building the infrastructure for people to use instead of suddenly-too-expensive cars. It’s gonna be a hard time for a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/49 "2010-05-25T20:52:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > They’ll have jetpacks by then. [Where the fuck is my jet pack?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SCu9yiBlo) ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/50 "2010-05-25T21:00:00Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > [Where the fuck is my jet pack?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SCu9yiBlo) [I’ve been waiting for mine since the 80s.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXHWDhk7Hok) ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/51 "2010-05-26T11:38:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, adhay, you’re finally in a forum where I can casually call you a fucking moron with no hesitation whatsoever. Or sense of irony, it would seem. > [@](#): > > By the way, I kept an eye on the Lenin thread and was amused by your efforts to keep it bumped. I was also amused by your passive-aggressive attempts to tell people, including me, to shut up, while at the same time flailing desperately to get them to say how good your ideas are. Actually, **tomndebb** told you to shut up and to stop bumping. And as far as passive aggression goes, more irony. > [@](#): > > Now go on and say something incoherent in response. Your obtuseness has nothing to say to my coherencey. I do wonder about your strange belief that turning your methed-out keyboard monkey loose for a few seconds always produces something coherent and worth repeating. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The USA existed before we even had coal-powered trains. The American nation existed even before we had the USA. I agree. People walked to work and rode a horse if they if they wanted to do some traveling. It was a pretty much live and let live existence. And if you didn’t like your neighbor, you could move 50 mi west and “appropriate” (that is privatize) some public land. We’re all out of that now. I won’t bore you with accounts of our present day inter-state and intra-state squabbling over everything from water rights to gay rights. Today, the only things that holds us together as a nation are Federal Reserve Notes which are largely based on our military and our interstate highway system. Without oil …? > [@](#): > > China embraces many bio-regions and local cultures and has had no powered technology for most of its history, yet it has always had a sense of national identity, even when politically divided. That’s what makes a nation. How it comes down to you will depend in what country you live in. In “China”, much of the population won’t notice anything except the absence of Party scrutiny. Until the next war lord arises, anyway. With a little planning, this country could avoid war lords and/or Mad Max scenarios, at least in a lot of places. It will have to begin on the local level. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/52 "2010-05-26T11:56:38Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I wonder if that senile old retard **adhay** is still reading this thread, now that he’s got a similarly-retarded-themed one in GD that is protected from ultra-fervent expressions of personal animosities towards the proclivities and personalities of others by the mods and **adhay** ’s cowardly refusal to engage in discussion. When you come up for air, do take a deep breath. > [@kopek](#): > > And why are we all in this handbasket? Reminds me of a line from a Dead song, I may be going to hell in a bucket but at least I’m enjoying the ride. Yep!. 😃 [/QUOTE] > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Can’t argue with a word of that. > > Main thing I’d add is that while solutions will be developed, and cost will be the motivator, the transition will be a lot more difficult for the citizens of those countries that don’t plan for a world where oil is suddenly a lot more costly than it is now. The European countries have already done a lot of prep by artificially pricing gasoline much more highly than we do via taxation, and having much better intra- and inter-city rail transit than we do. > > Here, it would be nice if we were already building subway lines like crazy, and connecting nearby cities with high-speed trains, so that when the price of gasoline and jet fuel both go through the roof, people can relatively painlessly substitute trains for most of their car trips and at least some of their air travel. But instead we’ll have a lag time of a decade or so while we’re building the infrastructure for people to use instead of suddenly-too-expensive cars. It’s gonna be a hard time for a lot of people. Worth repeating. And I don’t doubt that it’s cogency is what left the “peanut gallery” speechless until I foolishly bumped things. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/53 "2010-05-26T12:35:18Z")
Missed edit. I had unsubscribed here but couldn’t resist checking in. I thought **BG** ’s and **RT** ’s posts were worth replying to and while I was here, I attempted to cap some high pressure wells of crude issuing from the Pit floor. Hope I have better luck than BP. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/54 "2010-05-26T22:17:46Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I’ll probably regret asking this, but where is the USA going? What’s going to happen to it? France. Zee _Ewew Ess Ay_ ees go-eeng to France. Oui-oui! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/55 "2010-05-27T08:12:50Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > Actually, **tomndebb** told you to shut up and to stop bumping. And as far as passive aggression goes, more irony. Well, your memory is as bad as your debating, I see. The bumping wasn’t the problem, it was that the thread was moronic in the first place. tom got a little testy, but no matter. And you’re such a pathetic attention whore that even after trying (and failing) to find a clever way to tell me to go away, and even after I left on my own accord, you were inviting me back into the thread (in post 237) because _nobody_ was on your side and you were under the delusion that you could best me in whatever kind of lame slap-fight passes in your mind as debate. You’re an idiot. I spoofed your idiocy for my amusement for a while, but now you may as well be kanicbird or lekatt (or the departed justhink) or any other dumbass for whom the act of parody actually is a kindness, paying attention to you when you deserve none. And that’ll be it from me. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/56 "2010-05-28T02:05:46Z")
[QUOTE=adhay] I thought BG’s and RT’s posts were worth replying to and while I was here, I attempted to cap some high pressure wells of crude issuing from the Pit floor [/QUOTE] Well yeah…that’s probably because they sort of agree with you, but are both able to actually have a coherent discussion, a thing that is sadly beyond you. I don’t agree with BG or RT, but they are both at least nominally sane AND interesting to debate with and read posts from…something else that you are lacking in. Your Lenin thread COULD have been an interesting debate, but it was clear early on that you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about, didn’t actually know much about Lenin OR his writings, or even have a good grasp of history or what capitalism is or isn’t…in short, you knew almost nothing about any aspect of the debate you were wanting to have. Even folks who might have been sympathetic to your ‘side’ were in WTF? mode in that thread, listening to your incoherent rantings and ramblings. Your OOOOooooo Scawy…PEAK OIL GONNA BE THE DEAFH OF US ALL! thread was even worse. You had no intention of anything like a debate, just wanted to spume out some internet glurge from one of your nutty web sites as if it were the gospel. It’s fairly clear that you have as much idea what a ‘market’ is or how it works than you did about the writings of Lenin…which is to say that you couldn’t buy a clue if you had access to all that ill gotten loot those evil oil executives are constantly squirreling away. I think Bryan is wrong though…you aren’t an idiot. You are a loon… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/57 "2010-05-28T02:09:38Z")
Can’t he be both, like the late Earl Warren? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/58 "2010-05-28T02:11:46Z")
They aren’t mutually exclusive, no. But I think the crazy outweighs the idiot factor in his case. YMMV, of course, and I won’t deny that ‘idiot’ wasn’t what I was thinking more than once when reading his contributions to the two thread I mentioned… -XT ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/59 "2010-05-28T09:14:00Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well yeah…that’s probably because they sort of agree with you, but are both able to actually have a coherent discussion, a thing that is sadly beyond you. I don’t agree with BG or RT, but they are both at least nominally sane AND interesting to debate with and read posts from…something else that you are lacking in. Irony again. If you will actually read their posts, while they may have not agreed 100% with you, they were not agreeing with me. I think that’s your problem, unless someone swallows your neocon bullshit whole, you fill the board with further irrelevancies to silence real debate. Like those brown shirt Town Hallers with about as much to say. > [@](#): > > Your Lenin thread COULD have been an interesting debate, but it was clear early on that you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about, didn’t actually know much about Lenin OR his writings, I wasn’t talking about Lenin or his writings. I did everything I could to focus debate on or limit discussion to one of them, Imperialism. The one person who had _actually_ read it, quite elegantly agreed with me. I suggest you go back and read **Second Stone** ’s posts and while you’re at it, read Imperialism. You could still learn something but I don’t think that’s your purpose here. You’d rather exercise your mouth at the expense of your alleged mind. > [@](#): > > I think Bryan is wrong though…you aren’t an idiot. You are a loon… > > -XT Noted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515/60 "2010-05-28T15:27:37Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > I wasn’t talking about Lenin or his writings. Just his tits? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-is-simply-a-safe-place/540515.md?page=4)