# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/21 "2016-10-06T18:29:02Z")
A joke I liked along those lines someone posted here a while back: 2016: “Trump can’t really win, can he?” 2017: “President Trump can’t do that, can he?” 2019: “Are you watching Hunger Games tonight? I hope my district wins.” OP, why start these debate watching threads five days in advance? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/22 "2016-10-06T19:06:57Z")
Clarovanoia - the condition that overlaps clairvoyance and paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/23 "2016-10-06T19:13:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > OP, why start these debate watching threads five days in advance? OP doesn’t want to get scooped, ya know. Trump does well with his big rallies, but I think the one-on-one nature that Clinton (that is, Bill) mastered in 1992 isn’t his forte. I’m not sure it’s Hillary’s forte either, though. It’ll be interesting to see if the moderation is better or worse with two of them. I predict no improvement (I can’t predict worse either because we’re already at the bottom of the barrel). ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/24 "2016-10-06T19:51:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > … > OP, why start these debate watching threads five days in advance? 4 actually. 9 - 5 is still 4. Trump hasn’t changed that yet. Because there’s so much to talk about in the days leading up to the debate. Would you rather have an omnibus debate watching thread? ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/25 "2016-10-06T19:55:02Z")
Does Trump actually make money off his rallies? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/26 "2016-10-06T20:57:29Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > 4 actually. 9 - 5 is still 4. Trump hasn’t changed that yet. > > Because there’s so much to talk about in the days leading up to the debate. > Would you rather have an omnibus debate watching thread? Just speaking for myself, but it seems it would be more convenient come Sunday if we didn’t have to scroll through four days worth of posts to get to the part where people are talking about the debate as it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/27 "2016-10-06T21:22:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Just speaking for myself, but it seems it would be more convenient come Sunday if we didn’t have to scroll through four days worth of posts to get to the part where people are talking about the debate as it happens. ^ this right here ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/28 "2016-10-06T21:34:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Because there’s so much to talk about in the days leading up to the debate. > Would you rather have an omnibus debate watching thread? No. Like Miller, I think a thread titled “live coverage” of the debate should mostly be real time comment on the debate, not padded by four days of bad jokes and wish-list speculation. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/29 "2016-10-06T21:41:04Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > Does Trump actually make money off his rallies? From what I’ve read the tickets are generally free but I guess there’s a chance he gets a percentage of any concession sales that might be going on. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/30 "2016-10-06T22:11:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > From what I’ve read the tickets are generally free but I guess there’s a chance he gets a percentage of any concession sales that might be going on. Plus, after the rally is over, he can stiff the suppliers - pay them 10 cents on the dollar because “maybe I didn’t like their work”. If Trump’s campaign asked me to supply anything for it - printing, catering, room rental, signs, security, etc… I would insist on 100% cash payment in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/31 "2016-10-07T03:20:49Z")
Donald’s doing “debate prep”, answering softball questions from his fans with Howie Carr as “moderator” in a New Hampshire town hall style event. > **[Donald Trump's Debate Practice Is A Joke](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-debate-prep_n_57f6ea0ee4b0e655eab346d4?section=)** > > If he wanted to lower expectations for Sunday, he succeeded. Questions included, "What would you say to convince Hispanics who are deceived by Obama, Clinton and the biased media to vote for you?” and “Who’s going to win the World Series?” Al Baldasaro, Trump’s vetern’s affairs advisor and the guy who suggested Hillary should be shot by a firing squad, asked how Donald would fix the VA. But my favorite part was the “Whining About the Previous Debate” segment: > [@Donald](#): > > “You really think Hillary Clinton is debate prepping? Hillary Clinton is resting,” he said. > > He also complained about the first debate, insisting he received more difficult questions than Clinton. > > “She gets easy ones,” he said. “By the way, have you noticed the difference? I’m getting boom, boom, boom. With her, ‘What would you do to fix the economy?’ Of course, that’s actually a much tougher question than you would understand, and she doesn’t have a clue, but you see the questions I was getting.” Yeah, Hillary gets all the easy questions, like “how do we fix the economy” while poor Donald has to take the hard stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/32 "2016-10-07T03:21:37Z")
[Tonight Trump held a townhall in New Hampshire, which was supposed to be prep for Sunday.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-prep-229267?cmpid=sf)Except Trump came out basically saying “Fuck this, studying’s for nerds.” And then he took softballs from a gushing moderator in front of a room full of friendlies, veered wildly off message and left 30 minutes into it. > [@](#): > > “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said at one point. “Do you really think that Hillary Clinton is debate-prepping for three or four days. Hillary Clinton is resting, okay?” Ok, bud. You’re probably right. She’s at home watching Luke Cage and taking extra long naps with her cats. [See ya Sunday!](http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn-blank.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/33 "2016-10-07T13:56:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There must be some way to employ tasers. Not at the power settings that _ **I’d** _ use. (The world just isn’t ready for TWO Don Kings…) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/34 "2016-10-07T14:05:28Z")
I’m seriously hoping someone asks them about Kim Jung-un, China’s land building in the sea, and Putin’s desire to renew the cold war. These are serious issues facing the next president. I’m afraid Trump would over play the hand with respect to the above, creating a major problem, while Hillary would under play it, choosing safety over security. These are tough issues with no easy answer and definitely, worthy of debate. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/35 "2016-10-07T15:30:39Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > That was the worst debate ever. Hey this aint no Big Bang thread! > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Tonight Trump held a townhall in New Hampshire, which was supposed to be prep for Sunday.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-prep-229267?cmpid=sf)Except Trump came out basically saying “Fuck this, studying’s for nerds.” … I do wonder if some undecideds get the message being sent: Candidate A believes in hard work and in being prepared. Knows that smarts and talent alone are not enough Candidate B believes work and preparation is for losers. Just in the optics there is something about basic American values here that plays badly. Goals for this debate for each are the same: don’t say anything stupid, steer the conversations gently to what you want to say, and demonstrate humanity and empathy, that they understand and care about the problems each viewing demographic is facing. WJ Clinton believably sold [his compassion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_SFvgbrlY) and connected in this format. Neither of these two have that gift. Trump plays large crowd emotions well but demonstrating that he hears and understands? No. HR Clinton is by now always self-editing as she speaks so much that it limits her relatability. Whichever uses this format to actually connect with people, personalizes their answers better with real vingettes, wins the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/36 "2016-10-07T16:19:58Z")
Wait, the debate is Sunday night, during the Packers game AND side-gig? Not only can I not watch, I can’t even drink! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/37 "2016-10-07T16:21:43Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Seriously, I believe those who are saying Trump will not prepare for this debate, because he doesn’t have the ability to or even cares to, are wishful thinking. I think he will be better prepared. Ahhh… about that… > [@](#): > > [Trump blows off debate tune-up](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-prep-229267) > > This was not the debate tune-up that jittery Republicans were hoping for. > > Only days before Donald Trump must face Hillary Clinton in a town-hall style presidential debate, the GOP nominee added just such an event in New Hampshire. It was seemingly a concession to anxious allies and advisers hoping he might hone his skills in what can be a difficult format even for the most dexterous of politicians. > > Trump had other plans… > > On Thursday night, Howie Carr, a conservative radio host and Trump booster, played the role of moderator, and the crowd was hand-picked by his campaign. The audience didn’t even ask Trump their questions. Carr did so on their behalf. Before the event, Carr had said Trump would take 20 questions. He stayed for about a dozen. > > And while Sunday’s debate will stretch for 90 minutes without a bathroom break, Trump bolted from his town hall in Sandown after barely more than one-third of that time. > > Trump’s campaign did place a two-minute countdown clock in front of their candidate on Thursday. He repeatedly blew past that time limit anyway. > > “I said forget debate prep. I mean, give me a break,” Trump said at one point… ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/38 "2016-10-07T19:35:32Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > \ > I do wonder if some undecideds get the message being sent: > > Candidate A believes in hard work and in being prepared. Knows that smarts and talent alone are not enough > > Candidate B believes work and preparation is for losers.\ So this election is, essentially, [Goofus and Gallant](https://www.google.com/search?q=goofus+and+gallant&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJiKnit8nPAhWJbj4KHffWBBIQ_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=794)? > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Yeah, that was pretty bad, but the one that really got to me was the Executive Order requiring that pizza henceforth must be eaten with a knife and fork. Make America Grate Again! > [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > (The world just isn’t ready for TWO Don Kings…) I’d rather two Don Kings than one King Donald. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/39 "2016-10-07T21:41:58Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > WJ Clinton believably sold [his compassion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_SFvgbrlY) and connected in this format. Neither of these two have that gift. Trump plays large crowd emotions well but demonstrating that he hears and understands? No. HR Clinton is by now always self-editing as she speaks so much that it limits her relatability. Whichever uses this format to actually connect with people, personalizes their answers better with real vingettes, wins the debate. I’ve read stories over the last few months that when you get her in a one on one situation, Hillary is very personable and really connects with people. She just can’t do it with a crowd like Bill or Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/40 "2016-10-07T21:43:57Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > I’ve read stories over the last few months that when you get her in a one on one situation, Hillary is very personable and really connects with people. She just can’t do it with a crowd like Bill or Obama. The hologram is pretty good, but when it has to account for multiple eyelines, you have to expect a certain loss of quality if you don’t want the scales and fangs to show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=3)