# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/601 "2016-10-10T02:57:00Z")
Being over here on the other side of the world I just turned on the live stream to only catch the last question. I thought Clinton’s answer to the last question was a nice subtle “fuck you”, in that there is nothing about Trump that she respects but she respects his children. Perfect answer. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/602 "2016-10-10T02:57:21Z")
Kellyanne could see the sunny side of a horseturd and spin it as truth. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/603 "2016-10-10T02:58:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Jimmy Carville(?) says she can talk the legs off a table. And convince it to go for a walk after. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/604 "2016-10-10T02:59:34Z")
> [@TheSeaOtter](#): > > According to a recent 538 liveblog item, no, the US isn’t (quite) energy independent - the amount of energy the US generates is 91% of the energy it consumes. We don’t actually use all of that - we export some of it, so US energy imports are more than 9% of consumption. Yes it’s a US EIA figure originally. Energy production of all types in the US (fossil and renewable, fuels and end production of electricity, all) is 91% of energy consumed domestically. Often in casual/political discussion though ‘energy’ and ‘oil’ get mixed up. US oil production is only around half of consumption, though that’s a significantly higher % than it was fairly recently. Most of the 9% net, of all energy, is accounted for by oil imports. [http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=us\_energy\_home](http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=us_energy_home) ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/605 "2016-10-10T03:00:55Z")
CNN commentator made a good post-debate point: Trump doing well enough to keep his campaign going may actually be a win for Clinton. If he had totally imploded and subsequently dropped out of the race, she might face tougher competition with his replacement. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/606 "2016-10-10T03:01:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why? He’s a religious fanatic and homophobe who thinks gay people need to be rehabilitated, and he wants to heap totally unnecessary requirements on women for abortions, both before and after the procedures. Yeah, Pence may believe he’s doing the right thing because of his religion. But he’s still functionally evil. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/607 "2016-10-10T03:02:27Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Being over here on the other side of the world I just turned on the live stream to only catch the last question. I thought Clinton’s answer to the last question was a nice subtle “fuck you”, in that there is nothing about Trump that she respects but she respects his children. Perfect answer. Yeah, but that allowed Trump to be the bigger man for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/608 "2016-10-10T03:03:00Z")
Look, I don’t care what else happened, Trump promising to **assign a special prosecutor to imprison his political opponent** is basically all that matters this debate. That’s what dictators do. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/609 "2016-10-10T03:03:12Z")
I don’t think Trump has any serious chance of winning but what he may have done with this debate is preserved the GOP House majority. There was a serious possibility of his campaigning imploding, more and more Republicans bailing out, and chaotic and bitter arguments breaking out between Trump and the rest of the GOP leading to a loss in the House. All that seems much less likely now. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/610 "2016-10-10T03:03:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, but that allowed Trump to be the bigger man for the first time. Not really, Hillary worked that around into her support for children worldwide. That may resonate. But Trump did finally state a full sentence. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/611 "2016-10-10T03:04:26Z")
CNN commentator talking about Trump’s pacing, stalking, and creepy behavior. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/612 "2016-10-10T03:04:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why? He’s a religious fanatic and homophobe who thinks gay people need to be rehabilitated, and he wants to heap totally unnecessary requirements on women for abortions, both before and after the procedures. Because I don’t vote social issues at the federal level. The federal government has little or no say over abortion or gay rights. It’s all about economic issues and foreign policy at the federal level. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/613 "2016-10-10T03:05:15Z")
Melania was wearing a dress with a “Pussy bow”. > ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/614 "2016-10-10T03:05:58Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Not really, Hillary worked that around into her support for children worldwide. That may resonate. But Trump did finally state a full sentence. Yeah, but he actually made the case for why Clinton should be President. He didn’t have to do that, but it’s clear he really believes that. And I KNOW Clinton admires some things about Trump because before this race they were pretty chummy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/615 "2016-10-10T03:06:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because I don’t vote social issues at the federal level. The federal government has little or no say over abortion or gay rights. It’s all about economic issues and foreign policy at the federal level. They do nominate SCOTUS justices. But more importantly, it sends a message to gay Americans when an anti-gay bigot is elected, just as it sends a message to black Americans if we elect a white supremacist. Isn’t that a big deal? Why would you want to contribute to that? ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/616 "2016-10-10T03:06:42Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > CNN commentator made a good post-debate point: Trump doing well enough to keep his campaign going may actually be a win for Clinton. If he had totally imploded and subsequently dropped out of the race, she might face tougher competition with his replacement. Yes, it was a great point. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/617 "2016-10-10T03:09:00Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Nope. I think he’d held his own. No, he doesn’t know policy. His voters don’t care. He’s projecting a strong image, and that’s what they like. He’s also not stepping all over himself as in the last debate. Oddly, in the first debate, despite the occasional ramble about his son and his computer skills, I think he was stronger. I think Trump was a complete and total mess this time. He couldn’t answer a question. He couldn’t finish a sentence. He was disconnected from reality. He shambled around stage, and spewed out odd garbage like Drunk Uncle at a holiday feast. He interrupted. He argued with Hillary. He argued with the moderators. This was the first time I looked at one of his performances and seriously thought there was something to the idea of Donald having dementia. How exactly did he get from a question about the Supreme Court to Hillary needing to donate more of her own money to her campaign? It’s like some bizarre version of twister. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/618 "2016-10-10T03:09:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They do nominate SCOTUS justices. But more importantly, it sends a message to gay Americans when an anti-gay bigot is elected, just as it sends a message to black Americans if we elect a white supremacist. Isn’t that a big deal? Why would you want to contribute to that? I would never elect a pure bigot. And you should never elect someone who promises to not enforce the law. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/619 "2016-10-10T03:10:21Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Look, I don’t care what else happened, Trump promising to **assign a special prosecutor to imprison his political opponent** is basically all that matters this debate. That’s what dictators do. You beat me to it – just got home. I feel absolutely no restraint in saying this: anyone – and I mean anyone – who votes for Donald Trump, or even votes third party to spite Clinton because of her Wall Street transcripts or whatever else…go fucking fuck yourself. Trump has crossed what might be the most uncrossable line in all of democracy: threatening to jail his political opposition, and on top of that he’s threatening retaliation on those who abandoned him. This is deadly serious business and I don’t doubt for a minute that Donald Trump and his bag of Midwestern mullahs and trailer park Nazis would attempt to make good on what he’s talked about doing. I’ve no doubt that there will be serious talk of contesting the outcome of the election on election night, through the courts and intimidation and God knows what else. I will also say this: news organizations and journalists should absolutely stop trying to give both sides equal time. Tyrants do not deserve equal time. They should - they must - pull out all the stops, dig up every spec of dirt on Donald, stop trying to ‘play fair’ in reporting on Hillary’s ‘scandals’ and they should bury Trump’s campaign into the waste bin of history. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/620 "2016-10-10T03:10:27Z")
Early Trump threatened once again to send Hillary to prison. Besides being what dictators want to do with opponents his kind words in the end sound contradictory… Unless Trump does know how deep in doodoo he is with his taxes, foundation, university and many other issues and he is looking for mercy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=32)