# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/661 "2016-10-10T03:53:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Nothing much happened. Trump energized his base, I suppose. Trump energized Clinton’s base, even more likely. But even if Trump had totally flummoxed her and dazzled her with footwork…tomorrow, he will open his mouth. All kinds of stuff could happen tomorrow or the days and weeks left. But Clinton really didn’t get a lot of punches in on Trump this time in my view. And Trump clearly did better than he did last time. So he has less to stew about, nor was any particular irrelevancy, I can think of (like Miss Universe), planted for him to obsess about. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/662 "2016-10-10T03:54:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit. Now you’re just rationalizing your support for bigotry with word games. > > If I had to go back in time and vote between a rich, corporate plutocrat Republican in the 30s who wanted lower taxes on the rich and no minimum wage (but not a white supremacist) vs a white supremacist, pro union and pro workers rights Democrat, I would vote for the Republican. It would be tough for me, and I would be be angry about it, but bigotry really is that bad and harms America that much, IMO. > > Your opinion might differ about which is more important. But don’t deceive yourself - you are supporting bigotry over non bigotry. When you can show me a non-bigoted Presidential candidate, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/663 "2016-10-10T03:55:19Z")
My thoughts: 1. Trump didn’t shit the sheets. He didn’t do one iota of the stuff many people (myself included) thought he might do. 2. He was still pretty aggressive and personal in his attacks. Called her the devil. Said she should be in jail. Said he was going to go after her with a special prosecutor if he wins. Called her a liar. Looked right in her eyes several times and pointed at her while making harsh accusations. Threw red meat to his base, basically. And acted like someone hoping to run a banana republic. 3. Trump bugged me with his continued disrespect of Barack Obama. I don’t ever seem to recall candidates referring to the sitting by his last name alone in a debate before. It’s been “President Bush,” “President Clinton,” “President Reagan,” etc. Trump repeatedly spat out “O-ba-ma” in the same fashion he says “Chi-na.” Just seemed disrespectful, but I’m not surprised nor getting my panties in a bunch over it. 4. Holy shit, he threw Mike Pence under a Mack truck tonight. 5. Trump was in no way appealing to the middle, undecideds, independents or moderates tonight. When answering the Muslim woman’s question, he immediately talked over her to address “Radical. Islamic. Terror.” Say it. “Radical. Islamic Terror.” It’s like Beetlejuice, you have to say it three times to fix it. “Radical. Islamic. Terror.” This, I presume, wasn’t the answer this woman was looking for. Also, repeatedly blowing off his own vile sexual assault comments as “locker room talk” won’t do him any favors with women, but will assuage his fellow assholes that he’s not a pussy about to kowtow to PC pressure. Finally, when the black man asked a question about being a president for “all people,” Trump immediately starts talking about the poor inner city again, and poverty, and violence in minority areas. He wasn’t talking to this man, his answer was addressed to people whose experience with big cities is nothing more than going to the occasional MLB game. Trump again assumed that if you’re black, you must be poor, stuck in failing schools and terrorized constantly by third-world-like gun violence. 6. What the heck was he talking about his “bottom line” and post office? Has he recently discovered Pitney Bowes or something? I apologize if this has been cleared up in this thread, but I haven’t read all of the posts. 7. Thought the moderators did very well overall. Anderson did editorialize a bit with the military strategy on Trump. Of course, they’ll both be lambasted by the right wing from now until the next debate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/664 "2016-10-10T03:55:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When you can show me a non-bigoted Presidential candidate, let me know. Hillary Clinton’s positions on the issues right now are not bigoted, as far as I understand them. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/665 "2016-10-10T03:56:23Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > It’s the _states_ that want to regulate their insurance companies. I stand corrected. However, as I said, we do have a common market. More than that, we’re a united country. The government regulates interstate commerce and this is a clear example of restraint of trade by the states. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/666 "2016-10-10T03:56:56Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > CNN/ORC poll says Clinton won, 57% to 34%. > > I think Trump started off a flaming disaster and more or less righted himself for the last 60% of the show. But even when he’s doing well (for him) it’s just so clear he is in so far over his head. Forget the non-apologies and childish attacks - the guy has no idea what it means to have an idea to improve the lives of anyone outside of his family. > > In other words, he is totally incompetent for the job he seeks. I’ll buy those numbers. Trump didn’t do as bad as I hoped he would, but it’s probably good news in the long run. As long as Hillary gets a point or 2 bounce from this debate, it’s a clear win for her. I think she’ll get that from demeanor differences alone. Trump is clearly not qualified, but he’s made some great improvements in many areas, but he still falls short. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/667 "2016-10-10T03:58:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, it was very confusing. What was the point of opening a second thread? Apparently to provide posters with two places to argue about the exact same things. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/668 "2016-10-10T03:59:51Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’ll buy those numbers. Trump didn’t do as bad as I hoped he would, but it’s probably good news in the long run. As long as Hillary gets a point or 2 bounce from this debate, it’s a clear win for her. I think she’ll get that from demeanor differences alone. > > Trump is clearly not qualified, but he’s made some great improvements in many areas, but he still falls short. Any more bounce will probably be from the video, not from the debate. I think the first debate swayed anyone capable of being swayed by a debate. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/669 "2016-10-10T04:01:28Z")
I guess October Surprises do happen! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/670 "2016-10-10T04:01:47Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > CNN/ORC poll says Clinton won, 57% to 34%. Missed the edit window. The same poll after the first debate was 62/27 for Clinton, for comparison sake. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/671 "2016-10-10T04:03:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I have very good reasons for liking Mike Pence. He has the requisite experience, he can state his views and argue for conservatism clearly, he would enforce the law in a non-partisan manner and not politicize the federal bureaucracy, and he will not have two sets of views, one for the public and one for his campaign contributors. As per [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Indiana/comments/4u6qfr/why_is_mike_pence_disliked_in_indiana/d5ng4e0), that seems to be the exact opposite of what Pence is actually all about. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/672 "2016-10-10T04:07:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, it was very confusing. What was the point of opening a second thread? Because its annoying to scroll through 4 pages trying to find where the commentary is actually live on the debate not pre-speculation. If anyone is going to make a thread 4 days before the next debate then they should at least edit the original post once the debate starts to link the exact post where live commentary begins. Oops, can’t do that without a moderator involved… so starting a second thread thats actually live makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/673 "2016-10-10T04:08:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, it was very confusing. What was the point of opening a second thread? Difference of opinion on the timing of the thread. This one opened a few days early and shouldn’t have been ( my opinion ), then LHoD opened a rival thread that he deemed less encumbered, compounding the mistake ( my opinion ). Then the moderators didn’t get around to dealing with/decided to ignore the issue and we all end up with a hard to follow cluster-fuck. I blame everyone :). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/674 "2016-10-10T04:08:24Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > CNN/ORC poll says Clinton won, 57% to 34%. > > I think Trump started off a flaming disaster and more or less righted himself for the last 60% of the show. But even when he’s doing well (for him) it’s just so clear he is in so far over his head. Forget the non-apologies and childish attacks - the guy has no idea what it means to have an idea to improve the lives of anyone outside of his family. > > In other words, he is totally incompetent for the job he seeks. Interestingly, you and I probably disagree strongly on most measures that the federal government should take to improve the lives of Americans… and yet we both agree strongly that Trump has no clue how to do the job. That really ought to suggest that Trump has no clue. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/675 "2016-10-10T04:10:28Z")
Clinton knows, or should: balanced budgets, free trade. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/676 "2016-10-10T04:11:13Z")
Ha! Bystanders are heckling Corey Lewandowski while he’s trying to speak on the CNN panel. “You’re a fraud, Corey!” “Do we all agree? We all agree you’re terrible, Corey!” Silly, I know, but he deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/677 "2016-10-10T04:16:34Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > … > > It’s the _states_ that want to regulate their insurance companies. So, Trump’s proposal would go against _States Rights_! ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/678 "2016-10-10T04:19:26Z")
I was mostly interested in seeing how Trump would answer the Access Hollywood tape. I thought he did a terrible job. Repeating “locker room talk” five times doesn’t explain anything. He wasn’t contrite or sorry. He did not reassure voters who were repulsed by this. In fact, he went further in the gutter by dredging up Bill Clinton accusers and irrelevant sleazy stuff. I can’t follow Trump’s rambling answers. There is a whirlwind of words which occasionally relate to the topic but usually go off in all sorts of weird tangents. Hillary is not an inspiring speaker but she easily wins the debate on content because she has command of the facts and can make coherent arguments. The visuals are a big factor in these debates. I was very disturbed by Trump’s style. Lots of loud sniffing in the beginning. Trump was looming, menacing, pacing, and fidgeting throughout. I actually felt that he was trying to intimidate Hillary with his physical presence. This can’t play well with women. Trump disagreed with Pence on a foreign policy issue. Major gaffe! With respect to Trump threatening to appoint a special prosecutor and throw Hillary in jail, it will play well with his base and provide further concerns for everyone else that he is a dictator who doesn’t believe in democracy. In summary, Hillary won with a solid but not brilliant performance. Trump survived but did not win any new supporters. Overall, it was not a game changer. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/679 "2016-10-10T04:21:24Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > …It’s the _states_ that want to regulate their insurance companies. Having the insurance companies regulate the state is more efficient. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/680 "2016-10-10T04:24:06Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yeah, Trump is going to face a hailstorm of Federal charges after this election, for a lot of really stupid shit such as flying his jet uncertified for several months, and he’s going to scream bloody murder about how it is all political revenge. :smack: Which is probably exactly why he’s threatening Hillary with federal charges. Everyone will criticize him for making such a threat and then he can try to scream “hypocrisy” when he faces charges after she wins. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=35)