# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/681 "2016-10-10T04:24:44Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Difference of opinion on the timing of the thread. This one opened a few days early and shouldn’t have been ( my opinion ), then LHoD opened a rival thread that he deemed less encumbered, compounding the mistake ( my opinion ). Then the moderators didn’t get around to dealing with/decided to ignore the issue and we all end up with a hard to follow cluster-fuck. > > I blame everyone :). For the record. LHoD and I have no problem(s) between us. We both respected the position of the other, yet we disagreed on a timing issue. Neither of us intended to cause a problem for the board, staff, guests or members, but that’s what happened. I regret any inconvenience or confusion that this have caused anyone. LHoD and I have exchanged PMs and I’m sure LHoD feels the same as I do. I assure you, this did not escape mod attention, but more than that I am not free to say. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/682 "2016-10-10T04:27:44Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Which is probably exactly why he’s threatening Hillary with federal charges. Everyone will criticize him for making such a threat and then he can try to scream “hypocrisy” when he faces charges after she wins. Even Ari Fleischer; yes, that [Ari Fleischer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Fleischer), thinks that Trump was out of line: > > [@](#): > > Winning candidates don’t threaten to put opponents in jail. Presidents don’t threaten prosecution of individuals. Trump is wrong on this. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/683 "2016-10-10T04:56:29Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > For the record. > > LHoD and I have no problem(s) between us. We both respected the position of the other, yet we disagreed on a timing issue. Neither of us intended to cause a problem for the board, staff, guests or members, but that’s what happened. I regret any inconvenience or confusion that this have caused anyone. LHoD and I have exchanged PMs and I’m sure LHoD feels the same as I do. > > I assure you, this did not escape mod attention, but more than that I am not free to say. You have to wait for the audit to be over, I guess? 😉 Far as I can tell, some like starting a thread so people can talk about the debate beforehand; however, that means an awful lot of posts to zip past once the actual debate occurs. So why not just start a “Pre-Debate Talk” thread, and wait until the night of the debate to start the “Live Debate Chat” thread? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/684 "2016-10-10T05:01:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Interestingly, you and I probably disagree strongly on most measures that the federal government should take to improve the lives of Americans… and yet we both agree strongly that Trump has no clue how to do the job. > > That really ought to suggest that Trump has no clue. This. I wish there were more principled people on both sides of the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/685 "2016-10-10T05:14:50Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Yes, it was a great point. It’s a preposterous point. If Trump dropped out now it’s doubtful the Republican Party could even agree on a nominee for two weeks and when they did agree on one his name wouldn’t be on most ballots. It would look like a complete and total clusterfuck. No votes would be gained and Trump loyalists would stay home. The election would be a slaughter of historic proportions. The GOP is stuck with Trumo and, pathetically, he is the best chance they have. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/686 "2016-10-10T05:19:03Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Missed the edit window. The same poll after the first debate was 62/27 for Clinton, for comparison sake. Losing a debate 57 to 34 - with The STRONG CAVEAT that we could use more true polls to back it up - is a huge, huge loss in a Presidential debate. Most are very close. That he lost it by less than the first one is not good for him. It’s terrible. He needed to win both remaining debates to realistically have a chance of winning. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/687 "2016-10-10T05:29:29Z")
Also, 63% thought that Trump did better than expected. (I did too.) But he did better than most people expected just by not leaving a smoking hole in the ground. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/688 "2016-10-10T05:38:34Z")
> [@choie](#): > > So why not just start a “Pre-Debate Talk” thread, and wait until the night of the debate to start the “Live Debate Chat” thread? Yes great idea… ---
**Author:** ![bat312](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c77e96/32.png) [@bat312](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bat312)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/689 "2016-10-10T05:43:10Z")
Anyone else notice Wun Wun sitting in the second row to Clinton’s left? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/690 "2016-10-10T06:21:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Interestingly, you and I probably disagree strongly on most measures that the federal government should take to improve the lives of Americans… and yet we both agree strongly that Trump has no clue how to do the job. > > That really ought to suggest that Trump has no clue. And what does it say about the _current_ Republican party that this is who a large portion of their base wants? I know that it’s partly due to the spoiler effect early in the primary, but I think there’s more to it than that. There had to be a sizable group supporting him from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/691 "2016-10-10T06:22:37Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I regret any inconvenience or confusion that this have caused anyone. Ah, no worries from my end - at the end of the day it was just one more thread to scan :). What I’m REALLY pissed about is that this fucking debate screwed up my recording of _Bob’s Burgers_. Their cartoon brawl disrupted my cartoon :mad:! ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/692 "2016-10-10T06:41:31Z")
Amazingly sleazy! Trump wanted to put Bill Clinton’s accusers in his family box in order to be closer to Bill and more prominently featured. Officials stopped it at the last minute. Was this the presidential debate or Wrestlemania? > **[Trump wanted to put Bill Clinton’s accusers in his family box. Debate...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/)** > > Donald Trump’s campaign sought to intimidate Hillary Clinton and embarrass her husband by seating women who have accused former president Bill Clinton of sexual abuse in the Trump family’s box at the presidential debate here Sunday night, according... ---
**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/693 "2016-10-10T06:51:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So if Trump did attack her, would his Secret Service stand by while her Secret Service kicked his ass, or would it be a gang fight? This exact question was in my mind when I thought he was invading her personal space in a menacing fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/694 "2016-10-10T07:04:27Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Amazingly sleazy! Trump wanted to put Bill Clinton’s accusers in his family box in order to be closer to Bill and more prominently featured. Officials stopped it at the last minute. Was this the presidential debate or Wrestlemania? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/) As ever, keepin’ it classy, Donald. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/695 "2016-10-10T07:15:00Z")
Any thoughts about the audience? What is the point of having one if they are not supposed to applaud or audibly react during the debate through applause, laughter, etc.? I was surprised by the level of cheering and applause at Trump’s “because you’d be in jail” quip and a little confused by the level of laughter (maybe including from Trump supporters?) at Trump’s reference of himself as a gentleman when insisting that Hillary answer a question first, since it was unclear if Trump meant for it to be a laugh-line or not. Probably not, since he’s not exactly a self-deprecatory kind of guy. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/696 "2016-10-10T07:22:41Z")
[CNN.com](http://CNN.com)’s post-debate gaggle of analysts in the “Who won?” article unanimously said Trump lost, to a greater or lesser degree depending on their political leanings. Even SE Cupp panned his performance. I can’t remember another time there was such a clean sweep. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/697 "2016-10-10T07:23:51Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > Any thoughts about the audience? What is the point of having one if they are not supposed to applaud or audibly react during the debate through applause, laughter, etc.? > > I was surprised by the level of cheering and applause at Trump’s “because you’d be in jail” quip and a little confused by the level of laughter (maybe including from Trump supporters?) at Trump’s reference of himself as a gentleman when insisting that Hillary answer a question first, since it was unclear if Trump meant for it to be a laugh-line or not. Probably not, since he’s not exactly a self-deprecatory kind of guy. Some of that reaction might have been shock rather than approval. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/698 "2016-10-10T07:27:20Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Amazingly sleazy! Trump wanted to put Bill Clinton’s accusers in his family box in order to be closer to Bill and more prominently featured. Officials stopped it at the last minute. Was this the presidential debate or Wrestlemania? > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/) And you don’t find what Bill Clinton did to be sleazier by several orders of magnitude? There’s a hell of a lot more credible evidence of his sexual assaults than there’s ever been with Bill Cosby, but look who gets raked over the coals! (Hint: it isn’t the big time Democrat politician.) ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/699 "2016-10-10T07:34:32Z")
Best Tweet of the night goes to Moustafa Bayoumi (‏@BayoumiMoustafa) “I’m a Muslim, and I would like to report a crazy man threatening a woman on a stage in Missouri.” > ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/700 "2016-10-10T07:35:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And you don’t find what Bill Clinton did to be sleazier by several orders of magnitude? FYI, Bill Clinton is not running in this election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=36)