# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/741 "2016-10-10T14:37:11Z")
I think Clinton could have given a much better answer to the last question. “Your kids are all right” was kind of lame. Instead, she could have used it to make right her “gaffe” about deplorables, saying something like this: > [@](#): > > Donald and I disagree on many things, but he’s tapped into a real vein of discontent in our country. Too many people see that our economy isn’t working for them, that we need to change our priorities to make sure that the rising tide lifts all boats. While we disagree strongly over whether we should face these challenges through dividing people or through unifying them, I appreciate that Donald has brought these very real issues to light. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/742 "2016-10-10T14:41:55Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m really surprised that the moderators aren’t getting more credit for holding the line in this debate. It was priceless watching Trump complain about Hillary getting 25 more seconds than he did. Actually, he complained several times that the moderators weren’t fair, at one time, calling it 3 on 1. And yes: the moderators were **boss**. Poor Trump, not being able to intimidate the moderators into silence. ---
**Author:** ![CorneaGenii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@CorneaGenii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CorneaGenii)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/743 "2016-10-10T14:43:20Z")
Just want to share this amusing [recap](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/10/10/the-incredibly-depressing-second-presidential-debate-recapped/?utm_term=.8853ad492558) of the debate on WaPo’s website. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/744 "2016-10-10T14:48:51Z")
> [@Vicsage](#): > > Don’t know if anyone has said this yet, haven’t read every post. Regarding the last question: Trump’s compliment for Hillary should have been that orange is her color and how good she’ll look in an orange jumpsuit. “Orange is your color Hillary. I notice you don’t have any orange on you tonight.” “Keep your hands off me, Donald.” ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/745 "2016-10-10T14:55:21Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m really surprised that the moderators aren’t getting more credit for holding the line in this debate. It was priceless watching Trump complain about Hillary getting 25 more seconds than he did. Actually, he complained several times that the moderators weren’t fair, at one time, calling it 3 on 1. The 3:1 sounded whiny, but Martha Raddatz did little or nothing to disguise her dislike of Trump, and actually started briefly debating him in one exchange (‘the military might not want secrecy for X reasons’, that’s fine to say if you are a participant in the debate…). I can’t see reasonable complaint about Cooper by normal standards (I don’t see much doubt who he is voting for having watched his show time to time, but if you’d only ever watched this debate, not as obvious). And, I’m pretty sure Trump thinks he won this debate. He did do better than the first time , won’t face Republicans saying he did badly which seemed to be a significant factor getting him offtrack after the first one. I don’t think he’ll whine and pout about this debate in coming days, which was his biggest problem last time IMO. However he didn’t clearly win, and has bigger problems than the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/746 "2016-10-10T14:57:23Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I’m really surprised that the moderators aren’t getting more credit for holding the line in this debate. It was priceless watching Trump complain about Hillary getting 25 more seconds than he did. Actually, he complained several times that the moderators weren’t fair, at one time, calling it 3 on 1. And didn’t Donald complain that the moderators weren’t bringing up Hillary’s e-mails, _immediately after they brought up her e-mails_?! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/747 "2016-10-10T15:05:37Z")
The wandering around the stage, lurking, and looming over Clinton bugged me last night; in screencaps and photos this morning it’s really TERRIFYING. Resting Karloff face. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/748 "2016-10-10T15:08:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The wandering around the stage, lurking, and looming over Clinton bugged me last night; in screencaps and photos this morning it’s really TERRIFYING. > > Resting Karloff face. [Here are some pics and gifs for reference.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/donald-trump-looming-hillary-clinton-presidential-debate/) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/749 "2016-10-10T15:10:01Z")
Trump won because Pence didn’t jump ship after the debate? Priceless. I think that’s the point they are making, Trump slowed down the hemorrhaging so he won, never mind he’s still 3 quarts low. Unfortunately, Trump’s dismissing his “locker room talk” as okay because it was only words…IE, I didn’t really do it. BS. Wait until Hillary starts parading women with orange stains on their crotch areas before the nation. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/750 "2016-10-10T15:11:07Z")
Unavision polled their viewers who won the debate: 92% Hillary, 8% Donald. > I don’t know the last time it was possible to win with the “Anglo” male vote, but Donald is definitely trying to prove they can still carry an election. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/751 "2016-10-10T15:12:22Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The wandering around the stage, lurking, and looming over Clinton bugged me last night; in screencaps and photos this morning it’s really TERRIFYING. > > Resting Karloff face. I noticed immediately, and found it really creepy. So did most women in my circle. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/752 "2016-10-10T15:40:31Z")
Breitbart headline in the Google news feed: Trump’s Debate Win Propels Him Toward White House Seriously. That’s really the headline. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/753 "2016-10-10T16:07:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think Mean Joe is pretty close to being on the money. My thoughts: > > Trump: Gave us a head fake with his appearance with the Clinton accusers. I think that kind of rattled Hillary a little, to the extent that she can be rattled. The return of Mr. Sniffles didn’t help his cause. Jesus, dude, move the mike to one side if you’re going to do that. He was crass and rude and interrupted repeatedly. His comments about putting Hillary in jail may have been red meat for his mindless minions, but didn’t win any supporters. He seems to be in primary mode and unable to escape, he knows how to excite the base but he’s unable to expand the base. > > Hillary: She was more engaging with the audience, taking time to converse with them while Trump just talked past them to attack her. Her Lincoln defense was hard to follow and she should have had a better and simpler answer to the two-faces question. But she seemed presidential and mature, two qualities her opponent noticeably lacks. You got the impression that she was in victory formation and just taking a knee on every snap. > > It’s her race to lose and barring catastrophe, she will not lose. To emphasize your point about engagement with the audience, when James Carter asked, “Do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the United States,” Trump immediately started talking about, African Americans, Latinos, and inner cities, including how horrible inner cities are. I know it’s a surprise to some people, but all African Americans and Latino people don’t live in inner cities. (The notion that all inner cities are horrible is also wrong.) When Clinton responded to the question, the first thing she did was call the questioner “Mr. Clark” by name, then she talked about trying to work together with everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/754 "2016-10-10T16:11:05Z")
> [@theR](#): > > To emphasize your point about engagement with the audience, when James Carter asked"… > > When Clinton responded to the question, the first thing she did was call the questioner “Mr. Clark” by name… Wait, did Clinton get his name wrong, or did you? ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/755 "2016-10-10T16:15:19Z")
I distinctly remember her correctly calling him “Mr. Carter,” because how could a Democratic presidential nominee mistake a guy whose name is “James Carter?” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/756 "2016-10-10T16:19:51Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > I distinctly remember her correctly calling him “Mr. Carter,” because how could a Democratic presidential nominee mistake a guy whose name is “James Carter?” [Transcript](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/09/everything-that-was-said-at-the-second-donald-trump-vs-hillary-clinton-debate-highlighted/) > [@](#): > > COOPER: We’ve got a question over here from James Carter. Mr. Carter? > > QUESTION: My question is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the United States? > > CLINTON: Well, 67 percent of the people voted to re-elect me when I ran for my second term, and I was very proud and very humbled by that. > > Mr. Carter, I have tried my entire life to do what I can to support children and families. You know, right out of law school, I went to work for the Children’s Defense Fund. And Donald talks a lot about, you know, the 30 years I’ve been in public service. ETA: There’s no “Clark” in the transcript. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/757 "2016-10-10T16:29:29Z")
See? The cover-up has begun! ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/758 "2016-10-10T16:48:26Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The wandering around the stage, lurking, and looming over Clinton bugged me last night; in screencaps and photos this morning it’s really TERRIFYING. > > Resting Karloff face. Exactly. Here’s what two body language experts had to say: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/second-debate-body-language](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/second-debate-body-language) Givens: “Trump’s constant pacing and restless movements around the stage attracted attention from Hillary’s words, and visually disrespected her physical presence on the stage, as in ‘I am big, you are small.’ ” Wood: “He circles her during her turn. He is like a lion: going in with a biting attack, then keeping his attack energy going by continuing to move and circle.” ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/759 "2016-10-10T16:51:30Z")
> [@theR](#): > > To emphasize your point about engagement with the audience, when James Carter asked, “Do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the United States,” Trump immediately started talking about, African Americans, Latinos, and inner cities, including how horrible inner cities are. I know it’s a surprise to some people, but all African Americans and Latino people don’t live in inner cities. (The notion that all inner cities are horrible is also wrong.) > > When Clinton responded to the question, the first thing she did was call the questioner “Mr. Clark” by name, then she talked about trying to work together with everyone. This really bothers me. On the rare occasions Trump speaks to African-Americans or Latinos, he promises to deliver them from the horrid squalor of their inner-city poverty. Yes, both groups have some economic disadvantages–but both groups also include plenty of working class folks with good jobs, lots of middle class & even some very rich. All these groups can be concerned about racism–but they also have issues shared with most other Americans. And _Trump lives_ in the “inner city.” Don’t New Yorkers need a fair amount of money nowadays to live in most of Manhattan? Lots of kids raised in the suburbs (& their empty-nester parents) prefer living “downtown”–which is possible in many cities. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/760 "2016-10-10T17:04:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Wait, did Clinton get his name wrong, or did you? I did. Sorry about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=39)