# \*\* SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 \*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737 "2016-10-05T22:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/761 "2016-10-10T18:25:36Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Being over here on the other side of the world I just turned on the live stream to only catch the last question. I thought Clinton’s answer to the last question was a nice subtle “fuck you”, in that there is nothing about Trump that she respects but she respects his children. Perfect answer. I remember when she was faced with a similar question during her 2000 debate with Senate contender Rick Lazio and she praised him for being attractive and he returned the favor. She probably couldn’t have done that with a straight face this time. The only cite I could find online is this brief Daily Show “Moment of Zen” clip which doesn’t show the question, but it captures the moment. [http://www.cc.com/video-clips/hd30xp/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moment-of-zen---rick-lazio-is-attractive](http://www.cc.com/video-clips/hd30xp/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-moment-of-zen---rick-lazio-is-attractive) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/762 "2016-10-10T18:43:44Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > My opinion of the debate last night. > > Trump: > > Trump was Trump. Sadly there was not the full-blown meltdown I had hoped for but he certainly hurt himself several times in fairly big ways. Once again he provided no details to how he would do anything he promises and almost never answered the question asked. It was all mumbo-jumbo non-answers. He was in full-blown bullshit artist mode. And his base will love him for it. In debates I already expect politicians to not actually answer the question but instead to make a point they desire to make (talking points) regardless of the question asked. Trump cannot even do that successfully as his answers are incoherent, unrelated statements with nothing tying them together into a consumable thought/point. I do not believe he stopped the bleeding, he didn’t do well enough for that. But he has slowed down the blood loss. I do think there is more bad news to come in the next few days that will hit in the media and Trump set himself up for some big falls. But he gave his angry mob that supports him enough to quell any slight concerns they’ve had over the last 72 hours events. I do not believe he did anything to attract new voters which in the big picture is his weakness. He shored up his base with the crude attacks, gave them exactly what they wanted to see - reality-TV theatrics of him playing Tough Guy and telling the bitch off. After the beating he has taken the last few days, appeasing the angry mob is a pseudo-victory for him. He still loses the election. > > Clinton: > > I think she did what she needed to do. She kept her composure and maintained her appearance as being Presidential and qualified to run the country. That was no small task in the face of Trump’s crude behavior. She firmly called Trump out on the video (and an assist from Anderson Cooper!) and being unfit to be President. She let him show the world exactly who he is. Although Trump landed a few shots, no haymakers that would concern her supporters and she will have attracted more undecided voters who will remain very uncomfortable with Trump’s sexism, bigotry, racism, and temperament. At the end of the day though I really don’t think Clinton did (or can) calm the concerns people have regarding emails, past infidelities, perception of honestly, etc. Those accusations have become ingrained in many people’s mind as The Truth and I don’t think there is anything she can do to move that needle. Those will continue to be lines of attack against her that will give some people pause. But she didn’t hurt herself, she didn’t do anything to drop her standing in the polls and critical swing states, and coming out of the debate she still will have a fairly comfortable path to victory in the election. > > Just my opinions/observations, trying to be non-biased as I can. Having had a few hours to mull over what we all saw last night, I think this is prolly the best summation of the 2nd debate I’ve seen. I agree with your analysis, **MeanJoe**. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/763 "2016-10-10T19:20:26Z")
[As I did with some of the convention speeches,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19507974#post19507974) I screened sections of the debate for civics classes of incarcerated juvenile students. Some reactions from them: 1. Trump was generally agreed to have not answered the questions/stayed on topic well. 2. Clinton was generally agreed to have sounded “smart,” “professional,” etc. However, some kids pointed out that Trump’s answers were much easier to remember because he used short words and simple syntax. I had to admit that I had trouble remembering the details, or even the basics, of parts of Clinton’s answers (on, e.g., Syria, taxes, and the ACA). 3. Trump’s “rudeness” in interruptions, body language, and turning his answers into attacks was seen very negatively. Was expecting a counterpoint reaction that Clinton looked “weak,” but didn’t get it at all. (That last bit’s pretty surprising to me, as many of these kids often express machismo-packed views on gender roles, and on women in leadership in particular! But they used words like “desperate” and “distraction” to describe Trump’s aggressiveness, suggesting that maybe he didn’t do a good job at playing alpha dog.) 4. Asked the kids to judge the debaters on communication skills. Overwhelming consensus was that Clinton won because she used logic and evidence, spoke in an organized way, and kept her composure. However, many kids thought it was pretty close because Trump was also effective in emotional appeals and one-liners. Just throwing this out there because these kids are comparatively uninformed about politics - I, personally, always find it interesting to hear what they think about this kind of stuff, and maybe you will too. (And I almost always hear one or two come up with something surprising and insightful.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/764 "2016-10-10T19:21:49Z")
> [@CorneaGenii](#): > > Just want to share this amusing [recap](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/10/10/the-incredibly-depressing-second-presidential-debate-recapped/?utm_term=.8853ad492558) of the debate on WaPo’s website. 😃 Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! That totally fucking rocked! Utterly brilliant! I want to quote lines from it, but there are too many! Thank you thank you thank you, **CorneaGenii**! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/765 "2016-10-10T19:31:28Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > [As I did with some of the convention speeches,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19507974#post19507974) I screened sections of the debate for civics classes of incarcerated juvenile students. Some reactions from them: > > 1. Trump was generally agreed to have not answered the questions/stayed on topic well. > 2. Clinton was generally agreed to have sounded “smart,” “professional,” etc. However, some kids pointed out that Trump’s answers were much easier to remember because he used short words and simple syntax. I had to admit that I had trouble remembering the details, or even the basics, of parts of Clinton’s answers (on, e.g., Syria, taxes, and the ACA). > 3. Trump’s “rudeness” in interruptions, body language, and turning his answers into attacks was seen very negatively. Was expecting a counterpoint reaction that Clinton looked “weak,” but didn’t get it at all. (That last bit’s pretty surprising to me, as many of these kids often express machismo-packed views on gender roles, and on women in leadership in particular! But they used words like “desperate” and “distraction” to describe Trump’s aggressiveness, suggesting that maybe he didn’t do a good job at playing alpha dog.) > 4. Asked the kids to judge the debaters on communication skills. Overwhelming consensus was that Clinton won because she used logic and evidence, spoke in an organized way, and kept her composure. However, many kids thought it was pretty close because Trump was also effective in emotional appeals and one-liners. > > Just throwing this out there because these kids are comparatively uninformed about politics - I, personally, always find it interesting to hear what they think about this kind of stuff, and maybe you will too. (And I almost always hear one or two come up with something surprising and insightful.) I commend you on your efforts and think that the kids’ reactions are very interesting. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/766 "2016-10-10T19:37:31Z")
I just started getting a bunch of panicky sounding emails from various Democratic and left leaning organizations asking for money for the congressional races. They say that the RNC has pulled all of it’s support from Trump and is going to put $40,500,000 into the congressional races. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/767 "2016-10-10T19:42:06Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > [As I did with some of the convention speeches,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19507974#post19507974) I screened sections of the debate for civics classes of incarcerated juvenile students. Some reactions from them: > > 1. Trump was generally agreed to have not answered the questions/stayed on topic well. > 2. Clinton was generally agreed to have sounded “smart,” “professional,” etc. However, some kids pointed out that Trump’s answers were much easier to remember because he used short words and simple syntax. I had to admit that I had trouble remembering the details, or even the basics, of parts of Clinton’s answers (on, e.g., Syria, taxes, and the ACA). > 3. Trump’s “rudeness” in interruptions, body language, and turning his answers into attacks was seen very negatively. Was expecting a counterpoint reaction that Clinton looked “weak,” but didn’t get it at all. (That last bit’s pretty surprising to me, as many of these kids often express machismo-packed views on gender roles, and on women in leadership in particular! But they used words like “desperate” and “distraction” to describe Trump’s aggressiveness, suggesting that maybe he didn’t do a good job at playing alpha dog.) > 4. Asked the kids to judge the debaters on communication skills. Overwhelming consensus was that Clinton won because she used logic and evidence, spoke in an organized way, and kept her composure. However, many kids thought it was pretty close because Trump was also effective in emotional appeals and one-liners. > > Just throwing this out there because these kids are comparatively uninformed about politics - I, personally, always find it interesting to hear what they think about this kind of stuff, and maybe you will too. (And I almost always hear one or two come up with something surprising and insightful.) > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I commend you on your efforts and think that the kids’ reactions are very interesting. Thanks! Double ditto on that! These kids sound smarter and more perceptive than the average Trump supporter. I’d like to hear more about what they think! Please share. And convey our compliments to them. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/768 "2016-10-10T19:46:26Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > **Starving Artist** , maybe have some food. The hunger is obviously clouding your ability to think clearly. Stick to an actual discussion and leave snide comments about other posters for The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/769 "2016-10-10T19:54:55Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > Your original statement was that there was more evidence that Bill Clinton had committed rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment, etc. than there was against Cosby. There are about 60 accusers against Cosby versus 3 (that were mentioned and featured by Trump) against Bill Clinton. There is a common modus operandi among many of the 60 women, though some are different and you can always point out differences by examining them each very closely. Given that there are only 3 featured by Trump against Bill Clinton, there isn’t enough there to really establish a similar common modus operandi against Bill Clinton, particularly when including Monica since the details of her involvement with Bill are already so well known. > > So, the point stands - it is apparent there is more evidence against Cosby of rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment (particularly evidence that could actually be used in either criminal or civil rules of evidence in any court case since in many states there are rules that specifically allow in accusations of other bad acts/incidents to show a common modus operandi) than against Bill Clinton. No, I said there was more _credible_ evidence. And of much worse behavior. No one has accused Cosby of overpowering and raping them while biting their lip hard enough to cause injury, then callously telling them to put some ice on it. Or chasing a recent widow around the room after coming to him for a job. Or of getting the state police to bring him women, or of nonchalantly dropping his pants in front of one of them. (Nor, I should add, has Cosby or his team referred to his accusers’ statements as bimbo eruptions and set about to assassinate their character, ala James Carville’s comment “If you drag a hundred- dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.”) The evidence against Bill Clinton for this kind of behavior and more is both more credible and of a far worse nature than the complaints against Cosby. And of course a great many of us believe Hillary Clinton was complicit in Bill’s attempts to destroy these women in the public eye, as well as that in a Hillary Clinton administration, Bill will function in effect as co-president, as Hillary did when he was president. So in light of all this, I’m going to claim that my point stands that the evidence against Bill Clinton is both more credible and of a more serious nature than those against Cosby, and that as always, crickets chirp from the SJW crowd because he’s a high-level Democrat politico. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/770 "2016-10-10T19:54:55Z")
Went to Target this afternoon, exchanged a few words with a guy about the debate. He started off, “I only watched 18 minutes of it and I had to turn it off, because I was so angry!” I thought, Ok, I can relate to that. Then he went on, “That Hillary Clinton-- giggling and giggling and wagging her finger in Trump’s face! You did \*this \*and you did _that_!” I thought, Ok, no so much. He capped it with, “I mean what’s worse: a guy cheating on his wife, or the wife who _stands by and **lets him** cheat_??” To which I replied, “No comment,” and headed for the checkout lines. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/771 "2016-10-10T20:38:53Z")
[Yahoo.com](http://Yahoo.com) has an article about the best jokes made about the debate at [Best Jokes About the Trump/Clinton Debate](https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/best-jokes-trump-clinton-debate-155738788.html) A few examples: TRUMP: this country cannot handle another four years of barack obama AMERICA: literally this is all we want. this is all we want right now * * * Trump writing a term paper: Sources Cited: 1. You Know It 2. I know It 3. Everybody Knows It ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/772 "2016-10-10T20:43:46Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > TRUMP: this country cannot handle another four years of barack obama > AMERICA: literally this is all we want. this is all we want right now > > * * * During the next debate, I’d love to hear Clinton reference this when Trump starts going off on Obama. “You realize, Donald,” she could say, “the only reason either of us stands a chance of becoming president in January is that Barack can’t run again. Kind of makes you humble, doesn’t it?” Trump would launch into a screed about how great he is, and she could roll her eyes. I know it won’t happen, but it’s a pretty scene in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/773 "2016-10-10T20:53:09Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > No one has accused Cosby of overpowering and raping them That’s because he drugged them. No need to overpower them when they’ve been drugged. All 60 of them. 60 is a lot. In fact, I suspect, but can’t prove, that 60\>3. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/774 "2016-10-10T20:53:58Z")
Breitbart’s top headline right now is more coverage of the Bill Clinton accusers. Since this is the most important thing in the country right now. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/775 "2016-10-10T21:00:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I commend you on your efforts and think that the kids’ reactions are very interesting. Thanks! > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Double ditto on that! These kids sound smarter and more perceptive than the average Trump supporter. > > I’d like to hear more about what they think! Please share. And convey our compliments to them. Seriously. Thank you both for your kind words and interest in the students’ opinions! I’m glad I’m not alone in finding them interesting. Like many people, most of my friends/family are pretty politically engaged and have predictable political biases - hearing from the kids is a great chance for me to get some really different points of view. **ThelmaLou** , I’ll definitely convey your compliments on their thinking, but in a non-partisan way, if that’s okay. 😃 Part of my goal in this lesson was to get them to set aside their biases/preferences and think objectively about how and why the candidates communicate the ways they do. I’m doing the same lesson tomorrow, showing more segments of the debate, so I hope to have fresh insights to share. A few things for context: 1. The kids did not hear about the Trump tapes that came out Friday - they don’t get to watch the news much of the time - and I’m not planning on talking about this issue or showing the parts of the debate that touch on it. It’s likely to derail discussion in a serious way, and I don’t think the language involved is classroom-appropriate. (I had to give that teacher who asked the first question Sunday a fist-bump, despite the scold-y phrasing.) 2. Several of the kids already had a strong impression that Clinton is unusually dishonest - one actually used the phrase “pathological liar” - based on what they’ve heard about the primary and general election campaigns. Praise of Clinton’s intelligence/professionalism was definitely tempered by doubts about her sincerity. 3. Almost all already thought Trump is “racist” based on his rhetoric about immigration from Mexico. My students are well upwards of 90% Latino. Of those who share personal info during discussion, most were born in the US to Mexican immigrant parents of various legal statuses: fully documented, fully undocumented, and in-between. (I do not solicit this info, but some kids do share it in discussion.) So those who saw upsides in Trump’s style had a big overcoming-bias moment, as I see it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/776 "2016-10-10T21:19:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > During the next debate, I’d love to hear Clinton reference this when Trump starts going off on Obama. “You realize, Donald,” she could say, “the only reason either of us stands a chance of becoming president in January is that Barack can’t run again. Kind of makes you humble, doesn’t it?” > > Trump would launch into a screed about how great he is, and she could roll her eyes. > > I know it won’t happen, but it’s a pretty scene in my head. I wonder if she missed an opportunity to pretty much open things by setting terms. So, first, Trump denied ever doing what he got taped describing himself doing, right? And then they asked her to reply? Figure she could’ve said, _you know, all I can say is that it’s possible. I guess that, if he’s the kind of man who’d do that instead of just lying about it, he’d be the kind who doesn’t respect women, and doesn’t know how to behave appropriately: the kind who’d interrupt a woman when she’s speaking._ What happens next? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/777 "2016-10-10T21:23:48Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > … > **ThelmaLou** , I’ll definitely convey your compliments on their thinking, but in a non-partisan way, if that’s okay. 😃 Part of my goal in this lesson was to get them to set aside their biases/preferences and think objectively about how and why the candidates communicate the ways they do. > … By all means. Would that Trump supporters would be 1/10 this thoughtful and analytical. I’m guessing they’re very lucky to have you as a teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/778 "2016-10-10T21:36:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So in light of all this, I’m going to claim that my point stands that the evidence against Bill Clinton is both more credible and of a more serious nature than those against Cosby, and that as always, crickets chirp from the SJW crowd because he’s a high-level Democrat politico. And from yourself, of course. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/779 "2016-10-10T21:51:26Z")
So one point that I haven’t seen raised was when Trump talked nukes: > [@](#): > > Now, with that being said, she talks tough against Russia. But our nuclear program has fallen way behind, and they’ve gone wild with their nuclear program. Not good. Our government shouldn’t have allowed that to happen. Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We are old. We’re tired. We’re exhausted in terms of nuclear. A very bad thing. Now I know there is a push for a massive upgrade in America’s nuclear arsenal but is it fair to say the U.S. is old and busted and Russia shiny and state of the art? (putting aside the imho rather reckless nature of the comment) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737/780 "2016-10-10T21:59:32Z")
> **[Who won the town hall debate? | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/opinions/clinton-trump-second-debate-roundup/)** > > CNN commentators and guest analysts offer their take on Sunday night's second presidential candidate debate. Trump blows a big one:eek: We now have evidence that Hillary has a bigger penis than the Donald. 😛 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-thread-2nd-potus-debate-10-09-2016/767737.md?page=40)