# \*\*\* SDMB Live coverage, VP Debate. 10/04/2016 \*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354 "2016-10-01T13:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/201 "2016-10-05T02:49:26Z")
I think we have the sound bite of the night: Pence: ‘Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again’ 🙂 > **[Pence: 'Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again'](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/vice-presidential-debate-you-whipped-out-that-mexican-thing-again-229154)** > > Kaine repeatedly referenced the opening speech of Trump's presidential campaign Tuesday night. Twitter is having a field day with it: [https://twitter.com/search?q=mexican+thing](https://twitter.com/search?q=mexican+thing) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/202 "2016-10-05T02:50:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Has anyone been following Trump’s live tweeting? Anything good yet? [There’s this:](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-tweet-during-vp-debate-kaine-looks-like-an-evil-crook-out-of-the-batman-movies-014527737.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma) > [@](#): > > ‘Kaine looks like an evil crook out of the Batman movies’ ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/203 "2016-10-05T02:51:07Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Elaine Quijones is not going to control the debate. She should stop interrupting Kaine while he’s interrupting Pence who isn’t answering the question. I just had to clean lemonade off my monitor. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/204 "2016-10-05T02:51:17Z")
I never want to hear about politicians whipping out their things, Mexican or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/205 "2016-10-05T02:51:33Z")
Kaine would probably have won in the eyes of a debate coach. But Pence might have won in the eyes of Joe Sixpacks across the Rust Belt. Pence’s comments, if anything, seemed more about firing up religious conservatives and those who already hated Clinton’s guts anyway. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/206 "2016-10-05T02:52:21Z")
On NBC, they just showed a very anti-Trumpence clip from the debate, where Kaine is pointing out that Pence can’t defend Trump’s words and policies while Pence tries unsuccessfully to interrupt him. Followed by Lester Holt almost gleefully agreeing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/207 "2016-10-05T02:56:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Has anyone been following Trump’s live tweeting? Anything good yet? Unfortunately no. Mostly retweets of comments by others. The few original ones are pretty generic and boosterish. I have the feeling Kellyanne got her hands on his phone and frantically rewrote while he dictated. He’ll likely have a few choice comments when she gives it back later. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/208 "2016-10-05T02:56:41Z")
Pence reminded me of the Vice Principal at my old high school, who seemed to spend his entire day trying to bust kids for smokin’ in the boys’ rooms. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/209 "2016-10-05T02:57:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Pence’s comments, if anything, seemed more about firing up religious conservatives and those who already hated Clinton’s guts anyway. Not trying to expand beyond the base, in other words. Given the state of the race, that’s practically a concession. > [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Pence: ‘Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again’ 🙂 That’s the soundbite. That’s the “47%” of this debate, and it will probably have legs. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/210 "2016-10-05T02:58:57Z")
[www.thatmexicanthing.com](http://www.thatmexicanthing.com) now takes you to Hillary’s website. That’s awesome. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/211 "2016-10-05T03:01:14Z")
I have to give this a draw. Pence looked and talked presidential…unless you actually listed to what he was really saying. Kaine had better points, by far. Pence is also not a loony sociopath, Like trump. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/212 "2016-10-05T03:01:39Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > [www.thatmexicanthing.com](http://www.thatmexicanthing.com) now takes to Hillary’s website. That’s awesome. Great work. Someone grabbed it just now: Domain Name: [THATMEXICANTHING.COM](http://THATMEXICANTHING.COM) Registrar: [GODADDY.COM](http://GODADDY.COM), LLC Updated Date: 05-oct-2016 Creation Date: 05-oct-2016 Expiration Date: 05-oct-2017 \>\>\> Last update of whois database: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 02:45:45 GMT \<\<\< ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/213 "2016-10-05T03:07:55Z")
In a tie, the loser’s the guy who gets memed the hardest. Looks like Pence wasted an opportunity on a night he otherwise did fairly well. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/214 "2016-10-05T03:08:33Z")
My feeling (as somebody who supports Clinton/Kaine) is that Pence won. They both refused to answer the questions asked and they both kept interrupting. Kaine had more substance especially specific policies. However-he also had some talking points that he pounded into the ground. Kaine looked a bit agitated and out of control. Pence spoke to the camera initially, while Kaine did not. You can’t underestimate the effect of appearing to directly address the viewers at home. I don’t know why nobody told Kaine to talk to the camera. Pence is a slippery SOB who spent most of the debate on the defensive yet still came across as more calm, poised and presidential Kaine really came into his own on the last two questions. When he stopped trying to attack and actually talked about what he believed and how he reconciled his own feeling with policy, he came across as thoughtful dependable and likable, rather than just smarmy. This moderator sucked. If she had any skills, she could have sequed from one topic to another as the conversation shifted. When they start bringing up Russia, you go to your Russia question then. You don’t jump to Syria and tell them “We’ll get to Russia later”. It basically turned it into people yelling talking points at each other and then her changing the subject so they could yell more unrelated talking points at each other. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/215 "2016-10-05T03:08:40Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well Rachel Maddow’s right, _nobody_ came out of this looking good, not even the moderator. Seriously. It was a total train wreck. I admit that Donald’s taxes are a good topic for Hillary/Kaine to club the opposition with, but I was seriously getting sick of hearing it as the answer to every question. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/216 "2016-10-05T03:11:54Z")
“You whipped out that Mexican thing again.” I mean, just laid out there like that… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/217 "2016-10-05T03:12:26Z")
:knock, knock: Who’s there? :Interrupting Veep: Interrupting Veep wh- :SHOW US TRUMP’S TAX RETURNS!!!: Substitute “TRUMP DIDN’T SAY THAT” if you’re on the opposite side of the fence. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/218 "2016-10-05T03:13:47Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > [www.thatmexicanthing.com](http://www.thatmexicanthing.com) now takes you to Hillary’s website. That’s awesome. The graphic I got upon loading was titled “He actually said that” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/219 "2016-10-05T03:14:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Seriously. It was a total train wreck. I admit that Donald’s taxes are a good topic for Hillary/Kaine to club the opposition with, but I was seriously getting sick of hearing it as the answer to every question. Yes, but the rebuttal of Hillary’s campaign was so _mean_ to Donald (by quoting him) was pretty damn funny. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/220 "2016-10-05T03:24:45Z")
Lasted until about 9:45. Then I went over to Luke Cage. It was painful and boring all at once (the debate. Luke Cage was great.) Kaine was interrupty. Pence was smarmy and squinty and interrupty. Kaine needs to work on his vocal timbre; he too often sounds unauthoratative and nasal. Like George HW. ETA: This won’t change anything in the campaign. I mean, the biggest loser of the night was you fools who sat through the whole thing. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354.md?page=12)