# \*\*\* SDMB Live coverage, VP Debate. 10/04/2016 \*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354 "2016-10-01T13:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/21 "2016-10-04T22:24:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’ll be kind and simply say that cite does not support your statement. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > Agreed. Thirded, with the notation that the link provided omits something important from the (unattributed) New York Times quote that is the basis for the whole screed. Here is what the linked screed quotes: > [@](#): > > “Mr. Kaine embraced an interpretation of the gospel, known as liberation theology…” Here is the full phrase: > [@](#): > > In its far-flung pueblos, banana plantation company towns and dusty cities, Mr. Kaine embraced an interpretation of the gospel, known as liberation theology, that championed social change to improve the lives of the downtrodden. Also, it appears that attempts to link it to Soviet communism are not based on reality; it clearly originated in Latin America.[ > [@](#): > > Gustavo Gutiérrez gave the movement its name with his book A Theology of Liberation (1971). In this book, Gutiérrez combined populist ideas with the social teachings of the Catholic Church. He was influenced by an existing socialist current in the Church which included organizations such as the Catholic Worker Movement and the Jeunesse Ouvrière Chrétienne, a Belgian Christian youth worker organization. He was also influenced by Paul Gauthier’s The Poor, Jesus and the Church (1965). Gutiérrez’s book is based on an understanding of history in which the human being is seen as assuming conscious responsibility for human destiny, and yet Christ the Savior liberates the human race from sin, which is the root of all disruption of friendship and of all injustice and oppression. ]([Liberation theology - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology)) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/22 "2016-10-04T22:28:25Z")
Okay, now that I’ve got that out of the way: I’m really looking forward to tonight’s debate. I thought Mr. Kaine was very impressive in his speech accepting the VP slot. I thought he had the same easy-going comfortableness that Bill Clinton had, a a good grasp of where we are and where he thinks we could & should be, and at least an inkling of how we can get there. Mr. Pence, OTOH, struck me as accomplished, polished within his narrow oeuvre and utterly unprepared for anything more challenging than finding his mouth with the food. I have spring rolls, fudge pops and a fresh pot of tikka masala ready for tonight! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/23 "2016-10-04T22:36:38Z")
A suggested drinking game-- Take a sip each time Pence is confronted with something Trump has said or done, and his reply is some version of: > [@](#): > > Donald Trump has his own way of saying things and it’s not my way, but I couldn’t be prouder to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him in this campaign. (I’ve seen Pence interviewed at least half a dozen times and he ALWAYS uses the ‘I’m so honored to be shoulder to shoulder with him’ bit in response to “Mr. Trump just said \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_; what’s your response?” I’m just wondering how often he’ll repeat it tonight. Could be an alcohol-poisoning-level number of times!) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/24 "2016-10-04T22:43:34Z")
In another thread, DrDeth offered these sobering reasons to pay attention tonight: Pence: Anti-abortion, to the point of defunding Planned Parenthood So anti-immigration he wants to get rid of the 14th Ad. He is an ignorant luddite: “smoking doesn’t kill” and doesnt believe in Climate change or Evolution. Wants to privatize Social Security. Homophobic. Wants to expand the Patriot Act. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/25 "2016-10-04T22:46:41Z")
Only the 2016 US Presidential Election Campaign offers the chance to play a drinking game while watching a debate, and be continually sobered-up while doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/26 "2016-10-04T23:46:00Z")
Time traveling Republicans from the future have [spoilered](http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13168384/mike-pence-won-debate) the debate for me. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/27 "2016-10-04T23:55:59Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Time traveling Republicans from the future have [spoilered](http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13168384/mike-pence-won-debate) the debate for me. I stole that and posted it to facebook! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/28 "2016-10-05T00:08:10Z")
Let me know how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/29 "2016-10-05T00:08:12Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Time traveling Republicans from the future have [spoilered](http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13168384/mike-pence-won-debate) the debate for me. That sort of proves Republican spin has nothing to do with the facts. Soundbites and phrases, forget the facts. ETA: MSNBC just aired that story. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/30 "2016-10-05T00:12:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > That sort of proves Republican spin has nothing to do with the facts. Soundbites and phrases, forget the facts. > > ETA: MSNBC just aired that story. The story is funny, but there’s no doubt that the Democrats also have a story ready to go saying they’ve won the debate. It is just that the RNC accidentally pushed it up early. Still funny though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/31 "2016-10-05T00:13:49Z")
This is one of the rare times where I will say both sides do it. I’m sure there are Dem drafts of victory statements out there too. Just not posted publicly. ETA: What he said. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/32 "2016-10-05T00:21:05Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > That sort of proves Republican spin has nothing to do with the facts. Soundbites and phrases, forget the facts. C’mon now. \*\*Of course \*\*they are interested in facts. So interested in fact that they don’t want those partisan news organizations to be the only fact-checkers. Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, you too can join [Trumps Big League Truth Team!](http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-factcheckers-big-league-truth-team/) > [@](#): > > According to emailed instructions sent by the Trump campaign to those who sign up, members will receive emails and texts from campaign before, during, and after Tuesday night’s vice presidential debate and the two remaining presidential debates. Big League Truth Team members are being asked by the campaign to spread the fact-checks via Facebook, Twitter, and email. > > The new rapid-response initiative appears to be a move by Trump to counter the wave of fact-checks by Politifact, [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org), and numerous media outlets. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/33 "2016-10-05T00:23:12Z")
Should Kaine start the debate by congratulating his opponent on having won already? Probably a bad idea. ((But funny.)) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/34 "2016-10-05T00:23:55Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I stole that and posted it to facebook! apparently, the GOP also had something “5 questions Tim Kaine was not asked” - you can see it in google results but clicking leads to a rather dumb404 error message on the GOP site. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/35 "2016-10-05T00:28:42Z")
At least they tipped their hand on Pence’s two major points. Probably no big surprise, but they did emphasize these two topics above all the others. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/36 "2016-10-05T00:38:05Z")
Well according to the RNC the debate’s over and Pence won – before it ever started. I’m sure they’d like the elections process to work more like their dabates. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/37 "2016-10-05T00:44:43Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Fuck it, I’m watching ‘Love It or List It.’ " Pence is David, Kaine is Hillary (not THAT Hillary!)… ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/38 "2016-10-05T00:51:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I have spring rolls, fudge pops and a fresh pot of tikka masala ready for tonight! Ugh. I can never work up an appetite during these debates, so I’ve already filled my tummy with homemade pulled pork bobby-cue, onions rings, and beer. I wish I had fudge pops, though. What scares me is that I have only about four or five ounces of bourbon left. If beer doesn’t sustain me, I may have to break into the bottle of Havana _anejo_ rum I’ve been saving. What’s the old rhyme? “Rum on bourbon, you’ll wear a turban?” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/39 "2016-10-05T00:58:31Z")
[Here is a link to YouTube live streaming of the VP debate courtesy of NBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVXqNcW_-HA). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/40 "2016-10-05T00:59:55Z")
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