# \*\*\* SDMB Live coverage, VP Debate. 10/04/2016 \*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 1, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354 "2016-10-01T13:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/101 "2016-10-05T01:44:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Even Bentsen-Quayle and Biden-Palin didn’t move the needle. This is just entertainment. Ordinarily I’d agree with you, but in this election, _nothing_ is “just entertainment.” ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/102 "2016-10-05T01:45:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh I wish Kaine were the one actually wearing that photo shopped earpiece thingy that Hillary “wore” to the town hall. That way we could tell him that Reagan’s son – I actually think it was conservative stick-up-the-ass Mike Reagan this time – who says Reagan wouldn’t be down with this ticket. > > Was it Mike or was it Ronnie Jr? Most recently, like last week, it was Mike. Ron Jr. has been behind Hillary for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/103 "2016-10-05T01:46:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh I wish Kaine were the one actually wearing that photo shopped earpiece thingy that Hillary “wore” to the town hall. That way we could tell him that Reagan’s son – I actually think it was conservative stick-up-the-ass Mike Reagan this time – who says Reagan wouldn’t be down with this ticket. > > Was it Mike or was it Ronnie Jr? It was Michael. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/104 "2016-10-05T01:48:26Z")
Pence winning on style right now. Kaine winning on substance–i.e., on message points that matter. Question of who is winning depends on what matters in a VP debate: attack dog points (Kaine) or coming across as calm and reasonable (Pence). ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/105 "2016-10-05T01:48:30Z")
Kaine says “bigly/big league.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/106 "2016-10-05T01:49:02Z")
Pence trying to defend nuking now … ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/107 "2016-10-05T01:49:07Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Okay, so obviously Pence is defending a shit sandwich. Kaine has better position on the issues. But people who are already familiar with the issues aren’t going to vote for Trump. So this debate is aimed at people who are ignorant and just want to vote based on getting a feel for the candidates. > > Pence is looking calm, composed, thoughtful, authoritative. He’s passing the eye test - he looks like the president from a movie. Kaine is flustered and not nearly coming off as well. Pence is making a much better defense of a shit sandwich than Kaine is of the superior position. And in that way, Pence is signifiicantly beating Kaine currently. I haven’t watched the whole thing but I kinda, sorta agree to some extent. Kaine just looks uptight, like he’s got something to lose. Pence looks more at ease in this environment. Kaine’s better at stump speaking and cheer leading, and a lot better as a surrogate in TV interviews. But Pence looks a little more relaxed. Is he kicking some Kaine ass? I doubt it. They’re trading punches. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/108 "2016-10-05T01:51:14Z")
mr pence is looking more " presidential". ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/109 "2016-10-05T01:52:04Z")
Pence: “it’s absolutely inarguable”. [O RLY?](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/110 "2016-10-05T01:52:08Z")
I propose that the winner become the first person to actually answer a question. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/111 "2016-10-05T01:54:39Z")
These “moderators” suck. It’s like Mills Lane watching Tyson bite Holyfield and watching Holyfield knee Mike back in the nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/112 "2016-10-05T01:56:12Z")
This thing is a total clusterfuck. The conventional wisdom that VP debates are stupid seems to be holding. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/113 "2016-10-05T01:57:20Z")
Almost an hour in before we hear about e-mails. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/114 "2016-10-05T01:57:50Z")
Mike Pence is very good at looking insulted when Tim Kaine accurately quotes something Trump said. But I’m not sure that works with voters who have spent even 5 minutes following the election so far. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/115 "2016-10-05T01:58:28Z")
“No, YOU have the insult-based campaign!” Right, Mike. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/116 "2016-10-05T01:59:03Z")
I wonder how many people are watching this shit. Hopefully they’re watching MLB playoffs or something else. I don’t think Kaine’s getting waxed but Pence looks better. I could see some people thinking “Okay, Donald’s nuts, but this Pence guy will probably be the real president. So it’s good right?” ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/117 "2016-10-05T01:59:19Z")
When they are actually speaking to each other and having a substantive argument, the dopey moderator interrupts them and changes the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/118 "2016-10-05T01:59:29Z")
I really hope the 2nd POTUS debate isn’t a total waste of time like this one was. Terrible format, terrible officiating. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/119 "2016-10-05T02:00:08Z")
Isn’t Pence getting about twice as much time as Kaine? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354/120 "2016-10-05T02:00:08Z")
Okay Timmy, he’s setting up the tee – time to start hammering away about Donald’s Putin linnks!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-live-coverage-vp-debate-10-04-2016/767354.md?page=7)