# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/261 "2008-11-03T23:29:35Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Snipped. > > Well I was going to say more along the lines of i **dio** syncratic. You, sir, are no i **dio** t. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/262 "2008-11-03T23:45:32Z")
That was less helpful than it could have been. For reference, who is who? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/263 "2008-11-04T00:09:32Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > And yikes, I don’t know _what_ to do with **Santo** ’s claim; if this were a remotely normal game… this is not a remotely normal game Is there such thing as a remotely normal game? IIRC, the last game you played in was Conspiracy? Without being a Gastard game, that’s about far from “normal” as you can get! > [@JSexton](#): > > That was less helpful than it could have been. For reference, who is who? Booze = **Dio** medes. Rapier = Kid Vermicious Santo Rugger = Pygmy Rugger ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/264 "2008-11-04T00:13:02Z")
As promised, I’ve done my reread. And may I say that I _loove_ the multiquote feature–thanks, Jerry! > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Quite right…but unless someone wants to step and say “I disagree, and I’m going to respond that same way from every one of my accounts”, it’s pretty much all we’re got right now. > > Anyway, here’s my wild-ass guesses/talking points/random thoughts/data points for later evaluation: > [ul] > [li]Very powerful roles, only one or two in the game: Becil Madams, Ned Gotti, Terry[/li][li]Power Roles: Administator, Moderator[/li][li]Multiple players have these roles: Members and Charter Members[/li][li]I’m lumping together Guest, Junior Mod, Celebrity, Mafia Player, Feuder, Politico and SDSAB in a category I call “meaningless names added to take up space in the potential roster”. No more than one or two are actually in the game.[/li][li]I don’t believe we have a “Technician” – Terry _is_ the Technician, isn’t he?[/li][li]I don’t believe the “Hacker” is necessarily scum. Very well could be, but that’s a very loose term.[/li][li]In all likelihood, Troll, Sock Puppet and Jerk _are_ scum. Yes, there could be a pro-town Jerk, or a PFK Sock Puppet, but I’ll lean towards these three being the scum. Outside chance that Pit Dweller is one of them as well.[/li][li]Along with them, it seems we have at least semi-confirmation that Mark Wit is scum.[/li][/ul] > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Not really…here’s what I said: Don’t focus so much on the “Quite right” as the “…but […] it’s pretty much all we’re got right now”. > > “Playing For Keeps”. It stems from roles in the off-board Batman game which were neither town nor scum, but were rather trying to fill a third-party objective in order to get a win on their own. > And damnit…I was _SO_ close! These two things pinged me. I’ve seen discussion (don’t remember who, though) about a scum tactic called ‘anti-lurking’–basically, the player talks often, and in big posts, but never really says anything that resembles taking a stance on something important. Hal has struck me as doing this. Not sure if it’s vote worthy yet, but it’s worth noting. > [@Pleonast](#): > > You have no faith in our collective scum-finding abilities through vote and text analysis? For shame. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > I’m against random voting in general. It can be useful for jump starting discussion, but we seem to have that going now. > > The bad thing about random voting is that it leaves no justification. We need players to give _reasons_ why they vote. First, when you’re dead and turn up Town, we can go back and see what you were thinking. We’ll get the perspective a player we can trust. Second, if you’re dead and turn up scum, we can try to figure out what manipulations you were up to. > > So, please, always clearly state your reasons for voting. > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > I think this setup does not lend itself to a mass claim. We have both vanilla and pro-Town power roles, so a truthful reveal by Townies hurts us a lot. I don’t think it’s worth it for the lies we’ll be forcing the scum to tell. How does Pleo know we have vanilla roles? It’s certainly a reasonable assumption to make, but still… > [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Let’s make things interesting in here, why don’t we? > > I’m Terry, the board’s doctor. > > I kind of think that’s a misspelling (the doctor part, not the Terry part), because my powers seem to align more with what Jerry, the board directors powers would be, and have nothing at all to do with what a Mafia Doctor would do. > > My powers are not confirmable in any way I can see at this time. However, with more information, that might change. My powers have to do with being able to extend the length of the Day. However, there has to be a very precise game mechanism that happens in order for me to be able to extend a given Day. The old deadline and extension will not be announced publicly, hence the reason my powers aren’t really confirmable. The only way I can think they would be is is somebody else knows when the day was _supposed_ to end, and the Day didn’t end at that time. > > I’m announcing now to give us a data point to start working off of, and because my power isn’t really powerful enough to effect the game directly (i.e. not investigative, protective, etc.), so it seems me giving a data point will be more useful than holding this info back. Given the sort of things that Santo’s done before, this is unsuprising. Says jackall about his alignment, but it’s unsurprising. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > 20%? Well, I have a guess about what you’re referring to. Kind of a ‘win-more’ bonus power? > > In any event, if your role really is Board Doctor, then we’re a little disadvantaged by the fact that our doc isn’t a protective role, but a discussion prolonger. I don’t really see the advantage you’ve given us by role revealing this early, even if your power is of mediocre utility. > > I think it’s unlikely you’re lying about your rolename, but even if everything is as you say it is, what possible benefit do you think you’ve given the town by coming out now? And you _can_ see the bennies for scum by allowing a half-assed role reveal, allowing the ‘true’ power role pool to shrink, yes? What, exactly, is a “‘win-more’ bonus power”? > [@ok11](#): > > Does the “less than ten votes” refer to something in the rules? Or are you just saying that hypothetically? This question needs to be answered. Note, however, that OK is referring to a post made during night, though just before the dawn. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I’m so torn here. I want to move my vote, but my desires to catch out the first-time-player-scum-third-vote-is-a-scumtell and my desires to leap onto a lynch-train gathering steam. > > Four votes on a player is a little much when we don’t know if there’s more than one day left in this Day, and I don’t know how much I really buy the third vote deal, even if it does seem to hold some water when the vote is placed by a new player. > > I’ll Unban: JaySexy for now, though. Why does Squidio want to jump on a lynch train? He hasn’t offered any thoughts on my general scummyness or townieness, he just wants to jump on the train. That seems really suspicious, though it’s mitigated by the fact that he said it out loud. As for the chestnut he’s torn between, I’m not sure how valid it is. Remember, we don’t know when the scum can communicate; they may already have, they may currently be, they may not have yet. If they have, then the 3rd vote thing is invalid, since the other players would have likely informed him. The entire reasoning seems highly flawed for a townie. OTOH, it appears Boozy Squid has also gone through this thought process himself. This would seem to make it less suspicious, but–in my opinion–it actually looks worse that way, because if he was actually paying attention, he wouldn’t have posted it. Thus, he was either being inattentive (unlikely, given we’re talking about Boozahol), or he is a scum deliberatly agonizing over his vote choice to keep the main suspects from being scum. **Vote Boozahol Squid, P.I.** > [@JSexton](#): > > That was less helpful than it could have been. For reference, who is who? I’m new(ish). Boozahol Squid used to be Diomedes. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/265 "2008-11-04T00:17:21Z")
[quote=“Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I, post:242, topic:470198”] 20%? Well, I have a guess about what you’re referring to. Kind of a ‘win-more’ bonus power? > [@](#): > > Huh? > > > [@](#): > > > > In any event, if your role really is Board Doctor, then we’re a little disadvantaged by the fact that our doc isn’t a protective role, but a discussion prolonger. I don’t really see the advantage you’ve given us by role revealing this early, even if your power is of mediocre utility. > > As has been said (by others, as well as by me in my first post, there is no reason to think there’s not a role that has protective capabilities. > [@](#): > > I think it’s unlikely you’re lying about your rolename, but even if everything is as you say it is, what possible benefit do you think you’ve given the town by coming out now? A data point. People are talking about this and that about what if Ed and Jerry are this or that. I’m just coming right out and saying that I know what the role of Terry is and what he does. If everybody is going to be speculating wildly about who does what based on what _their_ role is, I figured the town might as well have another point of reference to be able to compare. How many times has it been said that scum have info, and town has numbers? I’ve given the town my info without sacrificing my number (yet). Like I said, I thought about it for a bit, and don’t see how it can actively \*hurt \* the Town. > [@](#): > > And you _can_ see the bennies for scum by allowing a half-assed role reveal, allowing the ‘true’ power role pool to shrink, yes? Not quite. They’re just as likely to off a Vanilla if they think I’m not worth going after. I see null advantage on that front, good sir. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/266 "2008-11-04T00:29:58Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Given the sort of things that Santo’s done before, this is unsuprising. Care to elaborate, for humor’s sake? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/267 "2008-11-04T00:30:00Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Rapier = Kid Vermicious > > Santo Rugger = Pygmy Rugger Thanks. > [@pedescribe](#): > > These two things pinged me. I’ve seen discussion (don’t remember who, though) about a scum tactic called ‘anti-lurking’–basically, the player talks often, and in big posts, but never really says anything that resembles taking a stance on something important. Hal has struck me as doing this. Not sure if it’s vote worthy yet, but it’s worth noting. Interesting. I call that lurking in plain sight. It’s kind of odd to accuse someone of that within, what, 8 hours of days starting? There’s not much hard evidence so far _to_ take a stance on. > [@](#): > > How does Pleo know we have vanilla roles? It’s certainly a reasonable assumption to make, but still… Because it says so in the opening post? Beyond that, are you fishing to see if Pleo is vanilla? > [@](#): > > What, exactly, is a “‘win-more’ bonus power”? More fishing. Why do you need to know this? Hasn’t Santo revealed enough? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/268 "2008-11-04T00:46:59Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Interesting. I call that lurking in plain sight. It’s kind of odd to accuse someone of that within, what, 8 hours of days starting? There’s not much hard evidence so far _to_ take a stance on. Which is why I didn’t pursue it further. I was just noting that for future reference. > [@JSexton](#): > > Because it says so in the opening post? Beyond that, are you fishing to see if Pleo is vanilla? It does? Lemme check…so it does. Okay. I sorta glazed over that. Never mind then. > [@JSexton](#): > > More fishing. Why do you need to know this? Hasn’t Santo revealed enough? I wasn’t asking Santo. I was asking Boozy. And Santo asked Boozy too, two posts up, so it’s not like I’m the only one confused. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/269 "2008-11-04T00:53:57Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Which is why I didn’t pursue it further. I was just noting that for future reference. Either its significant or its not. If it is, why drop it? If its not, why bring it up? > [@](#): > > It does? Lemme check…so it does. Okay. I sorta glazed over that. Never mind then. But why did you ask? How does asking that question help you find scum, which ought to be your primary objective? > [@](#): > > I wasn’t asking Santo. I was asking Boozy. And Santo asked Boozy too, two posts up, so it’s not like I’m the only one confused. Again, why? What purpose does it serve? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/270 "2008-11-04T01:08:18Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I’m sorry, but I have to say I don’t see the logic here in this move. I would make a suggestion that you try to keep that which you left ambiguous unconfirmed. The precise value of killing you cannot be calculated without knowing whether or not you know the current deadline, what conditions are required to allow you to extend it, and by how much you can extend it. > > However, I am willing to say that, as boneheaded as I think this is, that I also think that it’s unlikely to be scum motivated. Concerning whether or not I knew the current deadline: If I did, I would tell everybody, and there wouldn’t be much of a point in **Og** not telling us. Concerning the conditions required to allow me to extend it and how long I can extend it: I already took your advice before I read your post. 😉 And, being called a bonehead from **BlaM** , oddly, seems like a compliment. I’ll take it! ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/271 "2008-11-04T01:20:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Snipped and bolding mine.:eek: > [@peekercpa](#): > > Snipped. > > Well I was going to say more along the lines of i **dio** syncratic. You clearly are reading along. Any reason you aren’t participating? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/272 "2008-11-04T01:29:37Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Either its significant or its not. If it is, why drop it? If its not, why bring it up? It is significant enough to examine, just not significant enough to act upon (unless/until I get other corroborating evidence). > [@JSexton](#): > > But why did you ask? How does asking that question help you find scum, which ought to be your primary objective? I thought maybe he was referring to vanilla scum. He said roles in a very pointed way. But that point is moot now. > [@JSexton](#): > > Again, why? What purpose does it serve? I’ve never seen the term. I’d like to know what he’s talking about. And if it doesn’t jibe, I’d like to point that out too, but I won’t know until he defines it. Now that you’ve nitpicked my minor ponderings, tell me; what do you think of my case against Boozy? ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/273 "2008-11-04T02:05:53Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I thought maybe he was referring to vanilla scum. He said roles in a very pointed way. But that point is moot now. What pointed way was that? The exact phrase was “vanilla and pro-Town power roles”, so my first impression would be that he’s differentiating vanilla roles from power roles. I wouldn’t be inclined to think “vanilla scum” from that comment. > [@](#): > > Now that you’ve nitpicked my minor ponderings, tell me; what do you think of my case against Boozy? Not too much. If **Boozy** hadn’t’ve brought it up, someone else would have, since it’s a semi-legitimate discussion point on Day One in a newbie-player evaluation. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/274 "2008-11-04T02:22:28Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > This question needs to be answered. Note, however, that OK is referring to a post made during night, though just before the dawn. It was during the Day, not at night. Post 181 started the day. **Amrussell** ’s post was 184. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/275 "2008-11-04T02:25:42Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > You clearly are reading along. Any reason you aren’t participating? You have seen my new signature line haven’t you? Ok I’ll lay it out for you since, to be honest, I’ve never seen you around before. Welcome, however. I can merely browse and post intermittently during the day and typically do all my heavy drinking and analysis at night or on weekends. Talk to some of the grey beards and they can confirm this. Early on in these games there is a certain amount of static. I will continue to do my part. However, repeating about getting votes in early, especially because of the unknown nature of Day end, the obligatory random vote discussion and the mass claim suggestion, have to some extent become a little passe. I’ve matured to an extent. Kind of like a nice Pinot Noir. One that you would be happy to serve with Kobe beef and some freshly steamed asparagus, along with a side salad and a bananas foster for dessert (you could go for a crepe suzette but that would entail brandy and it is a weeknight after all). For fucks sake we are what eleven hours into this puppy so if you want a list of scum you are going to have to wait until after tomorrow’s morning dump. Sheesh. Now for the truly insightful analysis. Obama carries California, McCain wins Texas. And **pede** is pinging me - but then he always does. And **Jsexton** (with whom I have never had the honor of being in a game with) looks to be a hungry dog with a bone. And **BLAM** ’s non random random vote comments are, as always, perplexing yet intriguing. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/276 "2008-11-04T02:37:34Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I thought maybe he was referring to vanilla scum. He said roles in a very pointed way. But that point is moot now. I don’t believe you. You’re backtracking. Confirm vote. > [@](#): > > Now that you’ve nitpicked my minor ponderings, tell me; what do you think of my case against Boozy? Since I don’t think you’re bussing a scumbuddy, I’m not impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/277 "2008-11-04T02:45:07Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I don’t believe you. You’re backtracking. Confirm vote. I…what? What does ‘confirm vote’ mean? And I am not backtracking, that’s what I thought when I reread Pleo’s post. > [@JSexton](#): > > Since I don’t think you’re bussing a scumbuddy, I’m not impressed. I’m not even sure I can respond to this one. And I’m certainly not making out with Boozy 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/278 "2008-11-04T03:11:58Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > For fucks sake we are what eleven hours into this puppy so if you want a list of scum you are going to have to wait until after tomorrow’s morning dump. Relax man. I don’t know your style. It was a valid question. I think there is enough content here for others to discuss. I’m going to cut back posting until everyone else has had a chance to weigh in. I’ll be keeping my eye on the thread and will respond to any direct questions. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/279 "2008-11-04T03:12:30Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > You clearly are reading along. Any reason you aren’t participating? Uh, the presence of posts contraindicates non participation. Separate Vote. Who wants me to post more often? Strawman argument. Troll? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/280 "2008-11-04T03:22:03Z")
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