# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/341 "2008-11-04T19:04:55Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I must have someone different vote for me every Day or I will be modkilled at the end of the Day. > > And to head off anyone yelling PFK at me, I am not the Joker from Batman. I do not have a killing role based on people voting for me or anything of that nature. While you might not be killing anyone, this totally sounds like a third party role to me… I even like Santo’s ‘Troll’ explanation for the color behind it. **ban: Nanook** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/342 "2008-11-04T19:09:35Z")
Sorry about disappearing but that hangover was almost as bad as the lack of sleep catching up with me. I’ve read back through the day and I believe the **peeker/amrussell** claim so I’m going to move past that. I’m not convinced by any of the cases so far and I’m going to stick with lynch the lurker at least for Day 1, unless a good case presents itself. So far the people with the least number of post having to do with the game are **Diggit, Kat, OAOW, Me, Peeker, Pleo, Shadow, and Zerial** at between 0-1. I think that life does affect our ability to play the game, but as NAF showed us in C2 it can be faked. We have ~12 hrs left in the day so there should be a concerted effort to get a vote down. Both **peeker, and diggit** have been here to make a vote and have failed to do so. The rest of us haven’t had much to say. **Amrussell** has already started leaning on digit and I am inclined to follow her lead since she is confirmed in my mind and we can begin forming a block for town to vote as to eliminate scum influencing. **Ban Diggit** Just to give the list for the rest of you to use ```auto g t amrussell 6 6 Blaster Master 8 8 Boozahol Squid, P.I 12 13 DiggitCamara 4 Fretful Porpentine 3 3 Hal Briston 3 4 Hero From Sector 7G 13 14 JSexton 11 13 Kat 1 1 Nanook of the North Shore 3 3 NaturalBlondChap 3 3 ok11 5 5 One And Only Wanderers 1 2 Oredigger77 1 1 pedescribe 18 19 peekercpa 4 Pleonast 1 3 Rapier42 7 11 Santo Rugger 10 16 ShadowFacts 1 1 Total Lost 4 4 Zerial 1 1 Zsofia 7 11 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/343 "2008-11-04T19:12:50Z")
That looks horrible here is a second shot at it: ```auto game total amrussell 6 6 Blaster Master 8 8 Boozahol Squid, P.I 12 13 DiggitCamara 0 4 Fretful Porpentine 3 3 Hal Briston 3 4 Hero From Sector 7G 13 14 JSexton 11 13 Kat 1 1 Nanook of the North Shore 3 3 NaturalBlondChap 3 3 ok11 5 5 One And Only Wanderers 1 2 Oredigger77 1 1 pedescribe 18 19 peekercpa 0 4 Pleonast 1 3 Rapier42 7 11 Santo Rugger 10 16 ShadowFacts 1 1 Total Lost 4 4 Zerial 1 1 Zsofia 7 11 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/344 "2008-11-04T19:13:54Z")
I give up. I need to quite trying to post my spreadsheets. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/345 "2008-11-04T19:26:41Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > What is this something else you could see it being? Assuming you were asking me: I just wanted to make it clear that I did see the claim in anyway confirming you as town… at the time! I’m still not sure why you did it - a part from the “scum has info and town has numbers” - I’m not sure what info I get from your claim. But I have been thinking about it for a while and I seriously think you have a compulsive claiming disorder 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/346 "2008-11-04T19:30:26Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Assuming you were asking me: I just wanted to make it clear that I did see the claim in anyway confirming you as town… at the time! I wasn’t claiming that it did > [@](#): > > I’m still not sure why you did it - a part from the “scum has info and town has numbers” - I’m not sure what info I get from your claim. You know, or will find out soon enough, that Terry, and therefore likely the other names that simply have a transposed spelling of one of TPTB (The Powers That Be), are Town [/quote] > [@](#): > > But I have been thinking about it for a while and I seriously think you have a compulsive claiming disorder 🙂 It’s hard for me to keep a secret! I got kicked out of the bar last time I was in my college hometown because I told the owner that I would _love_ to have a discreet relationship with her, but that it would never work, because as soon as it happened, I would tell _everybody._ ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/347 "2008-11-04T19:32:56Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > True, it sounds like a concern that the discussion is useless for town, but it does _not_ look like a concern that “at this point role discussion could benefit scum more than town.” If **Rapier42** thinks that either **Hero From Sector 7G** or I (or both) interpreted his post incorrectly, hopefully he’ll let us know. Otherwise, I’ll drop it for now, and move on to the 3rd part of the post. Rapier clarified and I acknowledged his clarification. As for me not posting my own thoughts, I figured it was pretty clear that I was opposed to massive role discussion as the _first_ thing we talk about. And I certainly have been posting other thoughts. If you believe **ped** , than the mason chain is exposed and won’t be useful in the end-game. IMO this is a setback that could have been avoided if **ped** had been a little more patient and not determined to find the other charter members. > [@](#): > > It’s true that **NaturalBlondChap** was the one who started talking about roles. However, after him, several others (including me) speculated about the meanings of various role names, without “any reservations.” (Again, to me it seems like **Rapier42** belongs in this category, rather than the “concerned” category). Why did **Hero From Sector 7G** single-out **NBC**? NBC was the first to bring up the subject. Of the people discussing it **ped** seemed to be the only one running with it. The connection was of curiosity to me. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/348 "2008-11-04T19:42:43Z")
[color="blue]ban: nanook [/quote] Nothing from what you described sounds pro-town. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/349 "2008-11-04T20:03:16Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > You know, or will find out soon enough, that Terry, and therefore likely the other names that simply have a transposed spelling of one of TPTB (The Powers That Be), are Town I don’t think confirmation of you as a pro-town power will say anything else about the status of pseudo-Cecil or Ed. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/350 "2008-11-04T20:06:36Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > **Amrussell** has already started leaning on digit and I am inclined to follow her lead since she is confirmed in my mind _His_ lead. For what it’s worth. On the other hand, you did put all the ls in Russell, so you’ve got a better memory for names than some I’m too polite to mention ( **pede** ). ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/351 "2008-11-04T20:07:17Z")
Interesting sequence of events, this. Having caught up, the byplay and claims are going to be interesting to say the least. Nanook’s claim is odd to say the least–the only thing the color fits other than a Troll would be something like a Pit Dweller who’d cease to exist if he stopped generating controversy. Boozy’s not as suspicious now as he was before to me, now that I know how little import his remark about Santo’s potential power had. Not sure about NBC, although I’m the first person to caution people about honest slips/brainfarts leading to rapid lynchtrains–see also me, in the Marvel game. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/352 "2008-11-04T20:08:35Z")
Top of the page vote count: 4: NBC (Santo, Nanook, Rapier, Pedescribe) 2: Hero from Sector 7G (OAOW, Ok11) 2: Diggit (Amrussell, Oredigger) 1: Nanook (Boozdio) 1: Boozdio (Zeriel) 1: Kat (Zsofia) 1: Hal Briston (Shadowfacts) ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/353 "2008-11-04T20:14:11Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I give up. I need to quite trying to post my spreadsheets. _lol_ I love the way you went from “lurker” to “poster” in no time!!! Don’t think you said much - but a very effective technique 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/354 "2008-11-04T20:18:48Z")
oh, yeah, and unban Boozy. I don’t have a solid read on who I want to replace him. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/355 "2008-11-04T20:24:32Z")
**VOTE: Hero From Sector 7G** Because of this: > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Waitaminute… > > If **amrussel** is the last person in the mason chain to have claimed, but not give the next in sequence, doesn’t that make him a likely night kill target as it breaks the chain? > > That is, once the masons reveal themselves their night death would actually benefit us, as we than have a whole lot of confirmed pro-town players that have no powers. If the chain isn’t completed the masons are still vulnerable. I just get a feeling that Hero Sf7G is trying to get the 1 (or more) in the mason chain to feel vulnerable, if they don’t claim. > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > On preview I see that **amrussel** is hoping to set some sort of protection trap? Is it fair to assume we have a real doctor, especially after the weak doctor reveal? > > Also, ped appears to be thinking along the same lines as me. If the night kill reveal has no information than my point is moot. I can’t help getting feeling of someone fishing for info - on a NOT need to know basis! > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > unban: pedescribe I thought Amrussell made a VERY good point in the “don’t unvote with out a new vote”-post. Why would Hero go an unvote so soon after - without a new vote? I know hero wasn’t the only one… but with the rest of my reasons I don’t mind placing my vote in Hero. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/356 "2008-11-04T20:25:12Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > _lol_ I love the way you went from “lurker” to “poster” in no time!!! > Don’t think you said much - but a very effective technique 😛 No I’m still a lurker I counted all of that as one post on my spreadsheet. If only I could have edited and avoided that mess. The only good thing is it at the bottom of a page and hopeful people won’t have to scroll by to too often. Oh and **Am** sorry about the sex mixup I keep reading your name as amy russell ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/357 "2008-11-04T20:50:00Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > If you believe **ped** , than the mason chain is exposed and won’t be useful in the end-game. IMO this is a setback that could have been avoided if **ped** had been a little more patient and not determined to find the other charter members. The advantage of the masons is that they can confirm themselves and each other. I’m not sure why you keep saying there’s some “endgame advantage”. If anything, it’s a disadvantage to hold out the mason claim, because you need to have two masons alive (or, in this case, particular masons alive) in order to confirm the claim. > [@amrussell](#): > > _His_ lead. For what it’s worth. On the other hand, you did put all the ls in Russell, so you’ve got a better memory for names than some I’m too polite to mention ( **pede** ). I see what you did there. :smack: 😃 > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Top of the page vote count: > > 4: NBC (Santo, Nanook, Rapier, Pedescribe) > 2: Hero from Sector 7G (OAOW, Ok11) > 2: Diggit (Amrussell, Oredigger) > 1: Nanook (Boozdio) > 1: Boozdio (Zeriel) > 1: Kat (Zsofia) > 1: Hal Briston (Shadowfacts) **O wise and powerful Og, did you not see my previous prayer? Would you please answer it, so as to help us determine proper strategy?** > [@pedescribe](#): > > Out of all the people who’ve been talking, I’m still most suspicious of Squidio. > > But Nanook hasn’t been talking at all, and Kat’s only posted once–Shadow hasn’t either, but he said he wouldn’t in advance. > > Before I ponder further, a question: > > **O mighty Og, how shall you smite those who ignore you? Shall they disappear, without any indication of alignment or role? Or will you be so kind as to reveal who they were working for and their official title?** Size added for effect. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/358 "2008-11-04T20:57:22Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > O mighty \*\* Og \*\*, how shall you smite those who ignore you? Shall they disappear, without any indication of alignment or role? Or will you be so kind as to reveal who they were working for and their official title? \*\* Og \*\*shalt not be bound to a specific punishment for thy transgressions, lest thou attemptest to use the knowledge to steer \*\* Og \*\* into acting against the interests of a fair Game. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/359 "2008-11-04T21:07:37Z")
To clarify, the specific punishment is less important (to me, at least), than whether or not we find out the players alignment and/or powers upon their death. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/360 "2008-11-04T21:10:33Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Rapier clarified and I acknowledged his clarification. I remember you doing that for **Hal Briston** , but not for **Rapier42**. I’ll look for it later tonight/tomorrow, but just in case I won’t find it, could you link that post for me please? > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > As for me not posting my own thoughts, I figured it was pretty clear that I was opposed to massive role discussion as the _first_ thing we talk about. And I certainly have been posting other thoughts. It wasn’t clear to me. It seemed like you didn’t want us to talk about it at all, and at the time didn’t offer any alternative topic. If you had at least mentioned why you didn’t think discussing roles would benefit town, people could present counterarguments. Posting only questions seemed like something scum might do, because it didn’t leave you open to any criticism, and yet enabled you to make non-fluff posts. That being said, I am not trying to minimize your participation. You’ve definitely made some good contributions. For example, I thought it was great that you questioned **peekercpa** ’s level of participation. I realize that many players have certain styles, which should be taken into account. OTOH, it seems hypocritical to give **peekercpa** a free pass, but vote for **DiggitCamara** , when their level of participation has been somewhat similar thus far. Also, your explanation about **NBC** makes sense. For now, I’ll leave my vote where it is, because I don’t have a better candidate. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Nanook’s claim is odd to say the least–the only thing the color fits other than a Troll would be something like a Pit Dweller who’d cease to exist if he stopped generating controversy. He could be a Mod as well, who loses “street cred” if he’s not regularly pitted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=19)