# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/521 "2008-11-06T19:14:44Z")
> [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > Nanook, you say you felt you had to lay out a partial claim, for the dull wittted amongst us (well me really) why did you feel you had to lay out a partial claim at that point? As soon as I saw my role, I knew I had two options for how to attack it. One, play in such a way as to get people to vote for me in dribs and drabs naturally. This is extremely difficult to pull off. Either I act too scummy and I get bandwagoned or enough unique people vote for me that I might as well have gotten lynched. It also makes it really hard for people to look at my posting record, since I would be acting at least somewhat falsely. Or I could do what I did, which is claim and throw myself on the mercy of the town. At the time this seemed like the better option since I wouldn’t be lying to everyone all over the place. In hindsight, I regret choosing that option since all it did was get people jumping all over me. I should have learned from Skrull Planet and kept my damn mouth shut. As for why do it then, when I had already met my requirement for the Day? Waiting just seemed like a worse idea then coming out immediately. I was wrong of course, since if I had waited I wouldn’t have instantly been multiple people’s number 1 target and I would have had more options for defense. But that struck me as a worse play for Town overall, so I didn’t choose it. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/522 "2008-11-06T19:15:50Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m completely prepared to pull a NAF and punish bad play in this game. Wait, you’re willing to hurt the town’s chances even further as some sort of spiteful act? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/523 "2008-11-06T19:22:31Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Wait, you’re willing to hurt the town’s chances even further as some sort of spiteful act? Yes and no. It’s less of a spiteful act and more of a long term benefit sort of thing. There’s been a lot of discussion lately about how Town has become complacent and reliant on power roles. It cost them in Cecilvania, and may end up costing them in Skrull Planet. If my refusing to reveal more leads people to break out of their complaceny, then that’s a good thing for Town, not a bad thing. I’d be lying though if I said I wasn’t slightly pissed off that for the second game in a row I’m getting hounded for doing something that is to my mind a pro-town move. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/524 "2008-11-06T19:23:37Z")
Oh and I forgot to mention, none of that really applies to you Hero, since you’re new to our games you and therefore obviously can’t be infected with the complaceny others have been. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/525 "2008-11-06T19:25:46Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > But what about Pleo’s plan to simply let him die via modkill? Why spend a lynch if we don’t have to? I think this is a idea worth considering but it seems to have such a large downside. The first being loss of knowledge. If he is town it would seem that not knowing his role and alignment would hurt the town more so based on the illustrious Og’s ruling that is what would happen. If he is scum or PFK then it would probably be revealed there by hurting those factions more. What we are hoping for is a mod kill of scum, but if we think he is scum why not lynch. the second problem I see is giving him time to use his ability specifically two nights and three Days it would make sense that given the limited life time that he has admitted to that his power will be most useful in the first couple of days so why give him a chance to use it at all. > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > If he were pro-town, don’t you think he’d reveal his super power? We are at 48+ hours (overtime) and Nanook is willing to take his secret to the grave as more and more votes pile on him. > > Second, most powers in Mafia games target specific people. If he is a third party it is more likely his powers will randomly target us. > > . . . > > There aren’t any other players right now that stand out as particularly scummy, and Nanook is a potential grenade. Seems like a good day 1 vote to me when my other option is relying on a hunch. I think this is a pretty good point up until the last paragraph because the **Diggit** lynch is also starting to look pretty good and that is where I will transfer to if we decided to let **Nanook** live until Day 3. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/526 "2008-11-06T20:16:21Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I think this is a pretty good point up until the last paragraph because the **Diggit** lynch is also starting to look pretty good and that is where I will transfer to if we decided to let **Nanook** live until Day 3. …what is the Diggit lynch case besides ‘He’s not participating’ (which has already been explained)? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/527 "2008-11-06T20:25:55Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > …what is the Diggit lynch case besides ‘He’s not participating’ (which has already been explained)? It has been explained - but not by Diggt himself. I still feel Hero is scum, but I agree with not lynching Nanook. If Nanook is: Scum - why would he make that claim - very risky and with what aim? (if not to GET a lot of votes - and then Town is playing his game) Not Town nor Scum - he might be able to hurt Town (then again might hurt scum - if we don’t lynch they might NK - I’ll be okay with that) Town - let’s wait and see what will happen Unvote HERO VOTE DIGGIT ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/528 "2008-11-06T20:40:58Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Well… my reasons are similar, but not equal (when I signed up for this I pretty much expected to be out of the external game). > > (snipped) > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > It has been explained - but not by Diggt himself. > > (snipped) Actually, I did explain it. Maybe you just didn’t see it? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/529 "2008-11-06T20:45:56Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Yes and no. It’s less of a spiteful act and more of a long term benefit sort of thing. There’s been a lot of discussion lately about how Town has become complacent and reliant on power roles. It cost them in Cecilvania, and may end up costing them in Skrull Planet. If my refusing to reveal more leads people to break out of their complaceny, then that’s a good thing for Town, not a bad thing. I’d be lying though if I said I wasn’t slightly pissed off that for the second game in a row I’m getting hounded for doing something that is to my mind a pro-town move. You realize, of course, that this is going to make us pro-town guys who AREN’T piling on your ass more inclined to vote for you to spite your spite. Come on, man, spite is not only unbecoming but it makes the game less fun–get a claim out there, if you’re anything. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/530 "2008-11-06T20:47:23Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Actually, I did explain it. Maybe you just didn’t see it? Sorry - I didn’t read it as “you would not be in this game” - I thought you were saying it as in “I’ll not be posting that much” My mistake - but if you don’t have the time… I’ll be okay with my vote on you for now (sorry if you ARE busy - but I’m not in that game) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/531 "2008-11-06T20:53:59Z")
I would caution anyone new to the game against taking Nanook’s discussion of spite etc. as anything other than a null tell–we’ve had instances where people have got vehement on an issue at best tangentially related to the games, and those people have been both scum and town. I’m tempted to make a vote for DiggitCamara solely to make it less likely that Nanook gets lynched. Oh, and **ok11**? I am not going to be bullied into having a vote out if I’m not sure of who should get my vote. I do not believe in random voting once discussion has started as nicely as it has, and I don’t believe I have enough information right now to decide whether I’m more inclined to lynch Diggit or Nanook (who are tied at 6 each by my count) or whether I want to push NBC, leaving out the possibility of throwing my vote away somewhere else in the pool. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/532 "2008-11-06T21:10:15Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > You realize, of course, that this is going to make us pro-town guys who AREN’T piling on your ass more inclined to vote for you to spite your spite. Come on, man, spite is not only unbecoming but it makes the game less fun–get a claim out there, if you’re anything. You are one of the people I respect as a good player Zeriel, so for you I will set aside my feelings and put a little more info out there. Those of you that are familiar with the offboard games will understand what I’m saying here. Those of you that aren’t, well, you’ll have to ask someone to explain it to you. I want to be clear that I am not claiming anything. I’m just…mentioning things in context. In one of the offboard games, Blade Runner which no longer appears to be available, there was a role that was lynched on Day 1 I believe. He was a town aligned replicant with powers and restrictions. Someone else that played in it can explain it better than I I’m sure. With that said, I will have nothing further to say on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/533 "2008-11-06T21:21:49Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > In one of the offboard games, Blade Runner which no longer appears to be available, there was a role that was lynched on Day 1 I believe. Ok, I wasn’t going to post in this game anywhere, but I can’t let this sort of thing go uncorrected. So in the name of preserving our collective history I give you [Bladerunner](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=caanan) And while I am here see also the [mafia Wiki](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Main_Page) Everyone in this game should make sure that they have a profile set up at least. Just saying. Ok, now I am out. (I love that someone is planning on “pulling a NAF” BTW.) ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/534 "2008-11-06T21:57:22Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > So in the name of preserving our collective history I give you > [Bladerunner](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=caanan) Thanks for the link. I looked for it, but somehow missed it. > [@](#): > > (I love that someone is planning on “pulling a NAF” BTW.) You’ve had a lasting impression beyond being a Gastard, what can I say. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/535 "2008-11-06T22:43:06Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > …what is the Diggit lynch case besides ‘He’s not participating’ (which has already been explained)? **ok11** makes a pretty good point and I am curious why there weren’t more me two votes with two confirmed town on him. > [@ok11](#): > > If I had to pick one, I’d go with **DiggitCamara** (consider this a fair warning). Two C.M.s voted for him last time, and no one jumped at the opportunity to build a band wagon. If he was town, this would be a safe place to put a vote. > > Based on that (admittedly weak) reasoning, I think **DiggitCamara** might be scum. I’m not voting for him yet, because I’d like to see what others think. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/536 "2008-11-06T23:06:34Z")
Arguments rage. Votes fly. Fingers are pointed, accusations made. Through all this the Sun has shed it’s radiance over the debaters… and continues to do so. Votecount as of Dawn + 80!Nanook o/t North Shore : 6 (BS PI, Hero from Sector 7G, Peekercpa, Oredigger77, DiggitCamara, NBC) DiggitCamara : 6 (amrussell, ok11, JSexton, Rapier42, ShadowFacts, Total Lost) NaturalBlondChap : 4 (Santo Rugger, Nanook o/t North Shore, Hal Briston, Pedescribe) Peekercpa : 2 (Pleonast, Fretful Porpenntine) Hero from Sector 7G : 1 (One and Only Wanderers) Kat : 1 (Zsofia) Zeriel : 1 (Kat) This votecoutn brought to you by **FSM** productions.Carry on. For a while… ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/537 "2008-11-06T23:10:25Z")
If we decide to no vote for **Nanook** tomorrow I am willing to change my vote to prevent a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/538 "2008-11-06T23:22:48Z")
While I’m undecided if we should test **Nanook** ’s claim, I think those currently voting for him are rushing to lynch without properly thinking through the mechanics. And I’m certainly going to hold current voters accountable if **Nanook** turns out to be Town. There’s no good reason to vote for him now. If you think he’s not Town, you can test his claim Tomorrow. If you think he’s Town, you shouldn’t be voting for him anyway. And I will be using similar logic Tomorrow: anyone who votes for him then will be highly suspect. If you think he’s not Town, you should not vote for him Tomorrow, to test his claim). And likewise, if you think he’s Town, you still shouldn’t be voting for him, because you should be voting for scum. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/539 "2008-11-06T23:22:50Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > **ok11** makes a pretty good point and I am curious why there weren’t more me two votes with two confirmed town on him. That’s not the way scum think, though. Scum are more than happy to let town lynch town without their intervention. Think about it: if (later on) someone’s confirmed as scum and they jumped on a lynching wagon to launch a kill of someone else, it’s easy to identify them. It’s actually better for scum to hold back. If scum gets lynched, it’s actually better for them to jump on the bandwagon (for later “reputation”). Remember: scum only need one player at the end to win. They can afford to lose all but one of their team. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/540 "2008-11-06T23:27:45Z")
I really don’t need that kind of scare anymore, so it’s time to use the old self preservation instinct. **Unvote NBC Vote Diggit** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=28)