# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/541 "2008-11-06T23:28:41Z")
I’m not particularly concerned over Nanook swinging today, since he’s going to bite it soon anyway. I’m hoping for an NBC lynch, because he sounds scummy and has made a bit more than his fair share of logic torture. **NBC, how many games have you played? And in how many were you town?** I am not satisfied with the DiggitCamera lynch, since all we know is that he hasn’t been participating much, and he wasn’t piled on when it would have been convenient (for which there could be multiple factors). Diggit needs to get his butt in here. If it comes down to it, I’d be willing to move my vote back to Nanook to prevent a tie, but I hope that I don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/542 "2008-11-06T23:29:55Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > That’s not the way scum think, though. > > Scum are more than happy to let town lynch town without their intervention. > > Think about it: if (later on) someone’s confirmed as scum and they jumped on a lynching wagon to launch a kill of someone else, it’s easy to identify them. It’s actually better for scum to hold back. If scum gets lynched, it’s actually better for them to jump on the bandwagon (for later “reputation”). > > Remember: scum only need one player at the end to win. They can afford to lose all but one of their team. Hey diggit. What say you about NBC? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/543 "2008-11-06T23:39:49Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m not particularly concerned over Nanook swinging today, since he’s going to bite it soon anyway. I’m hoping for an NBC lynch, because he sounds scummy and has made a bit more than his fair share of logic torture. > > **NBC, how many games have you played? And in how many were you town?** > > I am not satisfied with the DiggitCamera lynch, since all we know is that he hasn’t been participating much, and he wasn’t piled on when it would have been convenient (for which there could be multiple factors). > > Diggit needs to get his butt in here. > > If it comes down to it, I’d be willing to move my vote back to Nanook to prevent a tie, but I hope that I don’t have to. Well… I’ve been trying to avoid this as much as I can, but I prefer to disclose my role to letting town getting bitten in the ass (much though we deserve it). I’m your faithful Administrator. I won’t be disclosing my powers (I’m giving away too much as it is). However: my powers are definitely verifiable. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/544 "2008-11-06T23:42:13Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Hey diggit. What say you about NBC? … dunno. Should I say something about him? (He’s a peacock?)😕 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/545 "2008-11-07T00:48:03Z")
It occurs to me…I’ve been assuming that the day ending would be more or less random…but perhaps it’s not. Perhaps there’s some sort of secret criteria that ends the day each day once we’ve hit it (rounding to the nearest hour, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/546 "2008-11-07T01:01:49Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > **NBC, how many games have you played? And in how many were you town?** How many games is this for you NBC? 7., … forbidden threads. How many live games ? 3 … including this one Well if we can’t get an Aliens reference in, it just wouldn’t be a SMDB themed mafia game. This is my third game. I was indeed scum in Conspiracy 2, although a Cabal member so was trying to play for town and genuinely hunt wolves, alas my method screamed scum and I was killed by wolves through a kill redirect from a town who figured I was scum of one faction or the other. I was also scum in the T2 game just finished, although I was the Jester , so sort of had act scummy to get lynched. That said my first post that Story jumped all over was intended as a pro town post and I really didn’t intend to smudge Sach, just act as a townie asking questions. Apparently I ooze scuminess. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/547 "2008-11-07T01:03:15Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > (He’s a peacock?)😕 😕 me too. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/548 "2008-11-07T01:15:39Z")
I don’t know what to do about **DiggitCamara** yet. Probably gotta err on the side of caution and unvote him. Won’t unvote yet, though, due to the way ties work in this game, and because I haven’t picked anyone to take his place. **Pedescribe** ’s post made me re-read Og’s commandments, and I discovered that my assumption about Day length was wrong. I thought that the Day would last 2-6 days, based on random numbers in 24-hour increments. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > And **Og** spake forth the Ten Commandments, saying: - > > 1. Each Day shall last no fewer than 2 days and no more than 6. Verily shall a random number between 48 and 144 be generated. The day shall last that number of hours, then when the clock of the Board next striketh the hour, then shall the Day end. For no reason shalt the Day last fewer than 48 hours or endure longer than 144 hours. So, as it turns out, the 24-hour increment isn’t in the rules. That complicates things. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/549 "2008-11-07T01:51:02Z")
Diggit–give us the method by which you’ll be confirming your identity, pls, if nothing else. Nanook–convenient, but I’ll buy it for now. That leaves **vote NaturalBlondChap** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/550 "2008-11-07T02:05:40Z")
> [@NaturalBlondChap](#): > > How many games is this for you NBC? > 7., … forbidden threads. > How many live games ? > > 3 … including this one > > Well if we can’t get an Aliens reference in, it just wouldn’t be a SMDB themed mafia game. > This is my third game. > I was indeed scum in Conspiracy 2, although a Cabal member so was trying to play for town and genuinely hunt wolves, alas my method screamed scum and I was killed by wolves through a kill redirect from a town who figured I was scum of one faction or the other. > I was also scum in the T2 game just finished, although I was the Jester , so sort of had act scummy to get lynched. That said my first post that Story jumped all over was intended as a pro town post and I really didn’t intend to smudge Sach, just act as a townie asking questions. Apparently I ooze scuminess. Good thing I asked. This means that we have no confirmed evidence of you playing town yet. Meaning that the scummy playstyle I’m seeing might just be natural…which makes me conflicted. But not conflicted enough to move my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/551 "2008-11-07T02:07:18Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > I don’t know what to do about **DiggitCamara** yet. Probably gotta err on the side of caution and unvote him. Won’t unvote yet, though, due to the way ties work in this game, and because I haven’t picked anyone to take his place. > > **Pedescribe** ’s post made me re-read Og’s commandments, and I discovered that my assumption about Day length was wrong. I thought that the Day would last 2-6 days, based on random numbers in 24-hour increments. > So, as it turns out, the 24-hour increment isn’t in the rules. That complicates things. Indeed it does. I see, though, that there is no obscure trigger, which makes sense (if there was, I’m betting that we’d have it solved on day 3, 4 at the latest). In my opinion, what we should do is ignore it. Pretend we have the 48 hour deadline, then ignore all possible ending times–just keep playing until lights out. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/552 "2008-11-07T02:18:19Z")
Well, ok. Diggit, how are we to confirm you, please? **Unvote Diggit**. Nanook, I’ve stated in past games that I’m very much against soft claims. Assuming that your condition is as you’ve claimed, I can’t fault you for revealing it. Please understand that your failure to fully claim appears suspicious, and means we have to evaluate our votes for you based on the risk of losing unknown powers, rather than known ones. Until you give us a reason not to vote for you, its not fair to declare that lynching you is anti-town or poor play. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/553 "2008-11-07T02:32:55Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Diggit–give us the method by which you’ll be confirming your identity, pls, if nothing else. > > Nanook–convenient, but I’ll buy it for now. > > That leaves **vote NaturalBlondChap** (post de-colorized) Telling you that now would equal telling you my powers. Keep in mind: if I tell you my powers, I am telling scum as well. Do you want me to reveal them? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/554 "2008-11-07T02:36:25Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Ok, time to ignore work for a few and catch up here. > How does that look at all like a role claim? He’s implying that he has a power, but “I’m not vanilla” isn’t really a role claim, is it? > > However, it _does_ smell to me like scum playing coy – very casually saying you have a power, and leaving it at that – basically establishing groundwork for a false claim down the road is how I’m reading it. > > Vote **NaturalBlondChap** I am just using the word ‘power’ to describe the various role quirks and conditions that have been revealed. I alluded up thread that power was not a good word but I couldn’t think of another one. For example Nanooks ‘power’ is that he has to get a different person to vote for him. I still maintain everything that has been revealed so far indicates colour is important and his conditions strike me as being disruptive so he needs to be banned. Now given I am at least 12 hours out from most of you, and based on what Diggit has said, I can see a large swing towards Nanook or me coming up whilst I am slumbering and unable to respond, and the day is coming to an end. So I am town, I am not vanilla town, my role name is not confirmable or testable in anyway (other than being dead and it being revealed by OG) I think being unconfirmable in the end game will not help town at all, (based on what i saw in C2 and Terminator) so if you are going to mislynch town, it would be better to mislynch me rather than the admin or another town role. I would obviously rather we banned Nanook though, because of reasons stated above. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/555 "2008-11-07T02:51:18Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Telling you that now would equal telling you my powers. Keep in mind: if I tell you my powers, I am telling scum as well. > > Do you want me to reveal them? I’m probably going to get a lot of heat for this, but I don’t care. I want you to reveal them. If it’s a false claim, the less time you have to make stuff up, the better. We don’t know whether scum can talk during the Day, but they can definitely talk at Night. So if you’re scum, and Night suddenly falls, I don’t want the whole group to come up with a strategy for you. You’re the only one who claimed under pressure, so your role claim is the most suspicious to me right now. If you’re pro-town, I’m willing to give up whatever advantage we lose by revealing your role. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/556 "2008-11-07T02:54:25Z")
\*\*OG I did not decolourise my quote of Hal Briston in post 554. Not that I am saying you would ever skim a post and make a mistake and think I was voting for myself, but one of your minion vote tally dudes might. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/557 "2008-11-07T02:57:42Z")
Didn’t the mod already confirm that scum could talk during day? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/558 "2008-11-07T03:02:48Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > I’m probably going to get a lot of heat for this, but I don’t care. > > I want you to reveal them. If it’s a false claim, the less time you have to make stuff up, the better. We don’t know whether scum can talk during the Day, but they can definitely talk at Night. So if you’re scum, and Night suddenly falls, I don’t want the whole group to come up with a strategy for you. You’re the only one who claimed under pressure, so your role claim is the most suspicious to me right now. If you’re pro-town, I’m willing to give up whatever advantage we lose by revealing your role. ok11, are you new, or do you have experience elsewhere (or do you have a different screenname elsewhere)? Just curious. Anyway, I’m not much of a fan of magic bags either, but I’m willing to let this one slide–on one condition. Diggit. You never said _when_ your role is confirmable. If it’s confirmable by Tommorow, then you’re fine not revealing it, because if you don’t, we lynch you. OTOH, if it’s a gradual confirmation process, please tell us, because if you don’t, and you’re not confirmed Tommorow, we’re going to lynch you. > [@JSexton](#): > > Didn’t the mod already confirm that scum could talk during day? I don’t thing Og said anything to that effect. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/559 "2008-11-07T03:05:01Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Didn’t the mod already confirm that scum could talk during day? [Og works in mysterious ways](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10396755&postcount=237). [Quote=pedescribe] O mighty Og, are the scum allowed to talk during the day? Worth a shot. [/quote] [Quote=Hawkeyeop] It was. [/quote] **Pedescribe** , I’m a newbie. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/560 "2008-11-07T03:07:01Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > I’m probably going to get a lot of heat for this, but I don’t care. > > I want you to reveal them. If it’s a false claim, the less time you have to make stuff up, the better. We don’t know whether scum can talk during the Day, but they can definitely talk at Night. So if you’re scum, and Night suddenly falls, I don’t want the whole group to come up with a strategy for you. You’re the only one who claimed under pressure, so your role claim is the most suspicious to me right now. If you’re pro-town, I’m willing to give up whatever advantage we lose by revealing your role. Interesting. 1. First reaction by **ok11** : “I’ll probably unvote but not just yet”. That non-reaction meant, of course, that I would be lynched at the time 2. As soon as someone else asked about my powers, **ok11** states “the less time you have to make stuff up, the better”. Never mind that, it hadn’t even been his/her idea Extremely scummy, if you ask me. Enough to: **Unvote Nanook** and **Vote ok11** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=29)