# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/681 "2008-11-10T17:12:56Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Er, you claimed to be a townie with that power. Really, you can move “claimed” to the front of the phrase to make it “claimed town power” if it makes you feel better. I don’t think my meaning is changed. I think that’s actually a pretty significant change in meaning. Santo’s right. You’re accepting his town status as fact, which tends to give something away about your perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/682 "2008-11-10T17:17:10Z")
I don’t really agree with you, in that I think either way “claimed” is modifying “town power”–obviously, since I wrote the damn thing, I know what I meant. =P ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/683 "2008-11-10T17:21:39Z")
The context of your statement was that since we “know” there is town power that can change the length of the day, there could also be scum powers that do so. The logic only holds true if you are assuming the town power to exist. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/684 "2008-11-10T17:30:04Z")
Bah, we know there’s a claim. Look, if you think nitpicking my grammar is going to help find scum, have at it. You’d be wrong, but meh, I’m used to people being wrong about me being town. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/685 "2008-11-10T17:34:00Z")
Right. Even if you change it to, “we know there is a claimed town power,” it doesn’t really make sense. I hate going by inconsistencies in a post like that, as it seems I’m only right in pointing them out 1/3 of the time. Still, at this point in the game, that’s probably higher than the scum+pfk/population number. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/686 "2008-11-10T17:36:15Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > …I’m used to people being wrong about me being town. This is the second time you’ve said this on this page. Seems like you’re trying to get a free pass to say whatever you feel like it by saying, “Hey, guys, you _always_ think I’m scummy. So, even when I’m town, I act just like this!” Which is, in fact, pretty much what you said. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/687 "2008-11-10T17:42:56Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > So, Oredigger. Care to talk about your activities last night? Uhhh . . . sure, I’m assuming your talking about the game, in which case I did nothing, I have no powers, so what you saw is what you get. Anything in particular that your trying to imply? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/688 "2008-11-10T17:49:36Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > This is the second time you’ve said this on this page. Seems like you’re trying to get a free pass to say whatever you feel like it by saying, “Hey, guys, you _always_ think I’m scummy. So, even when I’m town, I act just like this!” Which is, in fact, pretty much what you said. I’m saying that I think I’m being chased on relatively insignificant grounds–and I’m holding up my past playstyle as an example of this sort of crap being par for the course for me. So yeah, pretty much that. I mean, I’m town. I know it. I can’t prove it except by dying. I’d rather not die, since, y’know, I’m town. At the same time, I KNOW I’m going to make mistakes, either my misreading or skipping-on-misread, or just plain being dyslexic. I’d rather you guys not waste a lynch on my fumblebrainedness, if it’s all the same. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/689 "2008-11-10T17:50:38Z")
So, JSexton, where the crap are you coming out of left field on Oredigger for, out of curiousity? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/690 "2008-11-10T17:51:09Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m saying that I think I’m being chased on relatively insignificant grounds–and I’m holding up my past playstyle as an example of this sort of crap being par for the course for me. So yeah, pretty much that. > > I mean, I’m town. I know it. I can’t prove it except by dying. I’d rather not die, since, y’know, I’m town. At the same time, I KNOW I’m going to make mistakes, either my misreading or skipping-on-misread, or just plain being dyslexic. I’d rather you guys not waste a lynch on my fumblebrainedness, if it’s all the same. What else have we got to base lynches on at this point in the game? We’ve got a minuscule voting record, and our discussion. fumblebrainedness falls under the discussion category. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/691 "2008-11-10T18:19:27Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > So, Oredigger. Care to talk about your activities last night? Do you happen to know something? If so, I think it’s more pro-Town to just say what you know. I want to hear from Nanook before I do anything toDay. With regards to “if scum voted, these might be them” - in one sense, I don’t like that kind of smudgeliness. On the other hand, one thing scum HAS to do is vote. They can weasel out of a lot of things that might show their alliance, but they have to put a vote on record. Therefore, even when there isn’t a lot to go on in terms of votes, vote analysis should theoretically be one of our best tools. Especially since in this game, just like every game, everybody is screaming “explain your votes”. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/692 "2008-11-10T18:30:55Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Do you happen to know something? If so, I think it’s more pro-Town to just say what you know. Bah, I misread my notes. That question was supposed to be addressed to ok11. OK11, any comment on your activities last night? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/693 "2008-11-10T19:07:48Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > On the other hand, one thing scum HAS to do is vote. They can weasel out of a lot of things that might show their alliance, but they have to put a vote on record. I don’t follow. Why do scum have to vote in this setup? No majority has to be reached. No-one else has expressed interest in demanding everyone vote before 48 hours. I have approached the subject several times but no discussion has come of it. I understand there are pros and cons and think we would benefit from an earnest discussion, especially since there still isn’t a whole lot of material in this game to gauge dispositions. For example, I could see a benefit to using only FOS’s up until a majority is reached, than voting for real. However, this creates a situation where the random day end could really screw us. I am still trying to think of other methods and again would like to hear some discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/694 "2008-11-10T19:08:37Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Are you kidding me? I know I’m town. But I mean, what _side_ do we represent? And what side do the scum represent? In the Batman game it was Baddies vs. Batman and crew. In YSI it was Faithful employees vs. the Silent Pigs. But who are we fighting? And who are we? It may not mean anything…but then again it may. Where is Blaster Master? It’s really, really not like him to not post much. In fact, I haven’t seen a game where he hasn’t (except for GastardMod, which he later said he forgot about completly). It’s weird…I can’t see him doing it deliberatly, because it would draw attention to him and that’s not something he’d want if he was scum. But I can’t see him doing it if he was town, either, because there are enough unconnected data points that I can’t see him passing up. Where is he? **Vote Blaster Master** ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/695 "2008-11-10T19:09:30Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > What else have we got to base lynches on at this point in the game? We’ve got a minuscule voting record, and our discussion. fumblebrainedness falls under the discussion category. There is fumblebrainedness and there are slips, and we townies seem to consistently have trouble telling one from the other. Case in point, JSexton’s question being directed to the wrong person entirely, and only being redirected after some confusion on the part of the first questionee. For that matter, there are people out there who are, in my opinion, doing scummier things than just fumbling a bit–my vote is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/696 "2008-11-10T19:11:22Z")
Even in setups where you aren’t forced to vote, people notice if you don’t. It’s a lot harder to just not vote than it is to, say, post cleverly-disguised filler or a lot that ends up being “me, too” or that sort of thing. I think everybody essentially agreed in the beginning that we should get a vote down in the first 48 hours. What gives you the impression that most people weren’t saying that? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/697 "2008-11-10T19:18:37Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > As it’s so quiet, I’m going to indulge myself by reposting my suggestions for dealing with the Random Nightfall: > Zsofia had problems with my suggestion about not voting for the vote leader: > > I agree that encouraging people not to vote under certain circumstances is a sub-optimal situation - it’s merely the best compromise I can come up with to stop outing town roles. Here’s what I would suggest: > > [ul] > [li]Do vote for the person you find scummiest unless…[/li][li]That person is already vote leader (say, 2 votes in the lead)[/li][li]In that case, publically state a colour-coded FOS of the vote-leader, giving reasons just as you would for a vote[/li][li]FOS-ing the leader is the only excuse for not having an active vote[/li][/ul] > > The last point is based on the point I raised earlier: unvoting the leader promotes No.2 into the danger seat. Unless you actually want them to be there, you’re putting on pressure for another role-claim needlessly. Either vote for them explicitly, or tell us who else you find scummy. If you \*really \*have no other suspects, current experience suggests that we’ll have some lurkers who could use a nudge. > > Hopefully the above will help us keep track of FOS’s as we would votes. Note that this is not an excuse for lurkers to materialise, say “Yeah, I agree with X about VoteLeader, here’s my FOS” and then recloak for the rest of the Day. This is no less suspicious than any other unjustified bandwagon vote, and should be treated as such. That seems like it would make it far, far too easy for scum to swing a vote, and I don’t think it would achieve the stated objective of keeping town roles from being outed, either. If I had a power role and I were being FOSed right and left, I’d claim. IMO, FOSing is way overrated as a strategic move. Either vote, or don’t vote – there is no particular benefit to a pseudo-vote. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/698 "2008-11-10T19:25:27Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > What gives you the impression that most people weren’t saying that? There were a lot of votes yesterday that came in after 48 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/699 "2008-11-10T19:33:32Z")
I have a question for Ok11, and sorry if you already answered this, but I didn’t see it and: did you do any research for this game? Because if you did, and you did it on outside sources (like mafiascum), you might want to recalibrate a little, since we’ve tweaked the standard definitions a little. Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/700 "2008-11-10T19:37:36Z")
OK not the best of starts for town, which means we need to lynch right today. I don’t have any strong leads as yet so I am not going to vote just now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=36)