# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1281 "2008-11-22T08:15:21Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > And I thought Scandinavian chicks was everybodys favorite dinner. Cannibalism? You _are_kinky! ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1282 "2008-11-22T08:27:24Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Cannibalism? You _are_kinky! It took you this long to realize that??? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1283 "2008-11-22T12:40:10Z")
> [@Santo\_Rugger](#): > > Cannibalism? You _are_kinky! Back off, Rugger! This one’s mine! ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1284 "2008-11-22T16:11:53Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Back off, Rugger! This one’s mine! A mollusca with a bit of a rough side - what a rare treat! ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1285 "2008-11-22T16:32:05Z")
Uh Booz? You don’t happen to have some mead there do you? You would think being \*\*Og \*\*we wouldn’t run out, but invite Hercules over and… ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1286 "2008-11-22T23:54:48Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Uh Booz? You don’t happen to have some mead there do you? You would think being \*\*Og \*\*we wouldn’t run out, but invite Hercules over and… There’s always mead for **Og**! But drink up, there’s not much time left in the Night, I think. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1287 "2008-11-23T00:16:55Z")
No, there’s not much time at all. Games, Games, Games–A Board game MMP For awhile now, my Boyfriend and I have been going to a weekly game night hosted by a local game store. It’s a cool way to try new things–each week there’s a theme, dice games, card games, board games–whatever. And the store brings games that for people to try. Over the summer, it’s crazy. The place is flooded with kids. Sometimes 100 people show up. When school’s in session though, it’s more quiet. Well, a few weeks ago at an “Advanced Game Night” session, we met a couple of great guys, so we exchanged contact information with a vague, “let’s play sometime.” Less than an hour later, we each had an email with a date to play the next night. These guys are great! Since then, we’ve gotten together three times to play different things-- once at each of our houses. It’s neat. I’ve played the game ranked number one (in the world, I think) by a website whose job it is to rank such things. It was very involved and a but hard to get at first, but quite fun once I got the hang of it. Anyway, I’ve played so many games lately, I think I may start dreaming of them!! As the players in the greatest game of all filed into the arena for the start of Day 4, their attention was caught by a truly bizarre sight. Over by the Charter House, somebody had set up the Totopoly board for a two-horse race. The winner was clearly Oredigger77; sadly whoever the loser was had taken it badly, and crushed Oredigger’s skull between two half-coconuts. **Oredigger77 aka Emeraldsequence, a Charter Member (Town) has lost his final game.** Over by a freshly-turfed playing field, someone had taught the finer points of holding the ball in a maul, And “maul” was what had happened to poor Santo Rugger, who’s virtual corpse was savagely mauled. **Santo Rugger aka Terry, a Board Doctor (Town), has finally laid down the ball.** They made their way down to the debating area, and pulled out their chairs ready to begin the day’s discussions. As they sat, amrussell’s chair collapsed backwards and sent him tumbling into a deep dark hole in the ground that had been very carefully camouflaged. They rushed over to the hole, fearing that yet another Marianas had been created. This time, they could hear the victim groaning. He was clearly alive, but there was no way to rescue him. They heard a voice floating up out of the hole. “I’ll be OK,” came amrussell’s voice. “I can climb out. It’ll take me a while though.” **amrussell is still in the game, but unable to participate Today.** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1288 "2008-11-23T01:04:38Z")
What’s the game? Puerto Rico? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1289 "2008-11-23T01:19:47Z")
Well, damn. Looks like the theories about **Nanook** having been any sort of killer are out the window. I think this also serves as pretty clear evidence that we don’t have a Vig since the Vig wouldn’t target **Oredigger** , and **Santo** was pretty damn unlikely to be anti-town. So, looks to me like we’ve a serial killer as our other PFK. I have a few other thoughts, but I want to review some stuff first. ---
**Author:** ![mmouse9799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mmouse9799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mmouse9799)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1290 "2008-11-23T01:35:05Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > What’s the game? Puerto Rico? [Agricola](http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browser.php?itemtype=game&sortby=rank) Puerto Rico is now number 2. Agricola is pretty new, released last year. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1291 "2008-11-23T03:23:40Z")
No surpirse here. Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1292 "2008-11-23T03:43:34Z")
Well, shit. No vig, probably. I feel like there might be info hiding in the who-killed-who on Night Two, then, but I’m not sure what. It’s nagging me. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1293 "2008-11-23T06:16:51Z")
Ok, this is it, maybe. We’ve had two nightkills each Night so far. If there’s no Vig, then in order to account for Nanooks death, we look at two likely possibilities. His vote for himself didn’t count, and his vote condition snuffed him, or he was NK’d. I’ve been thinking option 1 unlikely, and was assuming that a Vig got him. If it’s likely that he wasn’t vigged, the question of how exactly he died suddenly means something. Why would an anti-town faction/player target him? Nanook, alive, is a source of chaos. If it’s reasonable to think that an anti-town nightkiller wouldn’t target him, then we have to assume that his condition got him. So where’d the other kill go? Alternatively, he WAS vigged. Since it isn’t likely that a hypothetical Vig was responsible for either of last Nights deaths, that means we’ve got three killers. And so the question remains, where is that extra kill? A pro-town roleblocker might know. There’s obviously other possibilities, but Occams Razor suggests that somebody has info that could lead us to a killer. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1294 "2008-11-23T07:46:15Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Ok, this is it, maybe. > > We’ve had two nightkills each Night so far. If there’s no Vig, then in order to account for Nanooks death, we look at two likely possibilities. His vote for himself didn’t count, and his vote condition snuffed him, or he was NK’d. I’ve been thinking option 1 unlikely, and was assuming that a Vig got him. If it’s likely that he wasn’t vigged, the question of how exactly he died suddenly means something. > > Why would an anti-town faction/player target him? Nanook, alive, is a source of chaos. If it’s reasonable to think that an anti-town nightkiller wouldn’t target him, then we have to assume that his condition got him. So where’d the other kill go? > > Alternatively, he WAS vigged. Since it isn’t likely that a hypothetical Vig was responsible for either of last Nights deaths, that means we’ve got three killers. And so the question remains, where is that extra kill? > > A pro-town roleblocker might know. > > There’s obviously other possibilities, but Occams Razor suggests that somebody has info that could lead us to a killer. While there is the possibility of a pro-town (or anti-town) roleblocker having something to do with all of these deaths, I really can’t see the possibility of a Vig in play. While Nanook would have been a good target for a Vig, I don’t see the purpose of a Vig killing Night One, and neither Oredigger (a confirmed townie) nor Santo (an uncounterclaimed, probable townie role) would have made a good target last night. What happened to Nanook? Well, he’d be a bad kill for either a Seriel Killer or a scum group, as he was pretty much guaranteed lynch. A Seriel Killer might be slightly more likely to kill him than a scum group, as he seemed to be some weird sort of bomb, something that almost certainly would win faster than an SK. Still, doesn’t seem very likely. Which I guess would suggest some sort of roleblocker. All right, I’ve argued myself into exactly your corner, now. And our Roleblocker must’ve hit either a killing scum or the SK on Night two. Huh. That was helpful. An overly long ‘Me too’ post. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1295 "2008-11-23T15:54:01Z")
Review of Day 3 votes: 1060: Kat votes Zeriel 1062: ShadowFacts votes Hal Briston 1087: Boozahol Squid votes Zeriel 1063: Santo Rugger votes Boozahol 1113: Zsofia votes Hal Briston At this point, our front runners are tied: Zeriel: 2 (Kat, Boozahol) Hal Briston: 2 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) 1116: Oredigger votes Hal 1119: I vote Pleonast 1120: Zeriel votes Hal 1122: ok11 votes OAOW 1132: amrussell votes Rapier42 Zeriel: 2 (Kat, Boozahol) Hal Briston: 4 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia, Oredigger, Zeriel) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) Pleonast: 1 (Fretful) OAOW: 1 (ok11) Rapier42: 1 (amrussell) Hal surges into the lead at 1120 and remains there while people put several more candidates on the table. Then: 1142: Pleonast votes Zeriel 1143: ok11 unvotes OAOW, votes Zeriel Zeriel and Hal are now tied. Zeriel: 4 (Kat, Boozahol, Pleonast, ok11) Hal Briston: 4 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia, Oredigger, Zeriel) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) Pleonast: 1 (Fretful) Rapier42: 1 (amrussell) 1160: Hero votes ShadowFacts 1165: I unvote Pleonast and vote Hal Hal is now in the lead: Zeriel: 4 (Kat, Boozahol, Pleonast, ok11) Hal Briston: 5 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia, Oredigger, Zeriel, Fretful) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) Rapier42: 1 (amrussell) ShadowFacts: 1 (Hero) 1170: Total Lost votes Hero 1171: OAOW votes ok11 1172: amrussell votes Zeriel The vote is once again tied: Zeriel: 5 (Kat, Boozahol, Pleonast, ok11, amrussell) Hal Briston: 5 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia, Oredigger, Zeriel, Fretful) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) ShadowFacts: 1 (Hero) Hero: 1 (Total Lost) ok11: 1 (OAOW) 1175: BlaM votes Zeriel Zeriel is now in the lead. 1178: Zeriel unvotes Hal and votes BlaM. Zeriel: 6 (Kat, Boozahol, Pleonast, ok11, amrussell, BlaM) Hal Briston: 4 (ShadowFacts, Zsofia, Oredigger, Fretful) Boozahol: 1 (Santo) ShadowFacts: 1 (Hero) Hero: 1 (Total Lost) ok11: 1 (OAOW) BlaM: 1 (Zeriel) 1192: okll unvotes Zeriel and votes OAOW. 1202: Hal votes ShadowFacts 1231: Rapier42 votes ShadowFacts 1235: ShadowFacts unvotes Hal and votes for himself 1239: ShadowFacts unvotes himself Final vote count: Zeriel : 5 (Kat, Boozahol Squid P. I., Pleonast, amrussell, Blaster Master) ShadowFacts : 3 (Hero from Sector 7G, Hal Briston, Rapier42) Hal Briston : 3 (Zsofia, Oredigger77, Fretful Porpentine) Boozahol Squid P.I. : 1 (Santo Rugger) Hero from Sector 7G : 1 (Total Lost) ok11 : 1 (One and Only Wanderers) Blaster Master : 1 (Zeriel) One and Only Wanderers : 1 (ok11) Analysis to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1296 "2008-11-23T16:04:40Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Ok, this is it, maybe. > > We’ve had two nightkills each Night so far. If there’s no Vig, then in order to account for Nanooks death, we look at two likely possibilities. His vote for himself didn’t count, and his vote condition snuffed him, or he was NK’d. I’ve been thinking option 1 unlikely, and was assuming that a Vig got him. If it’s likely that he wasn’t vigged, the question of how exactly he died suddenly means something. > > Why would an anti-town faction/player target him? Nanook, alive, is a source of chaos. If it’s reasonable to think that an anti-town nightkiller wouldn’t target him, then we have to assume that his condition got him. So where’d the other kill go? > > Alternatively, he WAS vigged. Since it isn’t likely that a hypothetical Vig was responsible for either of last Nights deaths, that means we’ve got three killers. And so the question remains, where is that extra kill? > > A pro-town roleblocker might know. > > There’s obviously other possibilities, but Occams Razor suggests that somebody has info that could lead us to a killer. I think Occam’s Razor dictates that we have an SK. First, if we had a Vig and he hasn’t outted himself at this point, he’s playing so incredibly anti-town he might as well be an SK. Second, an SK DID have motivation to kill **Nanook** , while scum did not. Scum wouldn’t want to kill him because, as was said, he was a guaranteed lynch that wasn’t one of theirs. Hell, the whole town was set up to lynch him, and pretty much everyone would have piled on him and we’d have gone a whole Day with virtually no new information. OTOH, an SK doesn’t care who gets lynched, as long as it isn’t him, and he had no idea what **Nanook** ’s win condition was, so he went into the Night with that level of uncertainty about when he might lose, but with an option that would DEFINITELY not be protected and would remove that uncertainty and he’d be quite sure that the scum wouldn’t double up with him. So that means, that logic pretty much says that the SK killed **Nanook** and the scum killed **Ped**. That means that it’s also likely that, having seen that, the SK might have deduced that the scum were going to take out the masons and, thus, didn’t want to risk doubling up on a kill with them, which means, if I’m right about Night 2, then it’s also likely that the scum killed **Oredigger** last night and the SK killed **Santo**. I’m not really sure if that gives us any useful information as to WHO these people are, but if the scum are taking out Masons starting on Night 2, my guess is they’re playing pretty conservatively, and that means to me, we probably need to start looking at some of the people who have been mostly staying out of the fray, and on that, I did notice something in a review, but I’ll make it a seperate post for clarity’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1297 "2008-11-23T16:23:40Z")
For reference, here are links to reviews of Day 2 by [ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10453476&postcount=1078) and [Rapier42](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10464708&postcount=1194). Anyway, here are my conclusions: If **Hal** is scum, the obvious place to look for more scum is among the voters who swung **Zeriel** into the lead on Day 3, that would be **Pleonast, ok11** , and **Blaster Master**. ( **Kat** and **Boozahol Squid** are also plausible scum, but not really swing votes, since they voted for **Zeriel** before it became clear who the vote leaders would be; **amrussell** is obviously above reproach.) Looking back at the final vote count on Day 2 with the benefit of hindsight, our Day 3 **Zeriel** voters are divided evenly between **JSexton** and **Zeriel** : JSexton = 7 (Squid, Zsofia, Rapier42, Hal, Pleonast, Nanook, ok11) Zeriel = 6 (Kat, amrussell, Hero, JSexton, pede, Blaster) Given that the scum knew that BOTH vote leaders were non-scum, I would expect them to spread their votes out. If Hal is scum, I would look for one scum among ok11 / Pleo / Boozahol and one among Kat / Blaster. Of these five players, **ok11** is the one who stands out to me right now: she cast a swing vote at the right moment to tie **Zeriel** with **Hal** and then _unvoted_ to place her vote on a third party who had no chance of actually being lynched (and I would expect at least one scum to be lurking among those non-Hal, non-Zeriel voters as well). But all of this assumes that Hal is scum. If he isn’t, I’d expect the scum to split their votes again on Day 3, all the while laughing themselves silly. I have no clue WHAT to make of the bizarre last-minute push on **ShadowFacts** , save that I think **Hal** would have more to gain by casting a third-party vote if he is scum than if he isn’t, since scum need to be more cautious about avoiding the appearance of self-interest. This is not, however, conclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1298 "2008-11-23T16:25:04Z")
On my theory that the scum might be laying low, I found this post by amrussell to be interesting about **Fretful** > [@amrussell](#): > > **Day Two** > > [Votes \*\*Blam \*\*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10431343#post10431343)on the grounds that he’s in danger of getting mod-killed for absence and it’d be better not to risk losing info. In the same post, defends JSexton as probably town, because his gambit is too attention-grabbing for scum. > > [Unvotes **Blam**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10434987#post10434987), with no new vote. Admits she has no idea who to vote for. This could be signficiant. We’ve made a lot of play about who voted for who yesterDay: leaving a vote off the table at at crucial time (votes between Zeriel and JSexton were tied at this point) can have just as great an influence on the outcome/ Obviously we can’t read anything into this now, but it may become worth looking at. > > Other Day 2 posts mainly concerned Nanook: Fretful was in favour of keeping him alive, as she thought town would be more likely to out themselves than scum or PFK. Again, I’m mildly suspicous of posters who talked more about Nanook than they did about voting, because it strikes me as a safer conversation for scum to get involved in. This part of his post really hits on a few points that very much concern me about Fretful’s behavior. Voting for me at the time was a very safe place to put a vote, and later she unvoted me and didn’t vote for either **JSexton** or **Zeriel** (or Hal for that matter). I think amrussell was right in that it could be significant because we now know that both of those people are town, so perhaps a motivation for leaving a vote off the table was NOT wanting to make a deciding vote at a crucial time that would result in a townie getting lynched. I haven’t reviewed the other posts she made, but it’s fair to trust **amrussell** when he says that her other posts on Day 2 mostly concern **Nanook**. This is something I think I, and a few others, touched on at another point, that I think lots of discussion about **Nanook** could be a scum tactic for Day 2. They wouldn’t want to be forced to choose between **Zeriel** and **JSexton** , but they could keep themselves talking in a very pro-town seeming way by discussing an anti-town element > [@](#): > > **Day Three** > > [Reviews \*\*JSextons \*\*posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10451947#post10451947); [mentions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10451987#post10451987)that she finds Hal and Pleonast’s votes suspicious. Later votes [Pleo](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10456740#post10456740), then unvotes in favour of [Hal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10461766#post10461766), in order to make her vote effective. > > If we disregard the fact that there’s very little to go on, there’s very little to go on. However, I’m not sure how far we can disregard that. Day Two showed some definite anti-town behaviour as a direct consequence of low posting levels. By contrast Day 3’s contributions are more on point, with votes and reasons. > > FWIW, I’m leaning slightly town, mainly based on Day Three, but eyebrows raised maybe half a notch by Day Two. I thoroughly disagree with leaning town. In fact, I find her pretty damn suspicious, especially in light of **Zeriel** ’s revelation as town. I think the actions on Day 2 ARE very anti-town in that light, and as **amrussell** mentions, she has very little to go on. I couldn’t agree more with that, because I had absolutely no read on her going into Today. Beyond that, several of her posts are review types, which are good ways of looking like you’re participating without actually putting your opinion on anything. So, yeah, I find her the most suspicious person right now, and I’d very much like to hear more from her, especially about Day 2. Ban **Fretful Porpentine** ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1299 "2008-11-23T16:39:14Z")
Ah yes, I was wondering when my lack-of-vote on Day 2 would come back to haunt me. I don’t have a good excuse, other than that I had a vaguely-townie feeling about **JSexton** at the time and no real read on either **Hal** or **Zeriel** , and I was hoping that if I held off on voting until I had time to re-read the thread I would have a sudden flash of illumination, which never did happen. In retrospect, I probably should have gone ahead and voted for **Zeriel** , since he was reasonably close to the lead and wasn’t **JSexton** , but I didn’t like casting a vote for such a flimsy reason. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1300 "2008-11-23T18:29:24Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > Of these five players, **ok11** is the one who stands out to me right now: she cast a swing vote at the right moment to tie **Zeriel** with **Hal** and then _unvoted_ to place her vote on a third party who had no chance of actually being lynched (and I would expect at least one scum to be lurking among those non-Hal, non-Zeriel voters as well). According to your own review of Day 3 votes, my vote never actually tied **Zeriel** and **Hal**. So I don’t know why you’d consider it a swing vote. Using that same logic, your vote, which put **Hal** in the lead, is equally (if not more) suspicious. The second part of your argument applies equally to you as well. On Day 1, you voted for **peekercpa** , who wasn’t going to get banned. On Day 2 you got a townie vibe from **Jsexton** and no vibe from **Zeriel** and **Hal** , so you didn’t vote for anybody. Towards the end of Day 3 I didn’t think **Zeriel** , **Hal** , or **ShadowFacts** should be banned, so I put my vote back on someone I consider scum. At least when I [voted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10458219&postcount=1143) and [unvoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10464070&postcount=1192) **Zeriel** , I clearly stated my reasons, which were based on several factors. You voted for **Hal** because (1) you wanted the vote “somewhere that it will make a difference” and (2) there might have been vote manipulation, which pointed to **Hal** being scum. But why **Hal** , when (as other players already said) votes for **Jsexton** helped **Zeriel** more than they helped **Hal**? You never said that something **Hal** actually said or did looked suspicious to you, so what made you vote for **Hal** instead of **Zeriel**? Your analysis toDay is based on the assumption that **Hal** is scum. So basically you think scum tried to protect **Hal** on Day 2, and then even after people started suspecting that **Hal** is being protected, they protected him again on Day 3? That seems far fetched to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=66)