# Sdmb mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 30, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198 "2008-10-30T02:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1421 "2008-12-01T21:15:14Z")
Hey **Shadow** why didn’t you respond to my question? > [@me](#): > > What is my (scummy) motivation for calling you out on overlooking Zeriel? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1422 "2008-12-01T21:23:55Z")
**Blaster** , how am I supposed to respond to that? Not just “you smell funny to me” but “you don’t smell”? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1423 "2008-12-01T21:34:28Z")
Hey **Z**. Since you’re here, care to share your thoughts on **Darth**? Do you think today is a critical day to actually hit scum? Why do you think a lot of people haven’t even posted to this thread toDay? Personally I’m suspicious of **Total Lost**. He hasn’t participated much, hasn’t done a whole lot of analysis, and has been content to ride out a vote on me since Day 1. His complete lack of participation today is especially of concern. Ban Total Lost ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1424 "2008-12-01T21:48:00Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > **Blaster** , how am I supposed to respond to that? Not just “you smell funny to me” but “you don’t smell”? The whole point is that, at this point, you should have made enough of something to give me a read one way or the other. However, I haven’t seen you take any risks, or put forth any real attempt at analysis. As I said, there’s true lurking, and then there’s “lurking in plain sight”. The first is easily distinguished by simply looking at post counts, but the latter is much harder to pull out and it’s a much more effective way for scum to “lurk”. The thing is, you’re not not participating, but you’re not really adding anything to the game either. For just about every other name still left in the game, even people who have similar post counts, I can think of at least a couple of things that that person has done that made them stick out in one way or another. **Shadow** has about the same number of posts as you, for instance. He may be a bold scum, or a hard-headed townie, but his presence is there. You are distinctly lacking in this way in my view. Your playstyle is consistent with my theory that the scum are not actively manipulating the votes, and they’re not actively influencing discussion. I think they’re letting things like the **JSexton** gambit distract town and they’re just looking for convenient ways to not tie themselves together and throw their votes where they’re convenient. But you asked how you’re supposed to respond to it, so fine, I’ll tell you what will satisfy me. Make yourself present in the game. Give us your opinion on the hot topic of the Day (which is currently **Shadow** vs. **Hero** ). Pick someone you find suspicious and give us your thoughts on why they’re suspicious. Or maybe my impression is just totally wrong. Maybe I missed some posts you made where you added some good solid reasoning. If I did, tell me where to look. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1425 "2008-12-01T21:51:50Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Hey **Z**. Since you’re here, care to share your thoughts on **Darth**? Do you think today is a critical day to actually hit scum? Why do you think a lot of people haven’t even posted to this thread toDay? > > Personally I’m suspicious of **Total Lost**. He hasn’t participated much, hasn’t done a whole lot of analysis, and has been content to ride out a vote on me since Day 1. His complete lack of participation today is especially of concern. > > Ban Total Lost You know, in my haste of looking over the bottom posters, I somehow missed him. But it occurs to me that his posting style is consistent with the same theory that is making me suspicious **Zsofia**. I will add him to my list of to make a list of 5 people that probably probably has at least 2-3 scum on it. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1426 "2008-12-01T22:08:44Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > You know, in my haste of looking over the bottom posters, I somehow missed him. But it occurs to me that his posting style is consistent with the same theory that is making me suspicious **Zsofia**. I will add him to my list of to make a list of 5 people that probably probably has at least 2-3 scum on it. “He” is a “SHE” and she’s in an other Time Zone. SHE is going to be asleep soon but hope to get something to post in the morning. IRL has made me not post too much the last couple of days… sorry about that. I have been reading and I have a lot to say! ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1427 "2008-12-01T22:22:33Z")
With regards to the Shadow v. Hero thing today, it just feels like tail-chasing. The whole game has seemed to involve a lot of sound and fury and not a whole lot of substance. We had JSexton shooting himself in the foot and provoking a tempest in a teapot, we go around and around and around with Shadow and Hero and Hal, and none of it seems to mean very much or get us any closer at all to finding scum. I had thought Kat was really staying under the radar and coming up just frequently enough to make sufficiently substantial posts that she wouldn’t get any suspicion, and she turned out town. As for Darth, do we have anything at all to go on besides the fact that he’s not on the list of players or the list of roles? There do seem to be post restrictions in this game - the Al power, amrussell’s silencing yesterDay, etc. He seemed to be citing some sort of condition to come in and get a vote in so he’d survive. I don’t know what to make of it at all - I can see a last minute extra person as being a scum or town thing. I just don’t feel I have any information on him whatsoever and nothing to hang a vote on or not. How has Hal shrugged off all the suspicion that was on him earlier? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1428 "2008-12-01T22:22:52Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Hey **Shadow** why didn’t you respond to my question? Sorry, I meant to and completely forgot. Just so everyone can follow along, the question was: [QUOTE=Hero] What is my (scummy) motivation for calling you out on overlooking Zeriel? I always thought it was my duty to question other players arguments. [/QUOTE] I would speculate that your reasons were: 1. To weaken my case against **Hal** , who would of course be your scumbuddy, or 2. To make me look scummy by claiming I was deliberately skewing my analysis. Or both at the same time, really. And you are correct: it is Town’s duty to question other player’s arguments, and to try to find inconsistencies. I don’t have any problem with that. However, as you just admitted, you were _wrong_ about the first thing you called me on (i.e. my defense of **JSexton** ). So, when you begin to question someone based on a falsity, that makes you look bad, IMO. And it only got worse from there. But I have to admit, the fact that everyone else seems to think my case against you is nothing is giving me a little pause. They can’t ALL be scum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1429 "2008-12-01T22:45:54Z")
Point 1 in your defense doesn’t make sense. If you think **Hal** is scum than why don’t you check there? You’re willing to bet the game on me being scum because you think **Hal** is also? Point 2 is the definition of “Oh My God You Suck.” For what it is worth, I don’t think you are scum and haven’t since **Zeriel** ’s reveal. I don’t think you’re acting in the interest of the town (mostly because I know my role) but you have been very hard to talk to, and in defending my position from two days ago it seems as though I’m attacking you. I’m not. The lack of action today is a confirmation of my hypothesis: scum simply aren’t doing anything unless they have to. Notice how many players toDay are saying they will pipe in “later.” We are in overtime and the day could end at any moment, what on earth are they waiting for? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1430 "2008-12-01T23:01:39Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > _snipped_ > > Huh, again. I believe I have acknowledged _every single criticism_ of my cases against both **Hal** and **Hero**. In fact, I challenge you to find one instance of someone criticizing my evidence and me ignoring it. I’m really surprised that you (or anyone) would say that. Maybe you think because someone finds my case lacking, I am obligated to agree with them? That cannot be what you mean, so you’ll have to explain what you mean by “acknowledging.” > > And for the record, my so-called “single-minded” pursuit of **Hal** and **Hero** has been for one reason and one reason only: I think they are both scum. If you can think of something better I should be doing than pursuing those I find scummy, I’m honestly open to suggestions, because so far apparently all I’ve done so far in this game by playing as hard as I can is to look scummy :smack: > > PS. I feel like I need to add, by the way, that I was right about **JSexton** , right about **Zeriel** , and right about **Fretful Porpentine**. Maybe if anyone would ever listen to me, we’d be in better shape right now. 😛 I don’t have time right now to dig through the game history, I’m sorry. Others have done that anyway. I used possibly the wrong wording in “acknowledging”… my point is that others have pointed out what appear to me to be gaping flaws in your logic and defense of said logic, and I haven’t seen you concede any of the points presented. I didn’t mean to imply that you’ve been ignoring anybody, just that you aren’t listening. 😉 I grok that you think they’re scum, if you’re Town, but I’m really not convinced by the arguments you’ve put forth… from where I sit, it looks alot like you’re arguing from a pre-established position, and I’m having a hard time understanding why a Town player would do that. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1431 "2008-12-01T23:06:00Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > With regards to the Shadow v. Hero thing today, it just feels like tail-chasing. The whole game has seemed to involve a lot of sound and fury and not a whole lot of substance. We had JSexton shooting himself in the foot and provoking a tempest in a teapot, we go around and around and around with Shadow and Hero and Hal, and none of it seems to mean very much or get us any closer at all to finding scum. I had thought Kat was really staying under the radar and coming up just frequently enough to make sufficiently substantial posts that she wouldn’t get any suspicion, and she turned out town. > > As for Darth, do we have anything at all to go on besides the fact that he’s not on the list of players or the list of roles? There do seem to be post restrictions in this game - the Al power, amrussell’s silencing yesterDay, etc. He seemed to be citing some sort of condition to come in and get a vote in so he’d survive. I don’t know what to make of it at all - I can see a last minute extra person as being a scum or town thing. I just don’t feel I have any information on him whatsoever and nothing to hang a vote on or not. > > How has Hal shrugged off all the suspicion that was on him earlier? Hang on - you’ve been called out for lack of participation, asked to provide some concrete thoughts, and you come back with this? You drop a whole post full of handwaving and equivocation, and then conclude with a shiny “everybody look at Hal”? Thats enough for me to change my vote. **Unvote Shadow Ban Zsofia** ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1432 "2008-12-01T23:11:27Z")
EBWOP - I’m sorry. I think “equivocation” does not mean what I think I thought it meant. Please to replace “handwaving and equivocation” with “ambiguous handwaving”. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1433 "2008-12-01T23:18:19Z")
I’m working on a long post right now, but first I’d like to get a few misc. things out of the way. > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Notice how many players toDay are saying they will pipe in “later.” We are in overtime and the day could end at any moment, what on earth are they waiting for? We’re not in overtime yet. ToDay will last at least 72 hours, so I think that gives us at least until 6am tomorrow. **Hal Briston** , I’d really rather see you vote for someone other than **Darth Sensitive**. I think that regardless of his alignment, we shouldn’t vote for **Darth** toDay, because we just don’t have enough info. He might very well be town. Or, if he’s a sock, then he might not even be part of the game in the traditional sense, but just a mechanism for scum to get an extra vote. You didn’t have a vote on the record yesterDay, and if you make a throwaway vote toDay, it makes it hard to analyze your vote record. And considering how little you’ve said during the past few Days, it would really help to have at least a well substantiated vote from you. > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > And for the record, my so-called “single-minded” pursuit of Hal and Hero has been for one reason and one reason only: I think they are both scum. Based on the vote records, I doubt that they’re both scum. I’ll elaborate on this in a post later tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2008, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1434 "2008-12-01T23:46:22Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > We’re not in overtime yet. ToDay will last at least 72 hours, so I think that gives us at least until 6am tomorrow. Ahhh… that makes me feel a little better about the lurkers. Still, everyone should get a vote in before overtime. Where the heck are **Pleo** and **Boozy**? ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1435 "2008-12-02T00:15:22Z")
YesterDay, **Fretful Porpentine** tried to find scum by looking at players that seemed to be distancing themselves from each other. Now I’m trying to use a similar idea, but I’m focusing on votes instead of words. The following is basically a list of assumptions that I’ll use in various scenarios (in my next post). I realize that there’s no way to predict what scum actually did, but this is what seems logical to me (the first few have explanations, but the rest of the reasons are redundant): [Day 1, vote count 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10397100&postcount=246): It’s unlikely that both **Rapier42** and **Hero** are scum. (I expect scum to try to distance themselves from each other, not vote together right from the get go) [Day 1, vote count 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10401797&postcount=352): It’s unlikely that both **Hal** and **ShadowFacts** are scum. (No reason for scum to draw attention to one of their own on Day 1) [Day 1, vote count 4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10406864&postcount=421): It’s unlikely that both **Boozahol Squid, P.I** and **Hero** are scum (2 scum being the first to vote for someone is unlikely) [Day 1, vote count 6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10414363&postcount=536): All 3 of **Rapier42** , **ShadowFacts** , and **Total Lost** are unlikely to be scum (too risky to jump on a wagon altogether, especially since the other two leading candidates are town) [Day 1, last vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10418305&postcount=598): All 3 of **Blaster Master** , **Rapier42** , and **Pleonast** (the people who didn’t vote) are unlikely to be scum [Day 2, vote count 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10430923&postcount=768): All 3 of **Boozahol Squid, P.I** , **Zsofia** , and **Rapier42** are unlikely to be scum [Day 3, vote count 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10456527&postcount=1114): It’s unlikely that all 3 of **Hal** , **ShadowFacts** , **Zsofia** are scum (could be a bussing, but I doubt it); it’s also unlikely that both **ShadowFacts** and **Zsofia** are scum, even if **Hal** is town [Day 3, vote count 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10469763&postcount=1216): Unlikely that all 3 of **Boozahol Squid, P.I** , **Pleonast** , and **Blaster Master** are scum (although possible if they’re trying to prevent a **Hal** banning) [Day 3, vote count 4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10476620&postcount=1269): Unlikely that both **Hero** and **Hal** are scum; also all 3 of **Hero** , **Hal** , and **Rapier42** can’t be scum [Day 4, vote count 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10492526&postcount=1348): Unlikely that both **Blaster Master** and **Zsofia** are scum [Day 4, final vote count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10494887&postcount=1372): Unlikely that both **Total Lost** and **ShadowFacts** are scum As I said above, I used these assumptions in trying to figure out where the scum are hiding. I don’t have time to post the scenarios right now, but I’ll post them later tonight. (Right now they’re really messy, and if I posted them in their present condition everyone would just go 😕) Based on the scenarios as well as the players’ participation, I’m likely to vote for either **Zsofia** or **Total Lost**. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1436 "2008-12-02T01:45:09Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Point 1 in your defense doesn’t make sense. If you think **Hal** is scum than why don’t you check there? You’re willing to bet the game on me being scum because you think **Hal** is also? > > Point 2 is the definition of “Oh My God You Suck.” > > For what it is worth, I don’t think you are scum and haven’t since **Zeriel** ’s reveal. I don’t think you’re acting in the interest of the town (mostly because I know my role) but you have been very hard to talk to, and in defending my position from two days ago it seems as though I’m attacking you. I’m not. The lack of action today is a confirmation of my hypothesis: scum simply aren’t doing anything unless they have to. > > Notice how many players toDay are saying they will pipe in “later.” We are in overtime and the day could end at any moment, what on earth are they waiting for? **Hero** , if there’s one thing you and I can agree on, it’s that the back and forth between you and me (and everyone else \*about \*you and me) may drown out all other conversation. So, I’m actually not going to respond to this post to argue your points, unless you really want me to, even though I have plenty to say. I post this just so you don’t think I’m ignoring you. I think it’s in the best interests of the Town if other credible candidates besides you are also explored, and that’s what I’m going to start doing. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1437 "2008-12-02T01:53:02Z")
I’m going to borrow **Pleonast’s** previous vote list and add the last Day, since he hasn’t been back to update: Colors: Unknown, Town, Scum, 3rd Side **DAY ONE** (23 players) **NBC** : 6 (Santo Rugger, Hal Briston, Pedescribe, Zeriel, JSexton, Nanook o/t North Shore) **Nanook o/t North Shore** : 5 (BS PI, Hero from Sector 7G, Peekercpa, Oredigger77, NBC) **DiggitCamara** : 2 (ok11, ShadowFacts) **Hero from Sector 7G** : 2 (One and Only Wanderers, Total Lost) **Zeriel** : 2 (Kat, amrussell) **Kat** : 1 (Zsofia) **peekercpa** : 1 (Fretful Porpentine) **ok11** : 1 (DiggitCamara) **No Vote** : 3 (Rapier42, Blaster Master, Pleonast) **DAY TWO** (20 players) **JSexton** : 7 (BS PI, Zsofia, Rapier42, Hal Briston, Pleonast, Nanook o/t North Shore, ok11) **Zeriel** : 6 (Kat, amrussell, JSexton, Hero from Sector 7G, Pedescrobe, Blaster Master) **Hal Briston** : 3 (Oredigger, ShadowFacts, Zeriel) **Zsofia** : 1 (Total Lost) **ok11** : 1 (OaOW) **No Votes** : 2 (Santo Rugger, Fretful Porpentine) **DAY THREE** (17 players) **Zeriel** : 5 (Kat, Boozahol Squid P. I., Pleonast, amrussell, Blaster Master) **ShadowFacts** : 3 (Hero from Sector 7G, Hal Briston, Rapier42) **Hal Briston** : 3 (Zsofia, Oredigger77, Fretful Porpentine) **Boozahol Squid P.I.** : 1 (Santo Rugger) **Hero from Sector 7G** : 1 (Total Lost) **ok11** : 1 (One and Only Wanderers) **Blaster Master** : 1 (Zeriel) **One and Only Wanderers** : 1 (ok11) **No Votes** : 1 (Shadowfacts) **DAY FOUR** (14 players) One and Only Wanderers: 4 (ok11, Hero from Sector 7G, Fretful, Zsofia) Hero from Sector 7G : 2 (Total Lost, ShadowFacts) Total Lost : 1 (Pleonast) Fretful Porpentine : 1 (Blaster Master) Analysis to follow… ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1438 "2008-12-02T01:57:36Z")
EBWOP: Crap, I forgot to color \*\*Kat \*\*green. Rather than re-post that, please use your imaginations 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1439 "2008-12-02T02:06:15Z")
Aaaand, I have to admit, I can’t really glean a lot from that. Anyone else see anything? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198/1440 "2008-12-02T02:07:50Z")
I think your argument against **Kat** doesn’t make sense when green is put in the mix. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-mafia/470198.md?page=73)