# SDMB Modern Diplomacy Game \*players only please\* **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770 "2011-05-04T23:20:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/41 "2011-05-08T06:27:11Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > 8 AM, May 11th SAST Nice one - thank you!! ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/42 "2011-05-10T02:48:45Z")
Just giving everyone a heads up, you can expect opening communiques from Italy this evening. Sorry for the silence up until this point but it’s been a hectic weekend. Happy stabbing to all! ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/43 "2011-05-10T14:44:30Z")
Just an update: 14 hours and 15 min after this post is the first deadline. If you wish to modify your orders or if you have to submit orders, please do so in the next 14 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/44 "2011-05-11T01:38:34Z")
Everyone please check your Spam boxes. There seems to be a rash of messages being redirected there for reasons that are beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/45 "2011-05-11T01:38:47Z")
will you be posting the ramifications of our 1st orders tomorrow? or whenever? ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/46 "2011-05-11T05:55:35Z")
Order Results: BRITAIN: F Edinburgh -\> Norwegian Sea F Gibraltar -\> South Atlantic Ocean F Liverpool -\> Irish Sea F London -\> North Sea EGYPT: F Alexandria -\> Libyan Sea A Aswan -\> Eastern Sahara F Cairo -\> Israel FRANCE: F Bordeaux -\> Navarre _FAIL Bounced with Madrid (1 against 1)._ A Lyon -\> Alsace _FAIL Bounced with Munich (1 against 1)._ A Marseilles Holds A Paris -\> Auvergne GERMANY: _No order for unit at Hamburg. Hold order assigned._ F Berlin -\> Denmark _FAIL_ A Frankfurt -\> Bordeaux _FAIL_ F Hamburg Holds A Munich -\> Alsace _FAIL Bounced with Lyon (1 against 1)._ ITALY: A Milan -\> Austria F Naples -\> Maltese Sea A Rome -\> Venice F Venice -\> Adriatic Sea POLAND: F Gdansk -\> Lithuania A Krakow -\> Czech Republic A Warsaw -\> Krakow RUSSIA: A Gorky -\> Volga A Moscow -\> Belorussia A Murmansk -\> Lapland F Rostov -\> Eastern Black Sea F St Petersburg -\> Gulf of Bothnia SPAIN: F Barcelona Holds A Madrid -\> Navarre _FAIL Bounced with Bordeaux (1 against 1)._ A Seville -\> Gibraltar TURKEY: A Adana -\> Armenia F Ankara -\> Georgia A Istanbul -\> Bulgaria F Izmir -\> Istanbul UKRAINE: A Kharkov -\> Donbas A Kiev Supports A Moscow -\> Belorussia A Odessa -\> Rumania F Sevastopol Holds Map showing the moves: [https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVMTgyNjY0NTEtMGNhZS00YWY2LTg5ZTUtNWI4MjU3ZWQ2ZWEy&hl=en](https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVMTgyNjY0NTEtMGNhZS00YWY2LTg5ZTUtNWI4MjU3ZWQ2ZWEy&hl=en) Map showing results: [https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVZjFlYzRiYWYtNTYzZS00M2ZjLWI0NjMtZTJmNGRhNWRjNGRk&hl=en](https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVZjFlYzRiYWYtNTYzZS00M2ZjLWI0NjMtZTJmNGRhNWRjNGRk&hl=en) ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/47 "2011-05-11T05:57:35Z")
It looks like there will be no need for a retreat phase. Next orders due: **Fall 1995 - will be due 10 PM PDT on May 15th (that’s 1 AM, May 16th, EDT or 6 AM, May 16th GMT or 8 AM, May 16th SAST)** ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/48 "2011-05-11T06:28:04Z")
The Results map is the same as the moves map. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/49 "2011-05-11T13:28:36Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > The Results map is the same as the moves map. Must have been tired last night - Will correct that shortly. Also, the order for Army Marseilles was actually: A Marseilles -\> Monte Carlo _FAIL No such province_ (Mon is actually Monaco) Correct Results Map is here: [https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVNjVlNmU5NzEtNmZlYy00MDhkLThiZWQtNWZkNGU2ZjdlZDk1&hl=en](https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7wP5inGPgNVNjVlNmU5NzEtNmZlYy00MDhkLThiZWQtNWZkNGU2ZjdlZDk1&hl=en) ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/50 "2011-05-11T14:49:09Z")
Public announcement from Turkey: Turkey and Egypt have agreed to a permanent demilitarized zone which includes EME, Syr, and Irk. May our enemies tremble in fear! ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/51 "2011-05-11T14:58:50Z")
Damned new map. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/52 "2011-05-11T15:52:43Z")
Egyptian propaganda leaflets celebrating peace in the Middle East circulate throughout the continent. Egyptian Prime Minister Melón delivers a speech in Alexandria condemning Italian aggression. In it he calls for an end to European interference in east Africa. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/53 "2011-05-12T01:28:17Z")
Many thanks for all the folks who are providing a preliminary set of orders in case life prevents them form submitting orders closer to the deadline. I greatly appreciate so much cooperation! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/54 "2011-05-12T02:13:27Z")
**wevets** , I do have a question: the Judges (which for the uninitiated are computer programs which adjudicate Diplomacy moves online) will shoot back if you made an illegal order and tell you what the problem was. Are you willing to do this here, or will you stick with how you did it on the first turn (where you didn’t notify people if they had made illegal moves)? Just want your thoughts on this matter. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/55 "2011-05-12T12:52:07Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Public announcement from Turkey: > > Turkey and Egypt have agreed to a permanent demilitarized zone which includes EME, Syr, and Irk. May our enemies tremble in fear! Dear Turkey, Congratulations on your DMZ agreement with the Egyptians; I’m sure it brings your people a great sense of relief and peace. Let’s hope the Egyptians are better at upholding their DMZ agreements then our neighbor to the North. Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/56 "2011-05-12T13:39:34Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > **wevets** , I do have a question: the Judges (which for the uninitiated are computer programs which adjudicate Diplomacy moves online) will shoot back if you made an illegal order and tell you what the problem was. Are you willing to do this here, or will you stick with how you did it on the first turn (where you didn’t notify people if they had made illegal moves)? Just want your thoughts on this matter. Good idea - I’ve never been in a human-adjudicated game that did this, but I don’t see why it couldn’t be done. The catch might be that sometimes people submit an invalid order intentionally - God knows I’ve submitted orders to “Bul” instead of “Bel” more than once when it was convenient for me to appear to be trying to move to Belgium, but inconvenient for me to actually arrive. Tell you what, if anyone asks for me to check their orders for validity, I will do so, provided it’s not too close (say an hour or so) before the deadline. Fair? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/57 "2011-05-12T15:51:31Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Good idea - I’ve never been in a human-adjudicated game that did this, but I don’t see why it couldn’t be done. The catch might be that sometimes people submit an invalid order intentionally - God knows I’ve submitted orders to “Bul” instead of “Bel” more than once when it was convenient for me to appear to be trying to move to Belgium, but inconvenient for me to actually arrive. > > Tell you what, if anyone asks for me to check their orders for validity, I will do so, provided it’s not too close (say an hour or so) before the deadline. Fair? You sneaky little devil! I seriously have a lot to learn about this game. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/58 "2011-05-14T23:27:15Z")
I can’t get the realpolotik program to work. Can someone walk me through the steps to actually start the program using win7, using language that a person with casual familiarity with computers but absolutely no programming experience can understand? The faq says the following: > [@](#): > > Initialization > > Because Realpolitik is a cross-platform application, initialization gets a little wonky. There are certain platform-specific things that need to be done for initial startup, then some common initialization routines are called. Finally, Mac and Windows have completely different ways for handling drag-and-drop, so a second platform-specific split must occur. > > Realpolitik begins the action in the file Main.cpp. This contains the main startup routine (either main() or WinMain()) as well as the main event loop. There are also a number of platform-dependant globals defined here. The main startup routine begins by doing some platform-dependant initializations, then calls the routine InitializeCommon(), found in Initialize.cpp. This does some basic setup for Realpolitik: loading preferences, allocating memory for data structures, loading the list of variants, and creating the text windows. If this succeeds, Realpolitik moves on to either creating a new game or loading one from drag-and-drop. > > Macintosh drag-and-drop works by sending an AppleEvent event to the application. So Mac Realpolitik finishes calling InitializeCommon() and drops right into the main event loop. The AppleEvent is caught (in EventUtil.cpp), and the appropriate routine, either InitNewGame() or OpenFinderGame() is called. > > Windows drag-and-drop works by putting a file name in the cmdline for the application. If there is a filename there, Realpolitik calls OpenFinderGame(). Otherwise it calls InitNewGame(). Only then is the main event loop started up. > > InitNewGame() and OpenFinderGame() are pretty similar (in fact, in writing this document I realized that InitNewGame() should really just call OpenFinderGame(), using the .gam file for the variant). InitNewGame() works by setting the current variant to the last one used, initializing the map window (which also loads the map data for the variant) and then creating a new game, which reads the information from the .gam file. OpenFinderGame() opens the given file, sets the variant based on the file info, and then does the same initialization of the map window and loading game information, but this time from the .dpy file. > > When either InitNewGame() or OpenFinderGame() are done, control returns to the main event loop, and Realpolitk is ready to use. Those words make sense individually, but absolutely fail to have any kind of contextual meaning. I would also be happy with an alternative to using this program. Is there a browser based program that will let me simulate turns without having to initialize the antimatter containment field? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/59 "2011-05-14T23:56:12Z")
My thoughts exactly a week ago when I tried to get it to work. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770/60 "2011-05-15T04:31:59Z")
Hey??? It comes as a downloadable exe file which installs like a normal windows program… Of course, now I can’t find it via the main site, so I googled the name of the exe file and got [this download page](http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/sfnet_realpolitik/downloads/Realpolitik%20(Win)/1.7.0%20Alpha1%20Binaries/RPsetup-1.7.0a1.exe/). Give it a try, Grim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-modern-diplomacy-game-players-only-please/580770.md?page=4)