# SDMB Movie Club - week 15 - Star Wars **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 30, 2001, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547 "2001-10-30T16:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547/21 "2001-11-02T01:08:05Z")
> [@](#): > > **GuanoLad:** Luke was meant to be a whiny kid who was impatient to be a hero in the Academy. For sure. Even his _friends_ nicknamed him “Wormie.” This scene, from the 4[sup]th[/sup] draft of the script, was actually filmed & discarded: > [@](#): > > LUKE: I almost forgot. There’s a battle going on! Right here in our > system. Come and look! > > DEAK: Not again! Forget it. > > EXTERIOR: TATOOINE – ANCHORHEAD – SETTLEMENT – POWER STATION – DAY. > > ``` > The group stumbles out into the stifling desert sun. Camie and > The Fixer complain and are forced to shade their eyes. Luke > has his binoculars out scanning the heavens. > > ``` > > LUKE: There they are! > > ``` > Biggs takes the binoculars from Luke as the others strain > to see something with the naked eye. Through the binoculars > Biggs sees two small silver specks. > > ``` > > BIGGS: That’s no battle, hot shot…they’re just sitting there! > Probably a freighter-tanker refueling. > > LUKE: But there was a lot of firing earlier… > > ``` > Camie grabs the binoculars away banging them against the > building in the process. Luke grabs them. > > ``` > > LUKE: Hey, easy with those… > > CAMIE: **Don’t worry about it, Wormie.** > > ``` > The Fixer gives Luke a hard look and the young farm boy > shrugs his shoulders in resignation. > > ``` > > FIXER: I keep telling you, the Rebellion is a long way from here. I > doubt if the Empire would even fight to keep this system. Believe me > Luke, this planet is a big hunk of nothing… > > ``` > Luke agrees, although it's obvious he isn't sure why. The > group stumbles back into the power station, grumbling about > Luke's ineptitude. > > ``` As for merchandise, I was seven when Star Wars came out, and they hooked me good: All the bedding, _and curtains._ I don’t want to think about all the toys. The mind reels. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547/22 "2001-11-02T05:58:50Z")
I’ve always have some questions about Star Wars (Spoiler warnings!). This looks like as good a place as any to ask them: 1. When Lucas make ANH, did plan to make Luke the son of Vader? 2. Leia as his sister? 3. Vader would make C-3PO? (okay, just kidding on this one!) 4. More of an opinion, but why do most critics and fans consider ESB to be the best one? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547/23 "2001-11-02T06:20:10Z")
**1) When Lucas made ANH, did he plan to make Luke the son of Vader?** It’s hard to prove from evidence, as his early drafts suggest no. But the idea of the enemy being the hero’s father is a standard one. I believe he left his options open, and then confirmed it by ESB. **2) Leia as his sister?** No. The ‘other’ Yoda speaks of was meant to be someone unrelated altogether. Gary Kurtz was very disappointed in how Lucas evolved ROTJ, which was far different to his original plans. **4) More of an opinion, but why do most critics and fans consider ESB to be the best one?** Because the narrative is more direct, the tone is darker, the characters are at their coolest, and there’s Yoda, Lando, Boba Fett, and an amazing snow battle - these do not compare in quality with the others in the series. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2001, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547/24 "2001-11-02T13:39:11Z")
Lucas “appropriated” bits from a _lot_ of sources for **Star Wars**. It was done, I think deliberately, and part of the fun is finding out where items came from. – As as already been mentioned, he took some of the plot, and the characters of Han Solo, Princess Leia, and R2D2 and C-3PO from Akira Kurasawa’s **The Hidden Fortress**. Lucas has admitted to this. – Darth Vader’s costume is essentially that of Doctor Doom from The Fantastic Four comic book, but topped off with a samurai helmet (another homage to Kurasawa, I guess). – As I’ve explained at length, the ending is lifted, dialogue and all, from **The Dam Busters** [http://www.teemings.com/issue03/force.html](http://www.teemings.com/issue03/force.html) – The opening title “crawl” vanishing into the distance is taken directly from several of the 1940s serials. The whole atmosphere, in fact, resembles those serials (as does the feel of the Indiana Jones movies). – The culture of the spaceports and the gathering of aliens was a staple of science fiction of the 1940s and 1950s (and, to some degree, the comic books of the 1960s). Look at the bar scene in Delaney’s **Babel - 17** , or Catherine L. Moore’s stories of Northwest Smith (shades of Indiana Jones!), where pioneering spacefarers were modeled on pioneers on earth. – The skeleton in the baxckground of C-3P0]s wanderings at the beginning of SW looks like a sandworm from **Dune**. What really made Lucas’ filmd attractive was the way they played all of this with a straight face and to the hilt. They really immersed you in the Star Wars universe, filling it with so much believable detail that you _wanted_ to be there. (The two suns of the Tatooine sunset and the high-tech binoculars with their complex readouts didn’t \* have\* to be there – they’re tiotally irrelevant to the plot. But they create an undeniable mood and sense of otherworldliness. On the other hand, it’s a comfortable other world. Undle Owen and Aunt Beroo use food processors and don’t eat, say, live rats. They live underground, but in comfortable digs Sorry). The alien band in the Bar plays what sounds like Big Band music, not Krel Instrumentals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-movie-club-week-15-star-wars/90547.md?page=1)