# SDMB Newbie Diplomacy game **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 20, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873 "2003-01-20T22:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/301 "2003-02-24T20:58:33Z")
oops. _sigh_ This is why i should leave the typing to my loyal servants and concubines. ---
**Author:** ![Soup\_du\_jour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/302 "2003-02-24T21:07:06Z")
What are you talking about, **Sultan garius**? My plans are so secret, even I don’t know about them! 😉 Oh, and the deadline for the fall is Wednesday, right? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/303 "2003-02-24T21:29:48Z")
Autumn orders are due this Wednesday at 1 pm, CST (or 19:00 London, 20:00 CET). When your fall happens is yet to be determined. Perhaps Providence, plus a nice payment to my numbered account, shall stay Fate’s cruel hand. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/304 "2003-02-24T22:24:27Z")
_Sigh_ You try so hard to keep things straight, and the one non-noob player goes and undermines you. Autumn 1902 orders are due Wednesday at **Noon** CST. ---
**Author:** ![Soup\_du\_jour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/305 "2003-02-25T04:23:27Z")
Quick question for all y’all Dippers, that’s not about -GRY. Can a unit voluntarily disband without being dislodged? If so, when can it do this? The rulebook doesn’t say “yea” or “nay” to the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/306 "2003-02-25T10:12:47Z")
No it can’t, though I wouldn’t be shocked if there were variations created to allow it somehwere. Traditionally a unit may only disband when dislodged or when it exceeds the number of SCs to support it. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/307 "2003-02-25T14:50:25Z")
A common way around that is to have your ally attack your territory with the unit you don’t want. eg. Russia and Turkey ally, and need to get rid of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, both to keep the peace and to get it where it’s useful. Russia could move the fleet into Con in the spring, and Turkey attacks it with support in the fall. The fleet just retreats off the board, and can be rebuild as an army or northern fleet in the winter. I think I’d like a variant where you could freely disband units. ---
**Author:** ![Soup\_du\_jour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/308 "2003-02-25T16:53:34Z")
Thanks, y’all. Actually, **Abe Babe** , a Russian fleet in Sevestapol is exactly what I want to change. Good guess. ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/309 "2003-02-25T18:21:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Soup\_du\_jour \* > **Can a unit voluntarily disband without being dislodged? If so, when can it do this?** I asked the exact same question in one of these threads. I think it’d make the game more interesting; you’d be able to leave your home area almost defenseless and then just disband and build new whenever someone was threatening. I’ve found that the game is complicated enough without it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/310 "2003-02-25T18:42:16Z")
Tell you what…once I free up some game space I’ll run one of the weirder variants for you guys. How’s that? ---
**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/311 "2003-02-25T20:34:16Z")
count me in - get the feeling i may become addicted to this diplomacy thing. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/312 "2003-02-25T20:37:11Z")
Heh heh heh ---
**Author:** ![Soup\_du\_jour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Soup\_du\_jour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup_du_jour)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/313 "2003-02-25T22:44:30Z")
I may get in too. Add another “heh” to your collection, **Jonathan**. ---
**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/314 "2003-02-25T23:18:56Z")
its the girlfriend i feel sorry for. I only answer to “The Sultan” these days. and **Soupo** there is a Russian unit i’d quite happily disband too… ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/315 "2003-02-26T02:14:49Z")
I’ve been wanting to run a Sail Ho game (4 player, different map, more focus on fleet action) lately. It’d probably be a more quick and dirty game than standard. If anyone’s interested, drop me a line. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/316 "2003-02-26T02:48:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Tell you what…once I free up some game space I’ll run one of the weirder variants for you guys. > > How’s that? \*\* You guys want to get really far out there on varients, check out the post-modern game I’m in [here](http://www.thependletons.net/dip/1070/index.html). It’s a fairly straightforward post-modern varient, but with one big difference-Wings, a new type of unit that functions as an air force. This game uses completely new wing rules, making them vastly more versitile than wings as originally designed. You can find all of the wing rules [here](http://www.geocities.com/apocalypseinparadise/AirPowerIndex.html). ---
**Author:** ![Wikkit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c0e974/32.png) [@Wikkit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wikkit)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/317 "2003-02-26T03:00:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > \*\*You guys want to get really far out there on varients, check out the post-modern game I’m in [here](http://www.thependletons.net/dip/1070/index.html). It’s a fairly straightforward post-modern varient, but with one big difference-Wings, a new type of unit that functions as an air force. This game uses completely new wing rules, making them vastly more versitile than wings as originally designed. You can find all of the wing rules [here](http://www.geocities.com/apocalypseinparadise/AirPowerIndex.html). \*\* At that point, why not just play Axis & Allies? ---
**Author:** ![jessicala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb9ed0/32.png) [@jessicala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jessicala)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/318 "2003-02-26T04:57:06Z")
I am being outDipped by some top-class Dips, I think. 😛 Just remember this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally said by former deputy undersecretary of defense Jed Babbin \* > \*\*[G]oing to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/319 "2003-02-26T07:06:37Z")
But Mademoisele, have no fear. Your strong and virile Russian ally will always … What? Why are you all laughing? In re: another game, I think I may need another real game or two under my belt before I play a varient. I’m loving this, even though I’m getting kicked my Borscht kicked. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2003, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/320 "2003-02-26T07:41:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wikkit \* > \*\*At that point, why not just play Axis & Allies? \*\* [icy cold and superior] Diplomacy is about _strategy_ and relationships. A&A? Psshaw! That’s all just tactics. [/icy cold and superior] [sub]Am I right? I’ve never played Axis and Allies, but I get the impression it’s a more typical “wargame”[/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873.md?page=17)