# SDMB Newbie Diplomacy game

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 20, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873 "2003-01-20T22:44:37Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/101 "2003-02-03T15:49:19Z")

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enemies…everywhere…i…turn…

i’m going to go hide under the bed.

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**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/102 "2003-02-03T17:05:41Z")

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A quick rundown –

Austria - No great shakes. So far, so good

England – Aggressively to the north, do you really hate Russia this much? Do you really want to be stuck in St.P?

France – England as a friend, and a convenient bounce in Bur?

Germany – Always good to be anti-French. Where’s that Italian support?

Italy – Take a shot at Greece. Shibb will love you for it.

Russia – What is Warsaw holding for? Is he asking for invite? Gal is Russia’s. Make sure Austria knows that.

Turkey – All the outrage about a Lepanto, but someone forgot to tell Italy. Controlling the Black is always a good thing.

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**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/103 "2003-02-03T19:55:13Z")

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I’m glad **ppg\_shg** stepped up. I’d like to play peanut gallery for this game too, but I’m supposed to be unbiased and stuff so I’ll hold off.

Except for poking fun at **Shibb** – but I’m sure that won’t bother anybody, will it?

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**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/104 "2003-02-03T20:27:00Z")

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Another thing – if all you -GRY players want to watch another game develop, hie yourselves over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145741&perpage=50&pagenumber=1) and do some peanut gallery work your own selves. We are hurtin’ for commentary.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/105 "2003-02-03T20:44:41Z")

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Hell, _I_ owe Shibb a shot or two. But he’s been awful quiet lately.

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**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/106 "2003-02-03T22:33:15Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by White Lightning \*  
> \*\*Another thing – if all you -GRY players want to watch another game develop, hie yourselves over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145741&perpage=50&pagenumber=1) and do some peanut gallery work your own selves. We are hurtin’ for commentary. \*\*

\<wayne’s world\>

we are not worthy…we are not worthy…

\</waynes world\>

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/107 "2003-02-03T23:11:52Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \*  
> \*\*Hell, _I_ owe Shibb a shot or two. But he’s been awful quiet lately. \*\*

Maybe we should deconstruct that last game at some point, once all of the bile is gone. Can’t say enough about Germany’s bizarre moves in that game. I did try and post some comments here around 1-2 pm, but the hamster’s would have none of it. I was anyway just trying to do what **White Lightning** just did.

And it is making me just a wee bit uncomfortable when all of my former “friends” from Dip 1046 keep peeking in this thread.

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**Author:** ![garius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e19b73/32.png) [@garius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garius)\
**Post date:** [February 3, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/108 "2003-02-03T23:26:16Z")

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they are just waiting for you to fail.

feel the pressure my friend, feel the pressure… 🙂

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/109 "2003-02-04T00:37:13Z")

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You have friends, Shibb?

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/110 "2003-02-04T02:18:29Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \*  
> \*\*You have friends, Shibb? \*\*

Apparently only the type that remove from you the pressure to have enemies.

“Come out and visit us at the mountain”, he said, “we’ve done up the root cellar right nice for ya’ll. And there ain’t no one else round here for miles…”

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**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/111 "2003-02-04T07:08:37Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by ShibbOleth \*  
> \*\*Maybe we should deconstruct that last game at some point, once all of the bile is gone. Can’t say enough about Germany’s bizarre moves in that game. I did try and post some comments here around 1-2 pm, but the hamster’s would have none of it. I was anyway just trying to do what **White Lightning** just did.
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> And it is making me just a wee bit uncomfortable when all of my former “friends” from Dip 1046 keep peeking in this thread. \*\*

Personally I would like that, although Nate has so many games going, he probably can’t remember, and I believe I have received a good hearty dose of WL’s thoughts on the matter.

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/112 "2003-02-04T13:12:07Z")

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> \*Originally posted by ppg\_shg \*  
> \*\*Personally I would like that, although Nate has so many games going, he probably can’t remember, and I believe I have received a good hearty dose of WL’s thoughts on the matter. \*\*

People do often get overly emotional about these things. I hope everyone here can keep their heads, particularly the Hapsburgs.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/113 "2003-02-04T13:50:29Z")

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Oh, shame. What happens in game remains in game.

Or else we’d have had at least one Cat23 murder by now.

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**Author:** ![ppg\_shg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@ppg\_shg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ppg_shg)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/114 "2003-02-04T15:32:12Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \*  
> \*\*Oh, shame. What happens in game remains in game.
> 
> Or else we’d have had at least one Cat23 murder by now. \*\*

I know it. Still though after that brutal assault on Italy in 1046:George, I decided not to invite Abe Babe over for any number of weeks.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/115 "2003-02-04T15:49:56Z")

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Certainly not for a barbecue. I betcha he’s dangerous with a spatula.

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**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/116 "2003-02-04T17:36:44Z")

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> [@](#):
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> _Originally posted by **ppg\_shg** _  
> I believe I have received a good hearty dose of WL’s thoughts on the matter.

> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by \*\*Jonathan Chance \*\*\*  
> Oh, shame. What happens in game remains in game.

I hope nobody reads any implication here that I’m holding a grudge. After I was eliminated from 1046 (quite soon after, IIRC) I wrote **ppg\_shg** an email to let him know that nothing from that game would carry over once that game ended, and that there certainly were no enduring hard feelings.

Not that I’m exactly happy with his behavior so far in **Abe** ’s game. But that’s a matter for [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145741&pagenumber=4).  
At any rate, I’d love to participate in a 1046 EOG thread (or continuation of the 1046 thread that’s already in the 2002 SDMB HOF). A _lot_ of interesting stuff happened in that game.

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/117 "2003-02-04T17:58:18Z")

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Hey, what can I say? In electronic form it’s sometimes difficult to tell if the vitriol is for show or serious. I had a good time in Dip 1046, although it became a bit of a grind at the end. Of course, part of that was strategy, sort of like rope-a-dope or the four corners strategy in basketball. It seemed to have worked, too, for the most part. If anybody wants to bump the old thread back up somewhere or start a new one I’ll try and put my perspective in there. Might be useful for the new players here if they’ve got the patience to digest it all.

And I was jesting (hopefully) about tender feelings on that one. I really enjoyed playing with **McG** , **WL** and **JC** in that one, although I felt particularly bad about stabbing JC. And it was probably the worst stab in the history of the game. Maybe I just don’t have the stomach for a good stab.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/118 "2003-02-04T18:01:39Z")

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Looked damn all good from here.

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**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/119 "2003-02-04T19:42:12Z")

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[QUOTE]  
\*Originally posted by ppg\_shg \*  
\*\*I know it. Still though after that brutal assault on Italy in 1046:George, I decided not to invite Abe Babe over for any number of weeks. \*\*[/QUOTE

A-hyuh. Like I’d go to Dallas.

In my view, 1046 was miserable. I started on the basic Lepanto, but couldn’t get any support from Russia, so sailed all the way back to stab France, and have the gains immediately taken away by the pasty-faced Englishman, helped Austria gain strength, while not taking any for myself, then to be stabbed by him.

On reflection, I should have taken Turkey up on his repeated offers to help anyone take down Austria. That could have given me a land force in the Balkans.

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**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-newbie-diplomacy-game/149873/120 "2003-02-04T20:45:21Z")

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> \*Originally posted by \*\*Abe Babe \*\*\*  
> On reflection, I should have taken Turkey up on his repeated offers to help anyone take down Austria. That could have given me a land force in the Balkans.

If only.  
Guys, since we all seem to be waxing nostalgic already, why don’t we shift this discussion to [1046’s own thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132768&perpage=50&pagenumber=15)?

Or maybe start a new one like **Shibb** suggested. That one’s already a monster, and would be a lot to wade through. On the other hand, it’s also got some good material for any interested newbies.

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