# SDMB NFL Pick 'em and Survival leagues

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [August 8, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860 "2007-08-08T14:34:58Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/141 "2007-10-28T23:09:50Z")

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I know - I want to see Tampa Bay!

52-7 is enough!

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/142 "2007-10-28T23:16:12Z")

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2 people in the survival league picked Tampa.  
Sweat it out.  
Btw, not sure if it’s an issue here, but Fox can’t show CBS games and vice versa, even if their game is a blowout or over, and the other game is interesting. At least that’s how I understand it.

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**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/143 "2007-10-28T23:32:58Z")

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I didn’t realize it was a CBS game when I posted it.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/144 "2007-10-30T23:16:13Z")

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Top 3 this week:

Straight up:

12 soulmurk’s Stinkers  
11 Deep Fried Demons  
10 Blindfolded guesses(EsoEnigma), Kid\_A, bearflag70, Court Jesters, asterion, Stuffy’s picks, labtrash

Confidence:  
90 soulmurk’s Stinkers  
84 Deep Fried Demons  
81 Checkered Demon

Spread:  
9 **soulmurk’s Stinkers** , Court Jesters  
8 Blindfolded guesses(EsoEnigma), Kid\_A, Shibb’s Unskilled Hacks, Hal’s Rabid Ferrets, asterion, Stuffy’s picks, Omni’s Crystal Balls

Top overall scores:

Straight up:

78 Blindfolded guesses(EsoEnigma)  
77 Unskilled Hacks (Shibb)  
76 soulmurk’s Stinkers

Confidence:

682 Varlos – Makin’ It Rain  
658 Hal’s Rabid Ferrets  
647 Southern Yankees  
Spread:  
58 Varlos the DVOA Pimp, NurseCarmen  
56 Shibb’s Unskilled Hacks, Court Jesters

2 survival eliminations this weel: Isotopes and Shibb both picked Tampa against Jax. Jax tends to be involved one way or another with a whole lot of our eliminations, stemming back from last year.

We have 6.5 players left: Myself, Kid\_A, Deep Fried Demons, meek’s freaks, borshevsky, and Kiros. I say 6.5 because Varlos is still unofficially playing. He missed making his pick a few weeks ago, but he’s been saying who he would’ve picked so he’s still sort of unofficially involved.

I’d say based on teams used, Kiros has the best chance.

This week is horrible for me, by the way. I was saving Indy for a rainy day, but this isn’t the week. No other games available to me are appealing.  
Grats to Soulmurk for an awesome week. Not easy to finish first in all 3 leagues.

I’ve been hurt somewhat by the whole drop a week thing because I’ve been fairly consistent. It ends up slightly (over the course of a 16 game season) favoring the a more flukey person with highs and lows. For instance, say one player scores 11 one week and 4 the next, and another scores 9 and 9. The second (consistent) player scored my points - 18, but when you drop a week, the 11/4 player wins.

Still, my performance has been pretty dissapointing - last year I almost won all 3 leagues (I ended finishing up second in each) but I forgot to pick the Thanksgiving games until it was too late and that put me behind.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/145 "2007-11-03T10:15:35Z")

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16.1% of people who started yahoo survival this year are still alive, ignoring players that were eliminated from non-picks. That is… 16.1% of the people who made a pick every week or until their elimination are still around.

6 of 17 of us are alive also ignoring players eliminated by having no pick. We’re 7/18 if you include Varlos, who’s been unofficially making picks. 7/18 is 38%, and 6/17 is 35%, both more than double the average.

Some of the ESPN "[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/features/talent]“experts”[/url are catching up to us with pick 'em.  
Our top 4  
EsoEnigma 78  
Shibb 77  
Soulmirk 76  
SenorBeef 75

Their top 4:  
Schlereth 78  
Jaworski\* 76  
Mortensen 75  
Hoge 74

- Jaws doesn’t pick MNF games because he commentates on them, so he’s 76/109 (69.7%) vs our best’s 78/116 (67.2%).

Come on guys, we’re smarter than the guys at ESPN. I’ve been playing it too conservatively this year, picking the favorites too much.

There are a lot of close games this weekend and I know I’m going to have to put more thought into my picks. And survival is pretty brutal too… there’s only one game I feel good about, but I’m not sure if I want to use that team yet.

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**Author:** ![\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/7cd45c/32.png) [@\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Deep_F_ied)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/146 "2007-11-04T01:36:14Z")

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[QUOTE=SenorBeef]  
Top overall scores:  
Confidence:

682 Varlos – Makin’ It Rain  
658 Hal’s Rabid Ferrets  
647 Southern Yankees  
[/quote]

Wait… aren’t I in third?  
Don’t take away my bronze medal. This may be as close as I can get to glory.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/147 "2007-11-04T02:07:03Z")

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[QUOTE=«Ðëëp¤F®ïêd»™]  
Wait… aren’t I in third?  
Don’t take away my bronze medal. This may be as close as I can get to glory.  
[/QUOTE]

I was listing them by top overall score. You’re third in the adjusted score - but since you can see that ranking on the first page of the group I figured it’d be more interesting to rank by total points here. It’s unofficial, just an extra information thing.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/148 "2007-11-04T04:41:54Z")

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Picking survival and confidence was really hard this week. I picked my top 3 confidence games, then I looked over the list about 5 times before I could come up with my 11 pointer. I don’t feel strongly at all about more than 3 games this week.

Reminder:  
Shibb  
Omni  
Varlos (including survival, if you want to keep making unofficial picks)  
and Kiros (survival)

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2007, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/149 "2007-11-11T06:47:38Z")

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Reminder:  
Mad The Swine  
Shibb  
Garygnu  
Kid A  
Varlos  
asterion  
Kiros (survival)

Thanks everyone, by the way, for having such high participation. It’s more fun when everyone is in it till the end.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/150 "2007-11-14T09:05:26Z")

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Weekly high scores:

Straight up:  
8 **Hal’s Rabid Ferrets** , Mad The Swine, labtrash

Confidence:  
66 Omni’s Crystal Balls  
62 Checkered Demon, bearflag70

Spread:  
8 **Omni’s Crystal Balls** , Mad The Swine  
6 Varlos the DVOA Pimp, Blindfolded guesses(EsoEnigma)

Overall:

Straight up:  
94 Blindfolded guesses(EsoEnigma)  
93 labtrash  
92 SeñorBeef’s Pain Train

Confidence:  
813 Varlos – Makin’ It Rain  
791 Checkered Demon  
790 Kid\_A

Spread:  
74 Varlos the DVOA Pimp  
71 Court Jesters  
70 NurseCarmen

Survival eliminations:  
Kiros, Kid\_A NOR vs STL

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/151 "2007-11-14T09:16:18Z")

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The survival league has completed and **meeks’ freaks** is the winner by picking Seattle. That’s 10 straight good picks.

For the record, here’s how the league shook out:

Rank, team name, week, team picked, team lost to

1 meeks’ reeks WINNER  
2 Kid\_A Week 10 NOR STL  
2 Kiros Week 10 NOR STL  
3 SenorBeef Week 9 SDG @MIN  
3 Deep Fried Demons Week 9 SDG @MIN  
3 borschevsky Week 9 SDG @MIN  
4 Unskilled Hacks (Shibb) Week 8 TAM JAC  
4 Isotopes Week 8 TAM JAC  
5 Hal’s Rabid Ferrets Week 6 ARI CAR  
6 Varlos & the Zzzzzzz’s Week 5  
7 Mad The Swine Week 4 SDG KAN  
7 Omni’s Crystal Balls Week 4 SDG KAN  
7 Stuffy’s picks Week 4 SDG KAN  
7 asterion Week 4 HOU @ATL  
8 bearflag70 Week 3 DEN JAC  
9 garygnu Week 2 NOR @TAM  
10 No Use For a Name Week 2 CIN @CLE  
10 NurseCarmen Week 2  
10 Team of Scientists Week 2  
10 Mullinator Week 2 NOR @TAM  
10 Southern Yankees Week 2 CIN @CLE  
10 soulmurk’s Guess-O-Matic 4000 Week 2 CIN @CLE  
11 Frosted\_Lightning Week 1 ARI @SFO  
11 Court Jesters Week 1 KAN @HOU  
11 labtrash Week 1  
11 Fear the Turtle Week 1 JAC TEN  
11 Dob Week 1  
11 Cyberhwk’s Survivors Week 1 JAC TEN

I’m going to put this in big bold letters so everyone reads this.

THE SURVIVAL LEAGUE WILL BE RESET

Everyone will be able to make picks again for the rest of the season. We may not have a single winner in the next 7 weeks, but it’ll be fun to see who can make it that far. Fresh start.

Congratulations to Meek.

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**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/152 "2007-11-14T15:28:17Z")

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This week was a killer across the boards. I am very, very surprised I’m in second on the spread league. Even more surprising is that I haven’t ever won a week.

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**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/153 "2007-11-14T16:39:36Z")

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Here’s what it’s like trying to play catch up in Confidence.

My total points:

Weeks 1-6: Rank 20/22 [431 pts.]

Weeks 7-10: Rank 1/22 [306 pts.]

Weeks 1-10: Rank 17/22 [737 pts.]

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**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\
**Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/154 "2007-11-14T17:53:52Z")

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[QUOTE=Bearflag70]  
Here’s what it’s like trying to play catch up in Confidence.

My total points:

Weeks 1-6: Rank 20/22 [431 pts.]

Weeks 7-10: Rank 1/22 [306 pts.]

Weeks 1-10: Rank 17/22 [737 pts.]  
[/QUOTE]

Applying some quick math…

Rank 20 x 6 weeks = 120  
Rank 1 x 4 weeks = 4  
120 + 4 = 124  
124 / 10 weeks = 12.4

12.4 \<---- That’s the rank I **should** have 😉  
17.0 \<---- Actual rank of total points ☹

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2007, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/155 "2007-11-18T08:45:08Z")

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Reminders.

**THE SURVIVAL LEAGUE WAS RESET. YOU CAN MAKE NEW PICKS**

A lot of people haven’t made a survival pick. I won’t name them all as it’d be a long list.

For the pick ‘em games:  
Mad The Swine  
Unskilled Hacks (Shibb)  
Omni’s Crystal Balls  
garygnu  
meeks eeks!  
Varlos – Makin’ It Rain  
asterion

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**Author:** ![Fear\_the\_Turtle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_the_turtle/32/2926_2.png) [@Fear\_the\_Turtle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_the_Turtle)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/156 "2007-11-18T17:31:55Z")

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Thanks for the heads up **SenorBeef**. I guess, like me, a lot of people didn’t know it reset.

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**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2007, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/157 "2007-11-19T20:27:52Z")

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A reminder to all:

Starting this week, **Survivor** picks must be made by **Wednesday** nights, as must the pick’em leagues for Thursday games. Anyone also in fantasy should watch their lineups for Thursday games.

Heh, two people chose Pittsburgh. The attrition has begun.

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/158 "2007-11-21T01:02:11Z")

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[QUOTE=D\_Odds]  
A reminder to all:

Starting this week, **Survivor** picks must be made by **Wednesday** nights, as must the pick’em leagues for Thursday games. Anyone also in fantasy should watch their lineups for Thursday games.

Heh, two people chose Pittsburgh. The attrition has begun.  
[/QUOTE]

oops.

oh well.

:smack:

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/159 "2007-11-21T22:02:14Z")

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Last year I came in 2nd in all 3 pick 'em leagues. Last year I also forgot to set my Thanksgiving day picks, which is probably what cost me some wins.

So… learn from my mistake. **PICK YOUR THURSDAY GAMES**. You don’t have to do all your games now if you don’t want, just those.

Survival picks must also be in before the first game of the week begins.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-nfl-pick-em-and-survival-leagues/414860/160 "2007-11-22T15:45:53Z")

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Reminder:

Frosted\_Lightning  
garygnu  
Cyberhwk’s Sage Selections  
Stuffy’s picks

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