# SDMB Poker Q1 2011: That's jacked and other whining **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 5, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528 "2011-01-05T20:11:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/81 "2011-02-09T14:22:27Z")
What’s the board position? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/82 "2011-02-09T14:35:42Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > What’s the board position? \*\* You are under the gun, first to bet. \*\* Is this what you are asking? And yes, this is more a metaphor than an actual hand. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/83 "2011-02-09T15:12:36Z")
The way my luck’s been going lately it would be better for me to fold in hopes of a better hand on the blind. I haven’t gotten any luck in the past couple weeks, the best I’ve done is not gotten unlucky, which is enough to finish in the money in a regular tournament, but not the insane top 1% you need in the regular freerolls. Just yesterday I saw a few chumps raising in an Omaha Hi game and I thought they didnt have anything so I went all in with just a 7-10 rainbow, figuring I was at a disadvantage against any one of them, but combined, if I got a straight I would most likely beat them all because my read was they didn’t have anything. So we were all in and sure enough none of the 5 had a pair and they only had 3 cards higher than a 10 between them. I got a straight. I got beat by a river flush. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/84 "2011-02-09T15:25:58Z")
**Meeko** , I Shove with just the ACE, doesn’t matter what position or the other card. You probably have less than 5 BB blinds if you are at 10% of your original stack. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/85 "2011-02-09T15:54:20Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > **Meeko** , I Shove with just the ACE, doesn’t matter what position or the other card. You probably have less than 5 BB blinds if you are at 10% of your original stack. Yeah. The other way to calculate the Ace was that it was / is a bird in the hand. Was thinking about my new job, and what perspective to have on it, and poker entered my head. I reasoned out that accepting the job (As indeed I have) is the same as shoving with A-2 suited in the same set up I described. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/86 "2011-02-09T16:13:51Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > You are the short stack at the table, having just over 1/10th of your original stack. Your first card is the Ace of spades. Second card is Two of spades. You are under the gun. Every last bit of instinct, intuition, gut feeling, etc is with you, in your favor. > > Do you shove all in? What are the blinds and how do they relate to your stack? How big’s the ring? FWIW, A2s has a Nash number of 20+. Its Sklansky-Chubakov number is 58.142. You are a 2-1 dog against any PP besides 22 and AA. (22 is roughly 3-2 favorite, AA is roughly 8-1) You are around a 28-67 dog (there are about 4% pushes to deal with) dog against AK off, and a 56-43 favorite against KQs. If both a medium PP and AK call (I’ll be nice and leave you all of your suited outs) then you have about 13.8% chance to win the pot. Not the worse thing in the world if you are in shove or fold territory, but certainly not ideal. Congrats on the job, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/87 "2011-02-09T16:24:35Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Not the worse thing in the world if you are in shove or fold territory, but certainly not ideal. That’s implied, but again, as it’s a job metaphor, I don’t think it’s going to get much better. Gotta take a swing at this one. Pocket aces would have been getting a job that uses my degree, in a position that I’m not too sure exists. [Advertising copywriter, that exclusively writes copy and creates and produces all aspects of campaigns.] At least, it doesn’t exist to a guy who graduated in 2007, with virtually no experience. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/88 "2011-02-11T00:41:50Z")
Thursday Night Bump. Its Poker Night People! ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/89 "2011-02-11T04:40:34Z")
Tonight’s Results 1. Ghosty 2. CraneOp 3. Mentalguy 4. Meeko 5. fubbs 6. Ludo 7. Mensa 8. Redskeezix 9. Missy 10. Oslo 11. Yeti 12. Dag ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/90 "2011-02-11T04:45:54Z")
Standings: 1 Dag Otto 83.2 2 Yeticus Rex 73.9 3 Gray Ghost 71.8 4 MissTake 64.8 5 Oslo Ostragoth 64.1 6 Red Skeezix 62.5 7 frosted glass 62.3 8 Ludovic 61.1 9 notfrommensa 49.6 10 MentalGuy 46.9 11 Craneop2 43.0 12 GreenHell 34.0 13 peekercpa 32.0 14 Meeko 25.5 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/91 "2011-02-11T07:49:11Z")
Ended up getting 212th in the Hubble. Yeah, my 55k was no match to the 156 and the 2XX chip leaders. Had a good enough hand, and they swung their dicks around. Wasn’t good enough, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/92 "2011-02-11T08:53:59Z")
Got exactly 72 in Tombaugh (PLO/PLNH). Went out, as per usual, with the best hand, but did run into some luck along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/93 "2011-02-12T01:13:13Z")
Kid Poker mixing it up at PStars **right now**. Looks like he bought into three tables at $50K each. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/94 "2011-02-12T02:45:14Z")
Just saw this hand: (6 players) $100 and $200 blinds UTG Folds UTG+1 raise to $600 UTG+2 folds Button re-raises to $2200 Small Blind (Daniel folds) Big Blind Folds UTG+1 comes over the top and re-raise to $5800 Button Calls Flop 10h-7h-7s UTG+1 bets $6800 Button Calls Turn 6 diamonds check check River Ace diamonds check check UTG+1 has pocket 4’s Button has 9/6 spades to win the $25000+ pot even if I had the money, I don’t have the guts to play like this ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/95 "2011-02-12T05:49:32Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Just saw this hand: (6 players) $100 and $200 blinds > > UTG Folds > UTG+1 raise to $600 > UTG+2 folds > Button re-raises to $2200 > Small Blind (Daniel folds) > Big Blind Folds > UTG+1 comes over the top and re-raise to $5800 > Button Calls > > Flop 10h-7h-7s > > UTG+1 bets $6800 > Button Calls > > Turn 6 diamonds > > check > check > > River Ace diamonds > > check > check > > UTG+1 has pocket 4’s > Button has 9/6 spades to win the $25000+ pot > > even if I had the money, I don’t have the guts to play like this I guess I could always go to Stars and watch, but IYK, what were the stacks? 100k each? It really slowed down after the flop. The 6800 bet was just a cbet and not a shove—it’d be far more surprising if he checked instead after 4-betting pre. I imagine this is an example of the “fourth-level thinking” that Sklansky wrote about, but to my untutored eye it looks not much different than behavior you’d see at a sloppy uNL table on Friday night. Or play money. OTOH, it just about makes it impossible to pin down these guys’ range. Which may be the point. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/96 "2011-02-12T14:43:20Z")
IIRC, UTG+1 had a starting stack of ~60K and Button had ~80K ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/97 "2011-02-14T05:11:47Z")
BTW, the last time I checked, Negreanu was up about $40K after about two hours of play. He routinely doubles up after a few hours of play. I could use a job like that. Or mad poker skilz. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/98 "2011-02-14T13:53:32Z")
I JUST missed making the Casting Pool for the televised Big Game where I’d get $100K in starting chips and be able to take back any profits. But I assume there’d be a personality screen in the Casting Pool and not just another tournament, so I wouldn’t have made it anyway :sad: But at least I finished in the top 1%. And I got the rare “nice hand” compliment that was real, and not just a backhanded way to say “you got lucky”. I got a 1010 and simply called, and the BB almost doubled the pot. I called again. The flop was 2-3-10o. I knew that the flop meant he was going to play his hand strong (either he had high cards or was bluffing,) so I checked. He raised it 7K, doubling the pot again, making the pot about 20% of our stacks. I went all in and he called. He had JJ. Next card was a 10 for the quad win. Other player on the board “That was Awesome! VNH!” ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/99 "2011-02-18T04:51:43Z")
Back in the Saddle again 13 peek 12 frosty 11 gray 10 MG 9 OO 8 skeez 7 yeti 6 missy 5 ludo 4 fubbs 3 meeko 2 crane 1 Not Fricking Mensa again woot woot ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528/100 "2011-02-18T14:02:40Z")
Poker calculator tells me I had 37% chance in that hand versus max 29% for everyone else. I’m starting to wear my bad beats as a badge of honor\*. Unfortunately I only got a freeroll ticket yesterday due to some bad beating of my own, so it evened out today. \*True, you can’t call losing to any one particular 37% 4-way hand a bad beat, but when it forms a pattern, you can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-poker-q1-2011-thats-jacked-and-other-whining/566528.md?page=6)