# SDMB POTUS Single Transferable Vote Poll! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 29, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390 "2007-10-29T01:03:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/1 "2007-10-29T01:03:38Z")
OK, I’ve been thinking about the field of self-proclaimed candidates for President of the United States of America. While I don’t have a strong preference for Single Transferable Vote (STV) when electing an official, I do think it’s quite good for opinion polling. So, I’m going to start an STV poll. This thread is for polling. Arguments about the merits STV, or of specific candidates or parties, can go in another thread. I’m using the list of major candidates from here–[2008 United States presidential election - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2008#Candidates_and_potential_candidates) (sorry, I skipped a lot, mostly candidates for minor party noms & objects of draft movements)–but you can add anyone you have an opinion about to your ranking. Democrats: \* Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware \* Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York \* Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut \* John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina \* Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska \* Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio \* Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois \* Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy Grand Old Party: \* Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City \* Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas \* Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California \* Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council \* John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona \* Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas \* Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts \* Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado \* Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee Potential Unity '08 draftees: \* Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City \* Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R-Nebraska) Self-declared potential Independent candidates that I might know from Adam: \* Michael Moriarty, actor, writer, musician, and political activist. \* Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator (D-Georgia) OK, here’s how the voting works. You pick your first choice, that’s your #1. Then your second is #2, & on down the line. Feel free to ignore those you can’t take seriously or have no opinion about. Also, you can indicate a point at which you’re actively disapproving of candidates, but want to rank them further (For example, I’ve got 21 candidates here, so I might skip over those I’m ignorant about & rank Tom Tancredo #21. Or #179, just to make the point that I prefer any schizophrenics on the list to him.) The final ranking is a little complex. I’m not that worried about creating an overall tally right now, I just want to see how Dopers rank candidates. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/2 "2007-10-29T01:13:25Z")
OK, here’re my rankings: 1. Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware 2. Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut 3. Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois 4. Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator (D-Georgia) 5. Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio 6. John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina 7. Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy 8. John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona 9. Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York 10. Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R-Nebraska) 11. Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City 12. Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee 13. Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council 14. Michael Moriarty, actor, writer, musician, and political activist Here commenceth the “I really don’t approve”: 15. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas 16. Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City 17. Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska (I know nothing about him but that he’s for the “Fair Tax,” which I think is bad.) 18. Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts 19. Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas 20. Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California 21. Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado Mike Gravel was almost left off the list due to my ignorance, but I deplore some of the others enough to put them below an unknown quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Paladud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Paladud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paladud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/3 "2007-10-29T08:30:54Z")
Good 1. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas Sorta acceptable 2) Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado 3) Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas Murky waters 4) Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee 5) Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California 6) Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R-Nebraska) Possibly preferable to Cthulhu 7) Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska 8) Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy 9) Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois On par with Cthulhu (most of the rest, in no particular order) I want to be eaten first! Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/4 "2007-10-29T10:23:53Z")
#1: Barack Obama #2: Bill Richardson #3: Chris Dodd #4: John Edwards #5: Hillary Clinton #6: Dennis Kucinich #7: Joe Biden #8: Mike Gravel #9: Ron Paul #10: John McCain –DO NOT WANT– #11: Mitt Romney #12: Fred Thompson #13: Mike Huckabee #14: Rudy Giuliani #15: Tom Tancredo ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/5 "2007-10-29T11:10:45Z")
1. Ron Paul 2. Mike Bloomberg 3. Barrack Obama . . . 4. Hillary Clinton . . . 5. Rudy Giuliani 6. Tom Tancredo 7. Alan Keyes 8. Mike Gravel ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/6 "2007-10-29T13:38:49Z")
1. Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City 2. Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City 3. John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona 4. Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy 5. Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York 6. Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut 7. Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois 8. Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska 9. Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware 10. Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio 11. John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina 12. Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R-Nebraska) 13. Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator (D-Georgia) 14. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas 15. Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts 16. Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado 17. Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee 18. Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas ??) Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California 19. Michael Moriarty, actor, writer, musician, and political activist. 20. Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/7 "2007-10-29T16:08:59Z")
Without regard to electablity, my preferences are as follows: I WOULD VOTE ENTHUSIASTICALLY FOR 1 Al Gore, elected President in 2000 2 John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina 3 Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware 4 Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio 5 Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska I WOULD VOTE WITH NO PARTICULAR PASSION FOR 6 Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut 7 Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy 8 Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois BETTER THAN A KICK IN THE BUTT WITH A FROZEN BOOT 9 Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York 10 Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas DISLIKE WITH NO PARTICULAR PASSION 11 Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas 12 Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts 13 John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona MAKES MOVING TO CANADA ATTRACTIVE 14 Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee REJECTED SPAWNS OF SATAN 15 Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City 16 Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California 17 Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado 18 Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/8 "2007-10-29T16:38:51Z")
1. Edwards 2. Dodd 3. Obama 4. Clinton 5. Richardson 6. Biden 7. Kucinich 8. Gravel 9. Bloomberg 10. Nunn 11. Hagel 12. Romney 13. Moriarty, whoever the fuck he is 14. McCain 15. Thompson 16. Huckabee 17. Paul 18. Hunter 19. Tancredo 20. Giuliani 21. Keyes ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/9 "2007-10-29T18:18:13Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] 1 Al Gore, elected President in 2000 [/QUOTE] Well okay, put him at #3 on my list. He wasn’t listed in the Op. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/10 "2007-10-29T19:29:25Z")
ENTHUSIASTIC-ISH ABOUT 1. Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio 2. Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois LUKEWARM ABOUT 1. Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York 2. Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico and former Secretary of Energy 3. Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City EXTREMELY “MEH” ABOUT 1. Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska 2. John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina DO NOT WANT 3. Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas 4. John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona 5. Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts 6. Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR A LEMUR 1. Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado 2. Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee 3. Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/11 "2007-10-29T20:27:54Z")
I was actually surprised to see Alan Keyes listed as a candidate. I think he’s becoming a perennial candidate of LaRouchian dimension. It amuses me to see “Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council” at the bottom of everyone’s list. He is kind of a nut. I still prefer him to Tancredo. Now I think of it, I might move Moriarty above Keyes & Thompson. I like Ben Stone better than Arthur Branch. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/12 "2007-10-29T22:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] Now I think of it, I might move Moriarty above Keyes & Thompson. I like Ben Stone better than Arthur Branch. [/QUOTE] Can we vote for Jack McCoy??? WOULD EASILY VOTE FOR 1. Dodd (I’m shocked that he comes closest to my positions, but there it is). 2. Clinton 3. Biden 4. Kucinich GENERALLY APPROVE OF, ONE OR MORE MAJOR MISGIVINGS 5. Richardson (I really really want to like him better, but just can’t) 6. Bloomberg 7. Edwards 8. Obama 9. Nunn 10. McCain DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ??. Hagel ??. Hunter ??. Gravel ??. Moriarty NO THANKS 15. Giuliani 16. Romney 17. Thompson MOVING TO BELARUS 18. Paul 19. Huckaby 20. Keyes 21. Tancredo OTHERS MENTIONED: Gore would go in the first group. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/13 "2007-10-29T22:32:19Z")
Would vote for: 1. Al Gore 2. Barack Obama 3. John Edwards 4. Sam Nunn 5. Bill Richardson 6. Christopher Dodd 7. Michael Bloomberg 8. Hillary Clinton 9. Joe Biden 10. Mike Gravel Would reluctantly accept despite philosophical differences 1. John McCain 2. Chuck Hagel 3. Dennis Kucinich 4. Fred Thompson Better than no president, I guess: 1. Ron Paul 2. Mitt Romney 3. Mike Huckabee Anarchy is looking like a better alternative: 1. Alan Keyes 2. Rudolph Giuliani 3. Duncan Hunter 4. Tom Tancredo 5. Michael Moriarty ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/14 "2007-10-30T00:09:23Z")
Should I just add Gore to the mix, because of the draft movement? I think he doesn’t want the job, so I skipped him. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/15 "2007-10-30T03:13:52Z")
Gore still hasn’t definitively ruled out jumping into the race. (I don’t think he will, though, barring a Hillary implosion.) ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/16 "2007-10-30T03:27:42Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Gore still hasn’t definitively ruled out jumping into the race. (I don’t think he will, though, barring a Hillary implosion.) [/QUOTE] Deadline to get in the New Hampshire primary was today. Gore’s not running. Unless things melt down at the convention, he won’t be running (and even there he’s a longshot). ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/17 "2007-10-30T04:05:15Z")
[QUOTE=Wilson] Can we vote for Jack McCoy??? [/QUOTE] I’m leaning toward the Tutuola/Munch ticket. 🙂 Okay, here’s mine: Would enthusiastically vote for, but probably for the wrong reasons: 1. Clinton 2. Kucinich 3. Gore 4. Richardson 5. Obama Would unenthusiastically vote for, and for the right reasons: 6. Edwards 7. Biden 8. Dodd 9. Gravel Would be sorely tempted to vote for, definitely for the wrong reasons: 10. Giuliani 11. McCain 12. Bloomberg 13. Thompson (only if he promises to stay in character for his whole term. No exceptions) 14. Romney * * * This space occupied by totally non-viable candidates and/or people I’ve never even heard of * * * Wouldn’t vote for, for the right reasons: 20. Huckabee 21. Paul 22. Keyes ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/18 "2007-11-02T03:29:16Z")
I have the sense that the OP wants me to ignore electability. The Right Leaders For America 1 Al Gore 2 Barack Obama 3 Christopher Dodd 4 Hillary Clinton 5 Edwards 6 Bill Richardson Would be acceptable 7 Michael Bloomberg 8 Joe Biden 9 Sam Nunn I do not support these candidates 10 John McCain Insert some crazies here 11 Mike Gravel 12 Dennis Kucinich Ok back to the list 13 Mike Huckabee 14 Mitt Romney 15 Tommy Thompson (no longer a candidate) 16 Fred Thompson More crazies and corrupt slimeballs 17 Alan Keyes 18 Tom Tancrendo 19 Ron Paul 20 Duncan Hunter Authoritarians 21 Rudolph Giuliani 22 Ralph Nader ---
**Author:** ![papaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@papaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papaw)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/19 "2007-11-02T05:25:33Z")
Wouldn’t consider at all Joe Biden, U.S. Senator from Delaware – Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator from New York Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator from Connecticut John Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina-- Hah! Mike Gravel, former U.S. Senator from Alaska Dennis Kucinich, U.S. Representative from Ohio-- Not even If I had to - Barack Obama , U.S. Senator from Illinois–Possibility Top considerations-in descending order- Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee Rudy Giuliani, former Mayor of New York City Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas Duncan Hunter, U.S. Representative from California Alan Keyes, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts Tom Tancredo, U.S. Representative from Colorado Potential Unity '08 draftees: - Michael Bloomberg, Mayor of New York City --wouldn’t consider at all - Chuck Hagel, U.S. Senator (R-Nebraska) --wouldn’t consider at all ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390/20 "2007-11-02T05:49:44Z")
for some reason I thought we were going to vote for SDMB members for president. very disappointing. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-potus-single-transferable-vote-poll/424390.md?page=2)