# Searches and incorrect conclusions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165 "2010-02-08T18:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/1 "2010-02-08T18:08:02Z")
I know I am waaaay fucking late to this party, if this is not the right forum, please feel free to move it mods. I just noticed this in the Pit > [@](#): > > As well as the GD thread he started titled Australian Free Speech Issues to discuss Australian child pornography laws, and of course, his ATMB request to start an “Ask the Pedophile” thread. Actually, the Australian Free Speech thread was spun off from the prior DUI thread do to mod suggestions because of a direction it was taking because of _me_. The new thread spun out of control, and not in the way you think. It was _me_ who ended up in a lengthy discussion with a mod via PM regarding something I had said many many months ago that was still bugging him. I can tell you I was heartily involved in that Free Speech thread, and at no time did it even dance near issues regarding pedophilia, or even pretend to allude to it. I haven’t been around really since then, and so imagine my surprise when reading all the threads regarding **Cesario** today, starting here in ATMB, then the poll bits, and lastly the Pit. Until I saw Giraffe’s Pit OP, and reviewed the Australian Free Speech thread to see if it was the one that involved me - it was! - I didn’t even make the connection that it was the same guy. Whatever his sexual interests are, they were not at issue in that thread as **Giraffe** improperly claimed. Again, I repeat I know this is maybe a weird spot for this - I don;'t feel like starting a new Pit thread over it, and every other related thread I have seen is closed, so I don’t really know where to put it. The point here is not about **Cesario** so much as that **Giraffe** , in his Pitting Outrage, purported to do research on our behalf, even providing “cites”, but not all of the cites said what he thought they said. So readers, be aware enough to not take every cite on face value. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/2 "2010-02-08T18:17:58Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > The point here is not about **Cesario** so much as that **Giraffe** , in his Pitting Outrage, purported to do research on our behalf, even providing “cites”, but not all of the cites said what he thought they said. I didn’t purport anything – I did a post search, got annoyed, and then started a Pit thread summarizing said post search. I included that GD thread only because I thought it fit the pattern I was complaining about, namely the fact that the vast majority of his recent posts were on the same narrow set of topics. When I skimmed through that thread, I saw posts by **Cesario** discussing how Australia defined child pornography, so I threw the link into my OP with what I thought was an accurate summary. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/3 "2010-02-08T18:28:53Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I didn’t purport anything – I did a post search, got annoyed, and then started a Pit thread summarizing said post search. > > I included that GD thread only because I thought it fit the pattern I was complaining about, namely the fact that the vast majority of his recent posts were on the same narrow set of topics. When I skimmed through that thread, I saw posts by **Cesario** discussing how Australia defined child pornography, so I threw the link into my OP with what I thought was an accurate summary. You did purport that that thread was evidence that Cesario posted abotu nohting but his predilection. You were wrong. You apologized in the pit thread for using banned words. Why not simply apologize here and say that your point mostly still stands without reference to that thread reference, promise to be more careful in the future, and move on? ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/4 "2010-02-08T18:34:32Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > You did purport that that thread was evidence that Cesario posted abotu nohting but his predilection. > > You were wrong. > > You apologized in the pit thread for using banned words. Why not simply apologize here and say that your point mostly still stands without reference to that thread reference, promise to be more careful in the future, and move on? I think he did that already in his post. No, he didn’t say “sorry” or “I was wrong”, but the gist of it is there. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/5 "2010-02-08T18:50:44Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > You did purport that that thread was evidence that Cesario posted abotu nohting but his predilection. > > You were wrong. > > You apologized in the pit thread for using banned words. Why not simply apologize here and say that your point mostly still stands without reference to that thread reference, promise to be more careful in the future, and move on? Because I don’t agree with you. If the Pit thread were still open, we could argue about it there. It’s not, though, so we can’t. Feel free to start one, if you feel like discussing my perceived dishonesty further. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/6 "2010-02-08T18:52:30Z")
> [@srzss05](#): > > I think he did that already in his post. No, he didn’t say “sorry” or “I was wrong”, but the gist of it is there. No, he didn’t. And I know he can do it explicitly, he apologized quite plainly for his failure to adhere to the no use of “such and such a word in the pit” rule. I am being nice here - I didn’t say that his failure to actually read the thread in question invalidated his entire point, which I could have. Instead, he simply grabbed every thread he could find that **Cesario** was in, that mentioned child pornography, and without looking for context, he used it to hammer down **Cesario** and to ask others to hammer him down in what became a lengthy pit thread. I am suggesting that the premise of the original post in the Pit thread was wrong as stated, and should not be material to demonize **Cesario**. I also think **Giraffe** is smart enough to find the rhetorical words to get out of this pickle, but he hasn’t found them yet. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/7 "2010-02-08T19:01:25Z")
And in case you are thinking that no one else picked up on this and acted on this incorrect information from **Giraffe** , there was this from **Mean Old Lady** nea the end of the Ask the Pedophile therad: > [@](#): > > Right. This is what people are saying. This MFer strutted into a flirting thread, into an intrusive DUI checkpoint thread, to mention his love of fucking babies. Why, for the love of mid-shelf Scotch, do you have to bring up how wrong you feel child pornography laws are in a thread about DUIs? Perhaps reading the threads in question before opining that they can’t possibly make sense s a good way to go about fighting ignorance. Just sayin, everybody 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/8 "2010-02-08T19:06:35Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Perhaps reading the threads in question before opining that they can’t possibly make sense s a good way to go about fighting ignorance. > > Just sayin, everybody 🙂 Even assuming this board is still about “fighting ignorance”, I don’t think the pit ever claimed to do that. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/9 "2010-02-08T19:17:09Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > I can tell you I was heartily involved in that Free Speech thread, and at no time did it even dance near issues regarding pedophilia, or even pretend to allude to it. [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548218)? The one whose final third is completely devoted to Australian child porn laws? I think **Giraffe** ’s charactarization was pretty accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/10 "2010-02-08T19:18:18Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > And in case you are thinking that no one else picked up on this and acted on this incorrect information from **Giraffe** , there was this from **Mean Old Lady** nea the end of the Ask the Pedophile therad: I agree that it’s not an accurate characterization of **Cesario** ’s posts in the DUI thread, although I’m not quite sure how that’s my fault. I will point out that **Cesario** did in fact enter a DUI thread to post about how he would be treated unfairly by the Australian authorities because he’s a pedophile and mentioned the restrictive laws they have on child pornography, neither of which have _anything_ to do with DUIs. So **Mean Old Lady** ’s description of the behavior isn’t that far off, even if she went too far on the hyperbole in describing the posts themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/11 "2010-02-08T19:20:15Z")
**Giraffe** was correct in saying that **Cesario** was discussing child pornography (in multiple posts) in the Australian Free Speech thread. ETA: On preview, I see someone else already made this point. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/12 "2010-02-08T19:24:30Z")
Also, since this thread is criticizing my behavior as a poster, could a mod perhaps move it to the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/13 "2010-02-08T19:44:44Z")
> [@zut](#): > > [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548218)? The one whose final third is completely devoted to Australian child porn laws? I think **Giraffe** ’s charactarization was pretty accurate. Ugh. I thought that thread was closed with my moderation many many weeks ago. I guess I stopped clicking on the links n my emal and so I got no more notices it was still alive. Fact is, Giraffe claimed that thread was spawned specifically to discuss CP, and it wasn’t. It was long a discussion about, surprise, Australian Free Speech, primarily between me and Martini Enfield, and a few other Australians I suppose. So far as I can tell, I dropped the thread ~ 1/26/10. Since then, there was some legal news out of Australia that fits on topic, and the discussion has surrounded that. The tone of the discussion is nothing like n the other threads that **Giraffe** mentioned. It is entirely on point, and it was wrong of **Giraffe** to assert the thread was started weeks ago for the purposes of which it has now reached. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/14 "2010-02-08T19:50:25Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Ugh. I thought that thread was closed with my moderation many many weeks ago. I guess I stopped clicking on the links n my emal and so I got no more notices it was still alive. > > Fact is, Giraffe claimed that thread was spawned specifically to discuss CP, and it wasn’t. It was long a discussion about, surprise, Australian Free Speech, primarily between me and Martini Enfield, and a few other Australians I suppose. > > So far as I can tell, I dropped the thread ~ 1/26/10. Since then, there was some legal news out of Australia that fits on topic, and the discussion has surrounded that. The tone of the discussion is nothing like n the other threads that **Giraffe** mentioned. > > It is entirely on point, and it was wrong of **Giraffe** to assert the thread was started weeks ago for the purposes of which it has now reached. Yet the first post brings up, surprise, Child Pornography. And by Cesario, and you don’t see a connection? I think somebody else is reaching the wrong conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/15 "2010-02-08T19:54:58Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I agree that it’s not an accurate characterization of **Cesario** ’s posts in the DUI thread, although I’m not quite sure how that’s my fault. > > It is yoru fault becaus you said, quite without prompting in opening a new thread: > > > [@](#): > > > > Cesario is one such shitty human being. He knows he is a pedophile, but rather than steering clear of topics which might trigger these thoughts and feelings, he can be counted on to drop a gross remark in any thread remotely bordering on sex and children. > > No such remark exists in teh free speech thread (as of the last time I checked a few minutes ago) despite yoru claim otherwise: > > > [@](#): > > > > As well as the GD thread he started titled Australian Free Speech Issues to discuss Australian child pornography laws, > > Plus, there is no evidence whatsoever that he started that thread to discuss CP, he started it because the other thread was going off topic, thanks to me, IIRC, and a mod suggested taking the Free Speech in Australia aspect of it elsewhere. So he did. > > If you disagree, perhaps you can explain just why you feel that was his intent in starting the thread, then watching a debate between me and **Martini Enfield** , to which he contributed little if anything, and then two weeks later, discussing CP in Australia in the appropriate context is evidence he intended to open the thread for the evil purposes you ascribe. > > I will point out that **Cesario** did in fact enter a DUI thread to post about how he would be treated unfairly by the Australian authorities because he’s a pedophile and mentioned the restrictive laws they have on child pornography, neither of which have _anything_ to do with DUIs. So **Mean Old Lady** ’s description of the behavior isn’t that far off, even if she went too far on the hyperbole in describing the posts themselves. I was an active4 participant in the thread, I am probably the one that took it off the rails. I had no experience with **Cesario** prior to that. **Mean Old Lady** ’s comment there made no sense to me at all. Ifound nothing off topic or salacious form anyone in either the DUI or Free Speech thread. Listen, you probably have plenty to choose from without picking on those 2 threads, so why vilify them? ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/16 "2010-02-08T19:57:59Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > Yet the first post brings up, surprise, Child Pornography. And by Cesario, and you don’t see a connection? I think somebody else is reaching the wrong conclusions. Did you read the entire threads in context with an open mind? I never heard of Cesario before those threads, and until I cam back today after a couple of weeks away from the board, despite having been heavily chastized for my own behavior in those threads by a mod, I saw nothing and continue to see nothign off topic in either thread. Is it the mere mention of the words “Child Pornography” that sets you off? Or even the mention by **Cesario** among others? Because what he wrote in those threads could have been written by a zillion other people here on Free Speech grounds alone. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/17 "2010-02-08T19:58:31Z")
Well _I’m_ glad that was cleared up, because after \*\*Giraffe \*\*carelessly maligned your thread, I was about to think much differently of you. His characterization being so very over the top and all, I’m glad you’re not the horrible, nasty person his offhand comment led me to believe you were. But rest assured, your honor is now safe! ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/18 "2010-02-08T20:12:29Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Is it the mere mention of the words “Child Pornography” that sets you off? Or even the mention by **Cesario** among others? Mostly the combination of the two. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/19 "2010-02-08T20:16:55Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Well _I’m_ glad that was cleared up, because after \*\*Giraffe \*\*carelessly maligned your thread, I was about to think much differently of you. His characterization being so very over the top and all, I’m glad you’re not the horrible, nasty person his offhand comment led me to believe you were. > > But rest assured, your honor is now safe! Neither of those were _my_ threads. But the threads were in opposition to the point that he was trying to make - that all Cesario does is post details of his stated predilections, and he did that to draw ireo to the teeming masses on Cesario. It was not true about that thread, instead it was a counter-demonstration to the point he was trying to make. Perhaps there is a rule about that sort of behavior… ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/20 "2010-02-08T20:29:24Z")
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