# Searches and incorrect conclusions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165 "2010-02-08T18:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/201 "2010-02-09T23:35:21Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Does that help? Nope. You’d best start from scratch and explain each of your points. ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/202 "2010-02-09T23:39:21Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Nope. You’d best start from scratch and explain each of your points. Noooooooooo! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/203 "2010-02-09T23:47:23Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Nope. You’d best start from scratch and explain each of your points. You haven’t shown any interest in anything besides tossing out bon mots, so for you it is over to the scrap pile where Fuji is holding court. When you have read the thread and understood it, feel free to come back. Do be sure to make sense when you do. I know you can do it! Don’t let me down! ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/204 "2010-02-09T23:54:12Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > It is a figure of speech, this “hanging” thing, and you realize it refers to Cesario, not Giraffe, right? Just checking… So, is this you realizing that your earlier frothing allegory was somewhat over the top? > [@](#): > > Yeah, those posts were really offensive and similar to the other ones. You ddn’t ask for posts that were offensive (by YOUR definition of ‘offensive’). You asked for posts that showed he was a one trick pony. That’s what you got. The rest of your post, and any others that follow this other than an admission of being wrong, are tap dancing around the fact that your previous assertion, namely: ‘He is NOT a one trick pony!’ has been shown to be complete and utter bullshit. You were wrong. It’s okay. It’s not a crime. Everyone is wrong from time to time. Most people around here are pretty forgiving when a poster’s a big enough person to admit it. Not that I expect such largess from you. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/205 "2010-02-09T23:55:29Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > You haven’t shown any interest in anything besides tossing out bon mots, so for you it is over to **the scrap pile where Fuji is holding court**. > > When you have read the thread and understood it, feel free to come back. Do be sure to make sense when you do. I know you can do it! Don’t let me down! I’m holding court, now? Awesome! $5 cover, 2 drink minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/206 "2010-02-10T00:02:29Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > If we can call people stubborn, why are you being to stubborn to understand the post where I said what I _don’t_ get out of discussions with the professionals I know are the specifics of any particular case, nor do I get to meet the clients, al for ethical reasons of course. > > It was the possibility of drawing a real live case into the holes in the discussions I have had previously, and to further discuss the results with the professionals I know that held the appeal for me. > > \ > > I didn’t see that as “positive”, I saw it as pitying, or more like saying “you use words that appease us” so we will appease you. I am not interested in appeasing anyone, only learning about mental health issues of such men. > > \ > > But if that is a serious question, here is a serious answer: What I don’t think people understand is that Cesario is very likely mentally ill. It sounds like he has been diagnosed, or knows full well what the diagnosis would be if he were to be. > > As such, we should give him some leeway in attributing motivations and world view to him that we would if he were not mentally ill. That doesn’t mean he gets to act on his fantasies or illness, and he seems to understand that much. > > So to me, that creates a pocket for positive interaction - maybe we learn about what truly goes on in his mind by listening, observing, and correlating with the professional literature, and maybe he gathers enough strength to seek treatment without vilification. > > Pretty much as I would hope we do with anyone reaching out with a mental illness, or even physical illness. I have seen threads where we have done that for people struggling with addiction issues, and I have seen threads where we failed to do that for people with suicide ideation and eating disorder issues. so it could go either way. And I am not claiming to have anywhere near a complete history of such threads, that is only what I have seen. **not\_alice** , This is a very strange post. Aoparently you’re craving more details than your friends-who-are-mental-health-professionals can provide, but the specifics of other people’s mental illnesses aren’t fodder for you to study as some kind of hobby. If **Cesario** is mentally ill, as you assert, do you not see how it might be contraindicated for him to describe his illness in a public Q&A, in a forum where he has already worn out his welcome with respect to the issue? In case you think I’m unsympathetic to mental health issues, you can check out the recent Pit thread (re: I saw a loser who made me so mad) where someone pitted a depressed guy who had been venting in MPSIMS. I was one of many people who went into that thread repeatedly to say that it was wrong to be pitting that guy, in part because depression is a life-threatening disease. So I suppose there is a case to be made that if **Cesario** is mentally ill, it’s unfair to Pit him. But **Cesario** doesn’t think there is anything wrong with his thinking or feelings or world view, and unlike the depressed guy in MPSIMS, he shows no signs of having a potentially life-threatening depression problem. People here have already suggested to **Cesario** that there’s a problem with his thinking and he should get some professional help. Seriously, I don’t know what more we could do for him on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/207 "2010-02-10T00:06:24Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Sure, all of us would re-edit nearly every post we make, I’m glad you brought this up. Almost every one of your more recent posts have screwed-up quote tags in them. You can fix these, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/208 "2010-02-10T00:11:32Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > You haven’t shown any interest That’s because I’m still waiting for you to say something interesting. Look, Alice, you’re the one who summoned me here, so don’t you think it is about time you explained yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/209 "2010-02-10T00:18:16Z")
Doesn’t this whole thread violate Ed Zotti’s rule number 4…No posts that may provoke **Cesario**? ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/210 "2010-02-10T00:22:06Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Doesn’t this whole thread violate Ed Zotti’s rule number 4…No posts that may provoke **Cesario**? If you think so, I believe the standard advice is report it, ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/211 "2010-02-10T00:29:39Z")
not\_alice, No response to my last post? Why am I not surprised… ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/212 "2010-02-10T00:30:55Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > If you think so, I believe the standard advice is report it, I have. Twice. Once about 14 hours ago and again about 8 hours ago. So what is your standard advice now? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/213 "2010-02-10T00:34:50Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I have. Twice. Once about 14 hours ago and again about 8 hours ago. > So what is your standard advice now? When men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you’ve just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving slow Go ask Alice I think she’ll know (Jefferson Airplane) ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/214 "2010-02-10T00:35:21Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Doesn’t this whole thread violate Ed Zotti’s rule number 4…No posts that may provoke **Cesario**? I don’t see how it’s provoking him to respond – no new statements are being made for him to refute, we’re simply going back and forth over an old thread to see how much of a liar I am. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/215 "2010-02-10T00:38:54Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > What makes my head hurt are your ad hominem attacks on me in defense of the indefensible - that the Australian Free Speech thread was an attempt to get off on his pedophilia and to work that thread until he could talk about CP. Your continual rephrasing of my arguments into these nonsensical statements is starting to make me wonder if you’re not just trolling now. I notice you didn’t address the first part of my post, where I point out how egregiously you misrepresented a post of mine you had quoted in front of you. I guess your role as self-appointed fact checker doesn’t extend to your own posts, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Library\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cab0a1/32.png) [@Library\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Library_Boy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/216 "2010-02-10T00:41:09Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I have. Twice. Once about 14 hours ago and again about 8 hours ago. > So what is your standard advice now? Drink. Always standard advice. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/217 "2010-02-10T00:42:57Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I don’t see how it’s provoking him to respond – no new statements are being made for him to refute, we’re simply going back and forth over an old thread to see how much of a liar I am. Oh, you are the HUGEST…whoops; can’t say that here. ☹ ::Grumps off to the Other Place:: \ Stooopid long necked ponies \ ::Kicks Dirt:: ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/218 "2010-02-10T00:46:31Z")
> [@Library\_Boy](#): > > Drink. Always standard advice. Now that’s advice I like much better! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/219 "2010-02-10T00:53:18Z")
Fuji’s had the bar open since Post 205. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/220 "2010-02-10T00:56:57Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > I’m holding court, now? Awesome! > > $5 cover, 2 drink minimum. Could it be Ladie’s Night and I get free drinks? I’m a bit low on cash this week… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=12)