# Searches and incorrect conclusions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165 "2010-02-08T18:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/141 "2010-02-09T20:50:25Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Which would have accomplished what precisely? Allowed you a small measure of satisfaction, while allowing the original discussion to go on, right? No. auk was a place where posts made to “legitimate” groups were crossposted to so that they could be mocked. Your twisted reasonings, pedantry, and obtuseness would provide much comedy if this was usenet. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/142 "2010-02-09T21:00:51Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > Giraffe, you need to just stop. You have no idea what kind of garnishing some of the posters get up to in the DTP threads because you’re too much of a coward to come around and see for yourself. I have truly reaped what I garnished. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![kathmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kathmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kathmandu)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/143 "2010-02-09T21:04:20Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Sure, but I have been through this before in other threads. > > Not everyone has the stomach to say what they want in the face of such vehemence. > > But they often write touching defenses via PM. > > And you might want to review “tyranny of the majority”. Because a view is popular does not make it either Just or Right. > > And because some people are clearly so caught up emotionally in not being able to understand what is before them, their could be lots of reasons for that, but in the end, those reasons do not negate the material in front of them. Riiiiight. Well then, carry on, oh self appointed free speech martyr and speaker for the downtrodden and oppressed message board non-posters. Thank God you’re here to fight the good fight! ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/144 "2010-02-09T21:04:56Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Irrelevant, and it does not meant you weren’t wrong with your OP. what would make the OP wrong would be someone to show that the quotes in the first 5 posts of Giraffe’s OP are qualitatively the same as the 6th thread he referrred to. He pretty much already said that is not the case. But if you want to post the actual offensive quote from the Aussie Free Speech thread, something that is equivalent to not stopping if he woke up getting blown by a 6 year old, which he said in some thread or other, by all means show us that one 🙂 Show me something along those lines, and I will be glad to discuss if I was wrong. Go now! > [@](#): > > Setting the tone for truth doesn’t mean it is required that we track down every subject and put it under the microscope. I get that you are intentionally being slippery, but again it still doesn’t make you right. And I’m sure you know I don’t believe in God. Honestly,before your prior post, I never noticed you at all. So I have no clue as to your beliefs. I am not being intentionally slippery, and you are right, “we” don’t collectively all have to engage in every topic or thread. In fact, we all behave exactly that way already. However, if some of us are interested in a topic, we can discuss it, and others can avoid it. We do it every day here. You will very rarely see m in IMHO or Games, and some folks there I understand rarely venture int GD. To each his or her own. There is no reason on earth why people who don’t want to participate in a AT Pedophile thread would have to, and I am trying to get an explanation, and not succeeding at it, as to why _that_ topic is so impossible for people who don’t want to participate to stay out of, when those same people already ignore 90% of all threads. Can you enlighten us a bit on that? > [@](#): > > Members here are capable of deciding what other members may or may not discuss by expressing those wishes known to the Reader, the Reader can then in turn choose what to do with that information Thart is not members deciding, that is members making their opinions known, and TPTB deciding. You understand the difference, don’t you? I don’t object to people offering their opinions. I jumped in after the decision was made, but that doesn’t mean I can’t still object. It is a shitty decision for the reasons stated and more. Now, I am savvy enough in the legal issues of running a web site such as this to wonder if there is not more at play here then meets the eyes, but at the sme time, I have not yet seen in the objections any suggestions whatsoever along those lines, nor did I read into Ed Zotti’s message that they had considered them. I think they may have considered them, and if so, I wish they were more transparent about it, because then I would me more “C’est la vi” about it. But as it stands, it appears it is mob rule. I will also note here something I asked the mods several weeks ago and did not get a firm response on, but this episode might be telling and predictive. I asked if a “Pro-Ana” thread would be allowed in light of the shitstorm that broke out once before when a member with a eating disorder attempted suicide and came here to discuss it. I find it very parallel to the “AT Pedophile” question - it regards discussion of mental health issues that squick people out big time, and even advocacy of those with the issues by themselves. Now I wonder if I pull out DSM IV, which topics are too squicky to discuss? > [@](#): > > And now we’re down the rabbit hole. I couldn’t care less about a person talking about any particular subject in public or on their own message board. Nor does your carrying on about it bother me in the slightest. But this thread isn’t about any of that is it? Is this _your_message board? Then how is it different from your point of view? Note that despite all of this I have never suggested Giraffe should allow it on HIS message board. That is his call. From the OP: Yes, they did. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/145 "2010-02-09T21:08:00Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > How else can you explain the fact that no one agrees with **not\_alice** when his posts have been so factually indisputable? Some sort of voodoo curse? That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard. Then you don’t get out much among people who don’t agree with you. Where I live in deep deep red California, I take some pretty locally unpopular stands and get the same response, in public, that I am getting here. Yet I venture to say most people attacking me here would agree would agree with those positions. Being popular is not the same as being wither right or just, as I said before. If you have a beef with that, then out with it. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/146 "2010-02-09T21:09:05Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Oh I understand perfectly Alice. > > Lets see. You were in a thread once. Then a horse referenced that thread without listing you in the bibliography, which caused your thing to rise. > > Smiting mightily, you called out the horse so that you could smote him. Mightily. > > The horse responded, by pointing out that you are a numpty. > > Hearing the bad news, you starting smashing at keys in furious indignation, until your argument moved from an unfounded accusation of misrepresenting kiddyfuckers, to an unfounded accusation of suppressing free speech and (soon) the rape of the natural world. > > Everybody else laughed at you and made witty jokes at your expense (even Taco gave it a go, god loves a tryer) > > As we moved into page 16 of the thread, Alice moved deeper and deeper into an internet panic attack, her wild eyes and gooey drool represented by ever more incoherent ramblings about google and parsley and pain and the void. > > The horse laughed. We all laughed. Cecil cried, it wasn’t meant to be like this. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/147 "2010-02-09T21:09:56Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Thart is not members deciding, that is members making their opinions known, and TPTB deciding. You understand the difference, don’t you? > [@not\_alice](#): > > But as it stands, it appears it is mob rule. This must be one of those new kinds of mob rules, where a small fraction of the mob has all the decision-making authority. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/148 "2010-02-09T21:12:34Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I have truly reaped what I garnished. ☹ Of all of the animals in the zoo, you are the most fail. You will have to go to bed without any dinner tonight. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/149 "2010-02-09T21:13:21Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Actually, it doesn’t fit _at all_. Garnish is a transitive verb, thereby requiring a direct object in order to make sense. Your construction is doubly idiotic, because: > > 1. Without a direct object, the phrase “your board has garnished” makes no sense. > > 2. As inferred from your follow-up, your intended subject was (an implied) “you”, not “your board”. > > Besides being the author of one of the most worthless, tempest-in-a-teapot Pit OPs I’ve seen in quite some while, you suck as a pedant, as well. Actually, the OP was posted in ATMB - I have never before pitted anyone, but this got moved here. I accept that, it was borderline at least when I wrote it. But yeah, because it was not written for here, I am sure it looks lame in comparison 🙂 See, I am willing to admit when you make a point. And in the spirit of additional cooperation, if you are all not able to enjoy a little wordplay (such as Giraffe engaged in in Post 101), then substitute “to garner” if it helps you understand better. ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/150 "2010-02-09T21:17:34Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > And in the spirit of additional cooperation, if you are all not able to enjoy a little wordplay (such as Giraffe engaged in in Post 101), then substitute “to garner” if it helps you understand better. I would say “replace” rather than “substitute”. Perhaps we can argue about this now? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/151 "2010-02-09T21:23:49Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Whatever turns you on. Fortunately not little kids. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/152 "2010-02-09T21:25:43Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > Okay. Actual substance: It was never about your thread. I may be wrong, but it seems you’re invested in the idea that it was about your thread and your thread specifically. It wasn’t. Of course it wasn’t. It wasn’t MY thread at all. If there are specific posts in that thread, that are qualitatively the same as the posts Giraffe actually quoted (5 of them!) in that thread, then share them please. If you can, then I will say - damn I missed that - and move along. It is not like I haven’t asked for that umpteen times now. How many times before you stop asserting, and simply cut and paste what you insist you have found? > [@](#): > > It was about several posts made by someone _who also posted to your thread._ Your thread and its subject were tangential at the most. While freedom of speech may have a very broad appeal, it was not that poster’s main concern. His post from your thread was used _as an example_. That’s it. Even in context, it was relevant to the OP of Giraffe’s Pit thread. I that is all you have, then you are stretching to the breaking point because you want to and somehow need to crucify Cesario without any counter-evidence. I am sure you can all make your case without referring to that thread. Really, why don’t you see if you can give it a try? You think that mythical post is what is going to get him banned? It adds nothing. > [@](#): > > It is completely understood that you disagree with the decision about opening a thread discussing the pathology of paedophilia by the poster who has requested permission to do so. I am not aware that he was restricting the thread to the pathology of his illness. Can you provide a citation? My understanding is he wanted a “AT pedophile” thread, that is all. > [@](#): > > Giraffe has no sway over that decision, nor do the posters here, really. You might want to discuss that with **PlainJain** S/he is persuaded otherwise. 🙂 > [@](#): > > It is entirely at the discretion of the administration. The reason people continue to remind you that this is a private board is because it seems to have slipped your memory that the first amendment’s guarantee of free speech only applies to government entities. Perhaps it has slipped your mind that I have never asserted otherwise, or that this board is subject to Free Speech laws. You are confusing the “Free Speech” thread with a discussion, an appeal if you will, regarding the appropriateness of the decision, which was made before I even knew of the debate. Really, reading comprehension, folks, before you lecture me 🙂 > [@](#): > > The SDMB/Chicago Reader/CL/Whoever owns this place this week is not a government entity and is in no way obligated to allow content it finds unsuitable. There are several options for those who disagree with their decisions. 100% agree. Never said otherwise. > [@](#): > > I hope you take this in the spirit in which it was intended. I think you may have taken offense where none was directed toward you or your thread topic. It was not about your thread. I think you are putting words in my mouth and attributing threads to me that are not mine. Your effort would be better spent, and perhaps decisive, if you would simply find the words in that thread that match the words in any way shape or form to the other words Giraffe posted (and in the interest of fairness pre-date Giraffe’s posts, because I don’t know what is there since.) How long could that take you? 5 minutes? I hope you take _that_ in the spirit it was intended 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/153 "2010-02-09T21:28:06Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I have truly reaped what I garnished. ☹ You should be ashamed of yourself, you garnish reapist. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/154 "2010-02-09T21:28:27Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > This must be one of those new kinds of mob rules, where a small fraction of the mob has all the decision-making authority. I am confused as you are - maybe you and PlainJain can work it out and get back to us. Or maybe the fraction of the overall “mob” that is verbal and vocal has undue influence. Wouldn’t be the first time - that is usually what happens with mob rule, doncha know? ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/155 "2010-02-09T21:29:27Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Of all of the animals in the zoo, you are the most fail. > > You will have to go to bed without any dinner tonight. If I do, it will because I gorged myself crazy on tacos. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/156 "2010-02-09T21:29:48Z")
This is really entertaining. Normally an OP such as this would have slunk off in shame for being such a complete idiot. Rather, the OP chooses to humiliate itself further with ever more absurd and irrational responses… ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/157 "2010-02-09T21:30:53Z")
> [@srzss05](#): > > I would say “replace” rather than “substitute”. Perhaps we can argue about this now? Nope. That is a childish game. When it comes to childish games, you are going to have to play with yourself. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/158 "2010-02-09T21:31:56Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > This is really entertaining. Normally an OP such as this would have slunk off in shame for being such a complete idiot. > > Rather, the OP chooses to humiliate itself further with ever more absurd and irrational responses… Feel free to jump in with your actual insight and wisdom, or just go stand over there in the corner trying to work up some more mob courage with all the other “one-liners”. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/159 "2010-02-09T21:33:50Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourself, you garnish reapist. Oh come on, I suggest a young rape garnish on any salad 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/160 "2010-02-09T21:34:05Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Feel free to jump in with your actual insight and wisdom, or just go stand over there in the corner trying to work up some more mob courage with all the other “one-liners”. People have already decided you aren’t worth it, and you are just a chew toy now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=9)