# Searches and incorrect conclusions **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165 "2010-02-08T18:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/161 "2010-02-09T21:35:18Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Fortunately not little kids. Honest question: Why is it fortunate for you that you do not suffer from those mental health issues? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/162 "2010-02-09T21:36:09Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > I am confused Stunned and confused pretty much sums it up, but in the interests of free speech, please continue. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/163 "2010-02-09T21:38:34Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > This is really entertaining. Normally an OP such as this would have slunk off in shame for being such a complete idiot. > > Rather, the OP chooses to humiliate itself further with ever more absurd and irrational responses… That’s because not\_alice is incapable of letting any post go by without responding. Mark my words, he WILL get in the last word… but only because everyone else will get tired. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/164 "2010-02-09T21:38:45Z")
> [@srzss05](#): > > People have already decided you aren’t worth it, and you are just a chew toy now. Maybe the mob has decided that - can’t argue based on the available evidence - but is speaks very badly of the mob that rather than confront the truth about itself, to fight its own ignorance, it will treat the messenger as a “chew toy”. Doesn’t that make my case for me that your collective behavior to to Cesario is irrational based on perceptions, not wholly correct, of his posting history, if you will do the same to me in this very thread? “Taking longer than we thought” indeed… ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/165 "2010-02-09T21:40:30Z")
> [@Beadalin](#): > > That’s because not\_alice is incapable of letting any post go by without responding. Mark my words, he WILL get in the last word… but only because everyone else will get tired. I don’t recall any post of mine going by without a response. If you are posting something that you think doesn’t merit a response, by all means let us know. I give y’all the same benefit of the doubt as being sincere. If you are not, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/166 "2010-02-09T21:41:53Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Maybe the mob has decided that - can’t argue based on the available evidence - but is speaks very badly of the mob that rather than confront the truth about itself, to fight its own ignorance, it will treat the messenger as a “chew toy”. When someone wastes an entire afternoon arguing about the (misused) word “garnish”, what else are they supposed to think? ETA: You can ignore this post and not respond, as it was a rhetorical question. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/167 "2010-02-09T21:45:16Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > I don’t recall any post of mine going by without a response. > > If you are posting something that you think doesn’t merit a response, by all means let us know. I give y’all the same benefit of the doubt as being sincere. If you are not, let me know. See what I mean? (Please don’t respond to this post.) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/168 "2010-02-09T21:46:10Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > rather than confront the truth about itself, to fight its own ignorance, it will treat the messenger as a “chew toy”. Jesus? Is that you, you old messenger of truth, you? (By all means, feel free to respond. Let it all out – you’ll feel better later.) ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/169 "2010-02-09T21:47:20Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > If there are specific posts in that thread, **that are qualitatively the same as the posts Giraffe actually quoted (5 of them!) in that thread**, then share them please. If you can, then I will say - damn I missed that - and move along. > > It is not like I haven’t asked for that umpteen times now. (bolding mine) And it’s not like I and others haven’t explained repeatedly that I never asserted that the posts in the GD thread were “qualitatively the same” as the ones I quoted, but merely part of a larger pattern of behavior. Let me try quoting post #24 of this thread for you again and see if that will maybe penetrate: [QUOTE=Giraffe] The point I was trying to make was that I did a search of **Cesario** ’s recent posts and found that nearly all of the posts that appeared in the first two pages of results were either directly or tangentially related to sex, children, or sexual offenses. I was not asserting that every post he makes was an over-the-top celebration of child pornography, but that the pattern as a whole showed someone whose board life revolves around little else. [/QUOTE] (emphasis changed from italics to underline) Can you maybe get someone to read that last sentence aloud to you? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/170 "2010-02-09T21:47:30Z")
Honestly, not alice, I cannot figure out what you are upset about. Giraffe pits Cesario for bringing up his Pedophilia in multiple threads. He links to several threads in which Cesario does post about his pedophilia. One of those threads is the Australian free speech thread, in which Cesario does go on about kiddie porn. Why does this bother you? Explain it very simply, please. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/171 "2010-02-09T21:48:37Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > **Oh come on, I suggest a young rape garnish on any salad 🙂** This post has been garnished by the WAITER! ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/172 "2010-02-09T21:49:13Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Jesus? Is that you, you old messenger of truth, you? > > By all means, feel free to respond. Let it all out – you’ll feel better later. Jesus is the messenger of truth? Cite? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/173 "2010-02-09T21:50:55Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > Actually, the OP was posted in ATMB - I have never before pitted anyone, but this got moved here. I accept that, it was borderline at least when I wrote it. But yeah, because it was not written for here, I am sure it looks lame in comparison 🙂 Fair enough. I wasn’t aware of that. So when are you starting that “Ask the Whiny Pedantic Martyr” thread, anyway? I’m sure many among us could learn from your experience. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/174 "2010-02-09T21:56:05Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > (bolding mine) > > And it’s not like I and others haven’t explained repeatedly that I never asserted that the posts in the GD thread were “qualitatively the same” as the ones I quoted, And it is not like I have not explained repeatedly that that is EXACTLY whatyour pit OP says. Was the Pit OP wrong or not? > [@](#): > > Can you maybe get someone to read that last sentence aloud to you? Actually, I have been giving you some credit for mostly coming clean for a long time. Your OP did not say what you meant it to say. Early on in this thread, you realized it, but now that it became a clusterfuck of people defending your literal words, we are all in a kind of a bind. Perhaps YOU can explain aloud to the others here that the OP in your thread DID NOT say exactly what you meant to say. I won’t suggest you go so far as to say I was right all along, that your OP was not your best piece of work, but maybe you can find a way to calm them down and allow them all to save face somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/175 "2010-02-09T21:59:46Z")
Wow. Backward? Really? > [@not\_alice](#): > > Of course it wasn’t. It wasn’t MY thread at all. > > If there are specific posts in that thread, that are qualitatively the same as the posts Giraffe actually quoted (5 of them!) in that thread, then share them please. If you can, then I will say - damn I missed that - and move along. > > It is not like I haven’t asked for that umpteen times now. > > How many times before you stop asserting, and simply cut and paste what you insist you have found? 😕 I never insisted that I found anything. Again: It was not about that thread. I don’t understand why you’re in denial over this particular fact. The thread about Australian free speech, in and of itself, has nothing whatever to do with Giraffe’s Pit thread of Cesario. This cannot be stated clearly enough (evidently). No one _ **except for you** _ thinks that it does. You can ask, but it won’t happen because…and this is the important bit… no one is talking about that thread but you. Really. I swear. It’s the reason you’re being argued with. Not because we all hate free speech in Australia or paedophiles (we do, but that’s a different story), but because you are getting indignant and self righteous about something that isn’t even under discussion. I really was trying to be honest and forthcoming with you in my prior post. Silly me, I thought you’d appreciate some honestly from someone who wasn’t trying to openly mock you, but you just ain’t gonna stop throttling that RO hard on are you? Let me try it from a different angle. Nothing in your OP explains why you think Giraffe drew an incorrect conclusion about the poster he pitted. Could you please draw me a map? Why do you feel Cesario’s post (about child pornography) in the Australia free speech thread is in any way different in intent from the other posts listed in the Pit thread? > [@](#): > > I think you are putting words in my mouth and attributing threads to me that are not mine. No. See, that’s why I use phrases such as ‘it seems’ and ‘I think.’ Asserting is stating as fact. ‘I think’ and ‘it seems’ hopefully convey (along with ‘I may be wrong, but…’) that one is open to correction. You should try it sometime. > [@](#): > > Your effort would be better spent, and perhaps decisive, if you would simply find the words in that thread that match the words in any way shape or form to the other words Giraffe posted (and in the interest of fairness pre-date Giraffe’s posts, because I don’t know what is there since.) No. See above for why. Really, your suggestion about reading for comprehension is beyond ironic. I know this is futile, even as I type it, but has it ever occurred to you that if you’re in a thread and _not one single person agrees with you…_ it might just be YOU that’s wrong, and not everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/176 "2010-02-09T22:00:12Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Fair enough. I wasn’t aware of that. > > So when are you starting that “Ask the Whiny Pedantic Martyr” thread, anyway? I’m sure many among us could learn from your experience. So you didn’t actually READ the thread you are commenting in? Why should we assume you have read any of the other material referred to? Why don’t you open the “Ask the guy/gal who is full of opinions on shit that has gone unread” thread so we can learn from _your_ experience? ---
**Author:** ![srzss05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@srzss05](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srzss05)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/177 "2010-02-09T22:01:04Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > I won’t suggest you go so far as to say I was right all along, that your OP was not your best piece of work, but maybe you can find a way to calm them down and allow them all to save face somehow. Giraffe isn’t the “boss” of anybody, and I believe you are the one trying to save face. You don’t have to reply to this post either. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/178 "2010-02-09T22:06:29Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > So you didn’t actually READ the thread you are commenting in? > > Why should we assume you have read any of the other material referred to? > > Why don’t you open the “Ask the guy/gal who is full of opinions on shit that has gone unread” thread so we can learn from _your_ experience? I’ve read three of the (currently) four pages of this thread. All posts. I think that’s enough for me to go by to ask you again about that “Ask the Whiny Pedantic Martyr” thread you’ve been itching to share with us. Make with the goods. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/179 "2010-02-09T22:11:15Z")
> [@Syntropy](#): > > The thread about Australian free speech, in and of itself, has nothing whatever to do with Giraffe’s Pit thread of Cesario. That is 100% true. Except for the actual words he used in the post - all of them pretty plain English BTW. > [@](#): > > This cannot be stated clearly enough (evidently). No one _ **except for you** _ thinks that it does. And Giraffe, who notes that as early as Post 24 here, he was not so sure about the way he worded it. > [@](#): > > You can ask, but it won’t happen because…and this is the important bit… no one is talking about that thread but you. Really. I swear. Then get the fuck out of my pit thread - that is what it is about! If you don’t want to talk about it, go somewhere else, dammit! 🙂 > [@](#): > > Not because we all hate free speech in Australia Eh - it was the Aussies in that thread that were defending their lack of free speech. Still trying to wrap my had around that 3 weeks or so later. Honestly thought the thread was closed when I was modded out of it. Until Giraffe’s post let me know otherwise. I had no clue about Cesario other than my participation in that thread, and I have had the thread on my mind for 3 weeks I think, and I had no idea from that thread about what you are all upset about. That is why that thread is wrong to hang him by. Giraffe should not have mentioned it. He is NOT a one trick pony, and that I and others participated in that thread for weeks with him without generating the instant outrage I now see some of his posts engendered is proof positive of that. Which might in fact negate Giraffe’s entire argument by a single counterpoint, but that is his fault for making an argument subject to such simple rebuttal. I will save that for another time though maybe. > [@](#): > > or paedophiles (we do, but that’s a different story), but because you are getting indignant and self righteous about something that isn’t even under discussion. It is under discussion because I made it under discussion, and ample people have come here to discuss it. If you could herd them out, now that you are all done, I would appreciate it 🙂 > [@](#): > > I really was trying to be honest and forthcoming with you in my prior post. Silly me, I thought you’d appreciate some honestly from someone who wasn’t trying to openly mock you, but you just ain’t gonna stop throttling that RO hard on are you? I know you are trying, but you are late to the party, just like I was. I get pounded for being late and need to get up to speed, so should you 🙂 Let me try it from a different angle. Nothing in your OP explains why you think Giraffe drew an incorrect conclusion about the poster he pitted. Could you please draw me a map? Why do you feel Cesario’s post (about child pornography) in the Australia free speech thread is in any way different in intent from the other posts listed in the Pit thread? No. See, that’s why I use phrases such as ‘it seems’ and ‘I think.’ Asserting is stating as fact. ‘I think’ and ‘it seems’ hopefully convey (along with ‘I may be wrong, but…’) that one is open to correction. You should try it sometime. No. See above for why. Really, your suggestion about reading for comprehension is beyond ironic. I know this is futile, even as I type it, but has it ever occurred to you that if you’re in a thread and _not one single person agrees with you…_ it might just be YOU that’s wrong, and not everyone else? [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165/180 "2010-02-09T22:12:30Z")
> [@not\_alice](#): > > And it is not like I have not explained repeatedly that that is EXACTLY whatyour pit OP says. Really? Here’s [a link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=551058) to the Pit thread – how about you show me where I say the posts in the GD thread were “qualitatively the same” as the ones I quoted. It should be easy, since it’s EXACTLY what the OP says. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/searches-and-incorrect-conclusions/528165.md?page=10)