# Sec. Of State Rice's lack of kids makes her unqualiifed hold an opinion about the war **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2007, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705 "2007-01-12T15:14:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/41 "2007-01-12T23:27:30Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] Actually, I read it as a double insult: firstly that Rice has had no children herself, never been a mother, Boxer while elevates herself as a mother and grandmother and family person; and secondly that because she’s had no children herself she’s unqualified. [/QUOTE] Wow, you managed to find a reading that’s even more tortured that the Post’s. ---
**Author:** ![Bugles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Bugles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugles)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/42 "2007-01-12T23:27:55Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] Actually, I read it as a double insult: firstly that Rice has had no children herself, never been a mother, Boxer while elevates herself as a mother and grandmother and family person; and secondly that because she’s had no children herself she’s unqualified. Clever, really. [/QUOTE] Cunty, actually. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/43 "2007-01-12T23:31:08Z")
[QUOTE=Apos] Beat me to it. That FOX incident certainly is bizarre, isn’t it? I wonder if there is a cite or a YouTube of it? [/QUOTE] You mean the Chris Matthews on Imus clip where he says “They’re working through Cheney, of course, who always wants to kill…”? I looked on youtube, but couldn’t find it. It’s on Fox’s web site, but I can’t get the clip to work on my computer. I did see it shown on Fox sometime yesterday, but I didn’t get the rest of the quote for context. He was talking off the cuff on Imus, though, not on his own show. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/44 "2007-01-13T00:00:01Z")
No I was talking about the incident of FOX trying to set Rice up on a date with a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/45 "2007-01-13T00:10:12Z")
Found the transcript. Odd, but only in a curious sort of way: [http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/54081.htm](http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2005/54081.htm) > [@](#): > > MR. ROSEN: I think it’s outrageous, frankly. All right. I close with a gift for you. You met this person once, I believe, but you really, I think, ought to know each other because this woman is, I think you’ll have an interest in knowing her. She is one of our FOX News anchors in New York. Her name is Lauren Green. She is brilliant, she’s beautiful, she’s African American, she’s single and she’s a concert pianist in her spare time. > > SECRETARY RICE: My goodness. > > MR. ROSEN: And she asked me to give you her CD and I promised her that I would. > > SECRETARY RICE: That’s perfect. > > MR. ROSEN: And here’s her doing a number of different classical pieces. > > SECRETARY RICE: Well, that’s special. > > MR. ROSEN: So there you have it. > > SECRETARY RICE: Thank her very much and I look forward to seeing her sometime. > > MR. ROSEN: All right. She’s going to want to hear from you. > > SECRETARY RICE: And maybe even playing dual piano sometime. > > MR. ROSEN: That would be great. Thank you, as always. > > SECRETARY RICE: Thank you. I did, however, discover this: There’s actually a “Rice Gay” gay and lesbian SCHOLARSHIP. 🙂 > **[Student Activities](https://studentcenter.rice.edu/student-activities)** > > Student Activities ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/46 "2007-01-13T00:17:38Z")
A fuller quote from that mean, mean Boxer lady (by way of CNN). > [@](#): > > “Who pays the price?” Boxer asked Rice. “I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a personal price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families … not me, not you.” > > Rice replied: “I fully understand the sacrifice that the American people are making, and especially the sacrifice that our soldiers are making, men and women in uniform. I visit them. I know what they’re going through. I talk to their families. I see it.” > > Boxer interrupted: "Madam Secretary, please. I know you feel terrible about it. That’s not the point. I was making the case as to who pays the price for your decisions. > > “And the fact that this administration would move forward with this escalation with no clue as to the further price that we’re going to pay militarily … I find really appalling.” ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/47 "2007-01-13T01:06:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Diogenes the Cynic** > Boxer said FIRST that she herself (Boxer) will pay no personal price. The distinction is that Boxer (and the majority of Americans) don’t support making OTHERS pay a price. Yes I get it, that she is including herself in that category, but her comment isn’t any kind of newsflash or anything. I think a majority of Americans did support making others pay a price when they elected Bush and company to a second term, though they may have changed their minds later. In any case people in power will always make decisions which will not directly affect them and this is nothing new. I have not seen the Fox News take on this, but judging past behavior I am sure they are spinning it into some insult tantamount to calling Rice a barren spinster or something. Boxer’s words may hold truth but they are useless really and bring nothing new to the table that people were not already aware of. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/48 "2007-01-13T02:13:38Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] Boy, that would sure be a surprise to [Peter McKay](http://www.gambling911.com/Condi-Rice-Peter-McKay-091306.html) [/QUOTE] Hell, I’ve been more affectionate than that with men, and I’m straight. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/49 "2007-01-13T02:21:17Z")
Now, if the New York Post and FOX and all them had made a big fuss about Condi’s “[Birth Pangs of](http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1219325,00.html) the New Middle East” stuff (i.e. people killing each other off in large numbers is OK because the old Middle East was no prize, we’ve got to move forward to a new Middle East, and this is how we get there), then I’d be willing to cut them some slack on this. But as it is, forget it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/50 "2007-01-13T02:24:03Z")
Fixing link: [the New Middle East](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121901651.html) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/51 "2007-01-13T04:43:18Z")
[QUOTE=pool] Yes I get it, that she is including herself in that category, but her comment isn’t any kind of newsflash or anything. I think a majority of Americans did support making others pay a price when they elected Bush and company to a second term, though they may have changed their minds later. In any case people in power will always make decisions which will not directly affect them and this is nothing new. I have not seen the Fox News take on this, but judging past behavior I am sure they are spinning it into some insult tantamount to calling Rice a barren spinster or something. Boxer’s words may hold truth but they are useless really and bring nothing new to the table that people were not already aware of. [/QUOTE] Of course there’s nothing newsworthy about what Boxer said, but the right isn’t upset about Boxer’s actual words, they’re pretending to be outraged about _imaginary_ words that she never spoke (just like when they pretended to be outraged about John Kerry “insulting” the troops). I wouldn’t try to argue that Boxer said anything especially insightful or important. I’m arguing that she didn’t say anything offensive or insulting. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/52 "2007-01-13T04:43:27Z")
Barney Frank is an opponent of Social Security reform. Who pays the price for his actions? Not him. In fact, gay men in general have children at much lower rates than the heterosexual population. Who pays the price when they cast votes that will have consequences long after they die? Not them. If it’s factually true, it’s not slimy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/53 "2007-01-13T04:48:04Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Barney Frank is an opponent of Social Security reform. Who pays the price for his actions? Not him. [/quote] What price? > [@](#): > > In fact, gay men in general have children at much lower rates than the heterosexual population. Who pays the price when they cast votes that will have consequences long after they die? Not them. > > If it’s factually true, it’s not slimy, right? That’s correct. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705/54 "2007-01-13T04:50:48Z")
It does seem like the Bushistas are extremely defensive about Condi’s rumored preference for comfortable shoes. I’ve got news for them, the only people that would care is THEM. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sec-of-state-rices-lack-of-kids-makes-her-unqualiifed-hold-an-opinion-about-the-war/387705.md?page=2)