# Second Coming? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 5, 2000, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199 "2000-01-05T19:08:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![inertia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@inertia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inertia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/21 "2000-01-05T22:20:00Z")
RTFirefly: > [@](#): > > The day of the lord cometh like a theif in the night. I got that off of the soundtrack to the Blues Brothers. * * * Everything looks better in black and white – Paul Simon ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/22 "2000-01-05T22:23:00Z")
Poly I don’t know whether you’re interested in my take on some of this or not, since I can see why I might be perceived as a renegade Christian, so if you tell me to butt out, I promise not to take it personally. I just don’t want to crash anything. My own understanding of Jesus “second coming” is derived from this: > [@](#): > > “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.” Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.” Jesus answered: "Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. "If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever — the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. He is, of course, the Spirit of truth. * * * “It is lucky for rulers that men do not think.” — Adolf Hitler ---
**Author:** ![Navigator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4af34b/32.png) [@Navigator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navigator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/23 "2000-01-05T22:30:00Z")
ahem… you gunna cite your source Lib?? Peace * * * † Jon † Phillipians 4:13 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/24 "2000-01-05T22:34:00Z")
Coolness, Lib. Would you care to run out, in your own words, what you understand this to mean (and the degree of credence you place on that interpretation)? If I’m reading you right, you’re saying that what everybody else is taking as the Return of Jesus (sc. Parousia) is actually the Coming of the Spirit (sc. Pentecost), and that’s what Jesus’s promises actually referred to. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/25 "2000-01-05T22:49:00Z")
Poly: Yep, I’d say that sums it up. Nav: Sorry. The source is John 14. * * * “It is lucky for rulers that men do not think.” — Adolf Hitler ---
**Author:** ![Navigator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4af34b/32.png) [@Navigator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navigator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/26 "2000-01-05T22:50:00Z")
I knew it! just didn’t want you to be guilty of plagerism 😉 Peace. * * * † Jon † Phillipians 4:13 ---
**Author:** ![WallyM7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5e925/32.png) [@WallyM7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WallyM7)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2000, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/27 "2000-01-05T23:40:00Z")
I know I shouldn’t be posting here, as I’m one of those lost Catholics (gracious!) who doesn’t know the Truth. Still, I wonder how many non Second Comings will it take before people start saying “we don’t know.” These just-around-the-corner Returns are getting tiresome. Sorry for the minor disruption. We now return you to our regular discussion, which will demonstrate … what? * * * Stop telling God what to do. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/28 "2000-01-06T00:13:00Z")
Well, Jesus has had about 2000 years to rest since his first coming, so he should be more than horny enough for the second by now. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/29 "2000-01-06T00:17:00Z")
Before yesterday, I thought the only Rapture debate that any Protestant, or even Catholic person could engage in was wether it’s post, or pre tribulation. Sadly, that notion was blown to bits by Tom. (No worries Tom, I was the naive one) Here are my beliefs: Jesus will come down from heaven at the sound of a great trumpet, when we least expect it. It may be tomorrow, or in the year 3214. Who knows. We’re not supposed to know. The dead believers will be raised, along with the living believers, and we’ll all join with Jesus in “the clouds.” I am Pre Trib, so after the Rapture, the Anti-christ will come to reign. Thus will begin the Great Triblulation. Plagues will abound, such as the world has never seen, nor can ever imagine. Even though the full wrath of God is unleashed, many will curse His name, and remain unrepentant. I believe that people will be saved during the Trib. Also, there are those that will be persecuted mightily for believing in God. One thing I want to mention in the anti-christ. I’ve heard that “Marilyn Manson is the Anti-christ,” or “This guy is the Anti-christ.” I personaly believe that this man will be more like Billy Graham. He’ll be loved, and likeable. He’ll be powerful, and well respected. And most importantly, he’ll be the guy you _least_ expect to be the Anti-christ. Adam * * * “Life is hard…but God is good” ---
**Author:** ![WallyM7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5e925/32.png) [@WallyM7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WallyM7)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/30 "2000-01-06T00:19:00Z")
Oh, you’re gonna burn, tracer. And some of these guys from LB will willingly stoke the flames. It’s too late for me, but you still have a chance. Save yourself while you can. * * * Stop telling God what to do. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/31 "2000-01-06T00:21:00Z")
Tracer… ☹ Usually I can brush off rude, silly comments about God. But that one went way too far. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/32 "2000-01-06T00:27:00Z")
whats going on here? all the strings keep getting shut down? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/33 "2000-01-06T00:41:00Z")
There can’t be a “second coming”, after all the messiah has to show up once before there can be a second time. ---
**Author:** ![Jois](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea666f/32.png) [@Jois](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jois)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/34 "2000-01-06T00:47:00Z")
Some believe that Revolution was written after the fall of the Second Temple. And not Jesus centered. With Revolution removed from the game board how would you concepts of the second coming shape up? * * * Oh, I’m gonna keep using these #%@&\* codes 'til I get 'em right. ---
**Author:** ![LongHrn99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@LongHrn99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LongHrn99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/35 "2000-01-06T01:12:00Z")
Would that be Revolution (the single version) or Revolution #9 (The White Album version)? Personally I always did go for the album version, but different that’s just me. * * * “I hear the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think that they will sing to me.” -T.S. Eliot ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/36 "2000-01-06T02:40:00Z")
ARG220, if you thought _that_ one went too far, you haven’t read The Onion… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/37 "2000-01-06T02:43:00Z")
No, Longhorn, you’ve got it confused. There’s “Revolution”, the single; there’s “Revolution #1”, the White Album version (kinda slow and mellow) of “Revolution”, and then there’s “Revolution #9”, the one that starts off “Number nine, number nine, number nine…” and then gets wierd. Actually, it already _is_ wierd on the original vinyl; spin it backwards and each “number nine” becomes “turn me on, dead man”. (Remember the “Paul is dead” hoax?) An instance of that satanic ‘backward masking’ that was being used to corrupt our kids, and put them in the thrall of the Antichrist. 😉 There. I got back to the thread - it wasn’t easy! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/38 "2000-01-06T03:22:00Z")
Tracer: No, I haven’t read the Onion, and I’ve never even heard of it. Don’t bother enlightening me either. ---
**Author:** ![LongHrn99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@LongHrn99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LongHrn99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/39 "2000-01-06T03:24:00Z")
Damn, I knew I was gonna screw it up. And to think, all I had to do was go upstairs and get my copy of it. I always DID like the slow and mellow version, though. ---
**Author:** ![the\_first\_supraliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f475e1/32.png) [@the\_first\_supraliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_first_supraliminal)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199/40 "2000-01-06T06:15:00Z")
Don’t feed the troll, ARG. * * * There’s always another beer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/second-coming/17199.md?page=3)