# Secret Border Patrol Facebook Page **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 1, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358 "2019-07-01T18:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/201 "2019-07-03T03:14:22Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > End of discussion on the Nazi claims–she 100% did call them Nazis. > > “Knew” enough, as in they were coordinating with this group as part of some thinly veiled conspiracy, or “knew” as in “our PR people investigated this before drafting a PR statement.” **It’s reprehensible and dishonest that you’re making the claim** that a PR statement made by a professional staffer of a union, somehow means many of its members have some sort of moral rot that needs addressed. > > Yes, let’s debate what the word “some” means. … and this? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/202 "2019-07-03T03:19:47Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > End of discussion on the Nazi claims–she 100% did call them Nazis. The Note having been issued, it is hardly appropriate to state an error as though it was an established fact. As has been pointed out in several posts in this thread, the phrase “concentration camp” was coined by the British over 30 years prior to the rise of the Nazis and the conflation of “concentration camp” with “extermination camp” that you appear to have embraced does not mean that every reference to a concentration camp is an accusation of naziism. Your are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/203 "2019-07-03T03:38:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Why? [Here are the 13 adjudication guidelines for revoking security clearance](https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/23/guidelines-revoking-security-clearance/): > > Which one(s) do you think they violated? Some large proportion of them have apparently violated prohibitions against [INDENT]Guideline D: Sexual behavior Criminal sexual behavior, sex addiction, sexual behavior that suggests a “lack of discretion or judgment.” Guideline I: Emotional, mental, and personality disorders “A condition or treatment that may indicate a defect in judgment, reliability, or stability.” Failure to follow prescribed treatments, including taking prescription medications. “A pattern of high-risk, irresponsible, aggressive, anti-social or emotionally unstable behavior.” Guideline J: Criminal conduct Allegations or admissions of criminal conduct with or without charges being pressed. Conviction for a serious crime or multiple lesser crimes. (In conjunction with guideline D)[/INDENT] I am not calling for a wholesale firing, but at the least, those accused of such violations should be investigated. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/204 "2019-07-03T03:51:18Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [AOC compares border crisis to Nazi Germany as the US gives free healthcare to illegal immigrants by Eddie Scarry](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/aoc-compares-border-crisis-to-nazi-germany-as-the-us-gives-free-healthcare-to-illegal-immigrants) > > [Dealing with the devil by Washington Examiner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/dealing-with-the-devil) > > See the difference? > [@DrDeth](#): > > They are both from the Examiner and not the Times? To use your own analogy: the second is the paper itself whereas the first is the paper quoting the author. They are _his_ words, _his_ name is attached to the opinion, _not_ the paper’s. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/205 "2019-07-03T04:12:18Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > This actually shows that you don’t understand the issue, should not talk about this matter or offer opinions on this matter until you have educated yourself. I actually have partially explained it already in this very thread: the Trump administration has changed how “unaccompanied minors” are classified. They also have started detaining people for the “misdemeanor” of illegally crossing the border. The current humanitarian crisis is created by a **Trump Administration shift in policy** , I literally posted that in my very first post in this thread: [Link](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21728757&postcount=100) > > So yes, factually speaking, the number of people that CBP must house **is far worse today than at nearly any other time** , it’s actually even worse than in the 2014 immigration crisis. Which… absolutely doesn’t contradict what I said. There is no surge. There is no crisis. It’s a dismal situation manufactured by the Trump administration because they WANT to do this. Thanks for violently agreeing with me. > [@](#): > > I’ve said if individual Border Patrol Agents are committing crimes, they need punished. And do you think they are or will be ? > [@](#): > > Comparisons to Nazi Germany and how “you can’t just say they’re following orders because that didn’t work for Nazis in Germany” is so ignorant on so many levels. Didn’t do that. Concentration camps are not exclusive to the Nazis, as you’ve been told many times. Climb down that strawey cross _por favor_. > [@](#): > > The correct reading of this situation is the Trump Administration imposed very stupid policy, policy that is bad whether it works or not. The policy doesn’t really work, and they did not do even the base level of preparation for enacting the policy. They basically took a big shit on our border apprehension/detention system, and expected career civil servants to just “make it work”, without any concomitant increase in resources. I frankly think we should feel sympathy for border agents just trying to do their jobs in incredibly trying circumstances. They are executors of the law and of executive orders, they do not have the legal agency to decide to stop detaining asylum seekers or to unilaterally just open the door to the detention centers and let people out. If you’d just take the time to stop frothing at me and read the thread, you’ll note I expressed some sympathy for the lowly cogs in the machine. Twice. > [@](#): > > That would be a case of executive branch civil servants substituting their opinion for that of our immigration judges and our elected executive branch leadership–that is not how a system of government can function. It would be people acting like they have a fucking conscience IMO, but then again I never suggested they should do that. For one thing, it’d be irresponsible to just let these children fend for themselves, no supervision no guardian no papers no nothing. > [@](#): > > You may be wondering, “Wait, that big uptick in 2014? Why wasn’t there a crisis then?” **There was, you just forgot about it and absolved Obama for any complicity in it**. I did ? Well, shit. Didn’t know I absolved nobody for nothing, me. > [@](#): > > I know significantly more about you on this topic, have researched it and followed this situation for years. You are someone who I think has only become interested in this as a means of attacking Trump, being outraged, and saying outrageous things. You need more education on the topic before you should feel entitled to spew out uninformed opinions. You really seem to know a lot about me and my motives, for someone who doesn’t know fuck all about me or my thoughts. I suppose I must defer to your judgement and much informed opinions about me, so eloquently “spewed”. > [@](#): > > I also oppose Trump’s Presidency, I voted for him in both the primary and general election. I do not believe that justifies behaving ignorantly or being willfully ignorant of information. You oppose him… by voting for him ? That’s a novel strategy, I’ll grant you that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/206 "2019-07-03T04:42:00Z")
(BTW since apparently I’ve been going around doing it unbeknownst to me : if I have absolved any of you guys, be it in public or in private, I was probably drunk, and it doesn’t count because I don’t own a single funny hat let alone the correct one. As of this writing you’re all still going to Hell with me. Sorry.) ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/207 "2019-07-03T04:57:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The Note having been issued, it is hardly appropriate to state an error as though it was an established fact. As has been pointed out in several posts in this thread, the phrase “concentration camp” was coined by the British over 30 years prior to the rise of the Nazis and the conflation of “concentration camp” with “extermination camp” that you appear to have embraced does not mean that every reference to a concentration camp is an accusation of naziism. > > Your are wrong. Well I was never arguing about the etymology of the English word “concentration camp.” I was talking about what AOC was calling civil servants. This discussion reminds me of the weird George Allen “macaca” kerluffle of 2006 or whatever when he called a pool reporter a weirdly out of date and rare racial slur, and pretended he didn’t know it was a racial slur when he used it. Or maybe you believe AOC was referring to early 20th century British concentration camps. Or that someone with her deficiency of IQ and logic and education would even know those ever existed. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/208 "2019-07-03T05:01:44Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Or that someone with her deficiency of IQ and logic and education would even know those ever existed. …wow. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/209 "2019-07-03T05:02:05Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You oppose him… by voting for him ? That’s a novel strategy, I’ll grant you that. Wow, weird typo on my part—meant to say I voted _against_ him. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/210 "2019-07-03T05:02:50Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Or maybe you believe AOC was referring to early 20th century British concentration camps. Or that someone with her deficiency of IQ and logic and education would even know those ever existed. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/211 "2019-07-03T05:11:03Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > By “these people” do you mean relatively poorly paid Border Patrol agents literally working around the clock to feed, clothe, and house desperate refugees? I’m assuming they sleep pretty well. They’re the ones actually helping these people as opposed to all the leftists of the internet who want to abolish our national customs enforcement agency and our national immigration agency (functions that are intrinsically required to be done by the government for all sovereign states) while **voting against** more money for the care of the refugees. AOC voted **against** giving money to feed and shelter these desperate people proving who the real villain here is–and it isn’t the people **actually helping** , it’s the people that have never lifted a finger to help anyone and who just self-aggrandize and make up lies on Instagram and Twitter to get “likes” and social media buzz. I’d like to believe that the Border Patrol agents are trying to do the best job they can with the limited resources they have. But this Facebook page shows this isn’t true. It shows that a lot of Border Patrol agents at best don’t give a damn and at worst enjoy the suffering of the people in their care. And that means that, yes, they are worse than the leftists you’re so worried about. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/212 "2019-07-03T05:11:39Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Or maybe you believe AOC was referring to early 20th century British concentration camps. Or that someone with her deficiency of IQ and logic and education would even know those ever existed. Lemme guess: you’re a member of that CBP union. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/213 "2019-07-03T05:22:30Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Some large proportion of them have apparently violated prohibitions against > [INDENT]Guideline D: Sexual behavior > Criminal sexual behavior, sex addiction, sexual behavior that suggests a “lack of discretion or judgment.” > Guideline I: Emotional, mental, and personality disorders > “A condition or treatment that may indicate a defect in judgment, reliability, or stability.” Failure to follow prescribed treatments, including taking prescription medications. “A pattern of high-risk, irresponsible, aggressive, anti-social or emotionally unstable behavior.” > Guideline J: Criminal conduct > Allegations or admissions of criminal conduct with or without charges being pressed. Conviction for a serious crime or multiple lesser crimes. (In conjunction with guideline D)[/INDENT] > > I am not calling for a wholesale firing, but at the least, those accused of such violations should be investigated. What violations are you referring to? Something posted to the private FaceBook group or something unrelated to it? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/214 "2019-07-03T07:53:12Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Lemme guess: you’re a member of that CBP union. Pretty sure **Martin Hyde** , as a former officer in the United States Armed Services, would never stoop so low as to join a union. I’d be astonished to learn that he believes workers on the public payroll should even have collective bargaining rights. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/215 "2019-07-03T10:41:17Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Or maybe you believe AOC was referring to early 20th century British concentration camps. Or that someone with her deficiency of IQ and logic and education would even know those ever existed. Gosh, how _would_ someone with a _cum laude_ degree in International Relations ever learn about early 20th C. political history? It truly boggles the mind how someone who must have attended a required course like “History of International Relations, 1900–1945” could know _anything_ about the South African War…never mind such irrelevant possible electives as “History of War”, or “History of Genocide”. Do tell us more about her “deficiencies”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/216 "2019-07-03T12:04:20Z")
By all means, I hope conservatives continue to think of AOC, who went from waitress to successfully running and winning a Congressional campaign against an experienced Democrat and developing a media profile larger than most Presidential candidates in just a few years, and is still in her 20s, as having “deficiency of IQ and logic and education”. I’m sure this is all just luck and chance, and not actually some talent and intelligence (in her 20s!) that could develop even further with years and decades of experience… ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/217 "2019-07-03T13:14:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But it wasn’t released days before an election, and there is absolutely no evidence that this Facebook page was faked by some “foreign adversary”. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/218 "2019-07-03T13:44:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The Note having been issued, it is hardly appropriate to state an error as though it was an established fact. As has been pointed out in several posts in this thread, the phrase “concentration camp” was coined by the British over 30 years prior to the rise of the Nazis and the conflation of “concentration camp” with “extermination camp” that you appear to have embraced does not mean that every reference to a concentration camp is an accusation of naziism. > > Your are wrong. Right, right, and the swastika is a sun symbol, and the Confederate battle flag has nothing to do with slavery, and there is no such thing as a dog whistle. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/219 "2019-07-03T13:47:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But it wasn’t released days before an election, and there is absolutely no evidence that this Facebook page was faked by some “foreign adversary”. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/220 "2019-07-03T14:00:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’d like to believe that the Border Patrol agents are trying to do the best job they can with the limited resources they have. But this Facebook page shows this isn’t true. It shows that a lot of Border Patrol agents at best don’t give a damn and at worst enjoy the suffering of the people in their care. And that means that, yes, they are worse than the leftists you’re so worried about. Last year I was spending some time with a friend who lives in a nearby rural border town (US/Canada) where DHS/ICE is a (the only) major employer. He reported that at school events the parents swap stories pridefully about how they inconvenience, harass, and physically intimidate or abuse people. I don’t expect this second-hand story to be proof for anyone on the boards, but it illustrates for me that at best ICE agents hold all the people they interact with, citizen or not, in low regard, and particularly when those people speak a different language or have dark skin, and at worst they are are intentionally abusive and violent, whether because of some righteousness complex or simple antisocial/racist feelings. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and in their tiny world, ICE agents have been given absolute power. ICE is a modern version of the local hillbilly police, wielding excessive and abusive power against strangers or any known entity who protests, simply because it can. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=12)