# Secret Border Patrol Facebook Page **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 1, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358 "2019-07-01T18:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/21 "2019-07-02T00:01:11Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Could the new POTUS just appoint a secretary of Homeland Defense who then appoints a director of CBP with specific orders to fire all the offending officers? Could the current contenders all run on the platform that they will appoint such a person to be the secretary of Homeland Defense? There’s significant civil service protections that are written into law that would have to be navigated by lengthy due process. Also ~90% belong to the [National Border Patrol Council](https://bpunion.org/about-npbc/), their union, that provides legal representation along with union representation in workplace issues like trying to fire them. Firing them wouldn’t be simple or quick. It could be tough to walk the line between traditional Democratic support for civil service protection and unions and firing them all. Potentially, it could make winning the midwest union vote and the blue-ish states that swung to Trump back even harder. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/22 "2019-07-02T02:08:11Z")
Print their names, print their locations, fire every one of them and cancel their pensions. Send them all swordless to Palestine. ETA: Don’t care how long it takes or how much it costs. Fire them all. While waiting for the paperwork to clear, transfer every motherloving one of them to someplace like Tok, Alaska. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/23 "2019-07-02T05:10:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > According to the article, there are 9,500 participants in that page. CBP has 20,000 officers, iow, assuming that all 9,500 were CBP officers, _about half the agency_ participated in this. Aside from the aforementioned issue about including “former” agents screwing up your guesswork about “half the agency”, I’m not sure that “participants” and “participated in” are really the right words to describe the level of activity of many group subscribers. I suspect that many of the subscribers never post anything to the group. Quite a few probably don’t even read what’s posted there. > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > … Could the new POTUS just appoint a secretary of Homeland Defense who then appoints a director of CBP with specific orders to fire all the offending officers? … Probably not. Democrats have succeeded at making it virtually impossible to fire rank-and-file .gov employees, and especially over something so trivial as being a member of a private facebook group that had a few people exercising their right to free speech in a way that gets liberals panties in a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/24 "2019-07-02T05:17:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > At the very least: if any of them hold a security clearance, said clearance should be revoked. Why? [Here are the 13 adjudication guidelines for revoking security clearance](https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/08/23/guidelines-revoking-security-clearance/): > [@](#): > > Guideline A: Allegiance to the United States > Belonging to a terror group, advocating the unconstitutional overthrow of the government, associating or sympathizing with terrorists, terror groups or those seeking the overthrow of the government. > > Guideline B: Foreign influence > Association with foreign citizens, business interest in foreign countries, potential that the individual could be coerced for some reason by a foreign government. > > Guideline C: Foreign preference > Dual citizenship, service in a foreign military, accepting benefits such as scholarships or retirement benefits from a foreign country. > > Guideline D: Sexual behavior > Criminal sexual behavior, sex addiction, sexual behavior that suggests a “lack of discretion or judgment.” > > Guideline E: Personal conduct > Refusing to cooperate with the clearance investigation, refusing to complete requested paperwork, refusing testing. Associating with known criminals, adverse reports from past employers, neighbors or friends. Providing false information or concealing information from investigators. > > Guideline F: Financial considerations > Pattern of not meeting financial obligations. White collar crime. Unexplained wealth. > > Guideline G: Alcohol consumption > Alcohol-related incidents at work or away from work. Medical diagnosis of alcohol abuse or dependence. Continued alcohol use after a rehab program. > > Guideline H: Drug involvement > Use of illegal drugs. Drug-related incidents at work or away from work. Medical diagnosis of drug abuse or dependence. Continued drug use after a rehab program. > > Guideline I: Emotional, mental, and personality disorders > “A condition or treatment that may indicate a defect in judgment, reliability, or stability.” Failure to follow prescribed treatments, including taking prescription medications. “A pattern of high-risk, irresponsible, aggressive, anti-social or emotionally unstable behavior.” > > Guideline J: Criminal conduct > Allegations or admissions of criminal conduct with or without charges being pressed. Conviction for a serious crime or multiple lesser crimes. > > Guideline K: Security violations > “Unauthorized disclosure of classified information.” Deliberate security violations. Multiple violations. Negligence. > > Guideline L: Outside activities > “Any service, whether compensated, volunteer, or employment with a foreign country, any foreign national, a representative of any foreign interest and any foreign, domestic, or international organization or person engaged in analysis, discussion, or publication of material on intelligence, defense, foreign affairs, or protected technology.” > > Guideline M: Misuse of information technology systems > Illegal or unauthorized access to a computer system. Unauthorized actions to alter, restrict or deny access to systems. Unauthorized removal of software or hardware from systems, or adding unauthorized software or hardware to systems. Which one(s) do you think they violated? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/25 "2019-07-02T05:20:02Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > As far as should the face recrimination, I would be in favor of firing every single member of that group and making them ineligible to be hired back into any government position as a lifetime ban. Of course that won’t happen under Trump, but I do hope the Democratic candidates make this part of their platforms. The day that a Democrat presidential candidate makes “mass firing of .gov employees” a part of their platform is the day that I think long and hard about if I’m in the wrong party. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/26 "2019-07-02T05:31:08Z")
**HD** you do yourself no favor trying to defend these people. In terms of possible reasons for termination - Guideline E - Personal Behavior Guideline I - Emotional, Mental and Personality Disorders Guideline J - Criminal Behavior Guideline K - Security violations This doesn’t even take us into ICE/CPB code. Firing is the best these people should get. Criminal charges should follow for some of them. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/27 "2019-07-02T05:49:11Z")
I don’t think firing all 9,500 people (or however many BP people) in a Facebook page just for being members of a page would be fair or legal. Those who posted offensive memes or content, perhaps, but just for being a member - no. Also, who would be in charge of the firing? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/28 "2019-07-02T05:54:13Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > … Criminal charges should follow for some of them. Which ones? For which crime(s)? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/29 "2019-07-02T05:57:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I don’t think firing all 9,500 people (or however many BP people) in a Facebook page just for being members of a page would be fair or legal. Those who posted offensive memes or content, perhaps, but just for being a member - no. > > Also, who would be in charge of the firing? Sunny Daze has already warned us about trying to be a voice of reason here. Can’t you see people are in a tizzy? “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!” is the only acceptable course of action here :rolleyes: Shit you guys are absurd sometimes. One minute you’re patting yourselves on the back for your “reality-based worldview” and the next minute you’re pining for people to be fired and charged criminally for their membership in a private FB group that said some not-so-nice things about illegal immigrants. We’re not fucking New Zealand here. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/30 "2019-07-02T06:14:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Sunny Daze has already warned us about trying to be a voice of reason here. Can’t you see people are in a tizzy? “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!” is the only acceptable course of action here :rolleyes: > > Shit you guys are absurd sometimes. One minute you’re patting yourselves on the back for your “reality-based worldview” and the next minute you’re pining for people to be fired and charged criminally for their membership in a private FB group that said some not-so-nice things about illegal immigrants. We’re not fucking New Zealand here. You don’t see a problem with strident racists being in charge of processing non-white migrants ? You further don’t see a problem with correlating the fact that there’s a bunch of strident racists working in BP and reports of BP agents brutalizing or even raping migrants in their care ? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/31 "2019-07-02T06:18:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > We’re not fucking New Zealand here > > . …absolutely fucking not. The United States of America voted the stupidest man on the planet to be their President, and there is a very good chance that in a couple of years they are going to do the very same thing again. We would never do something that stupid over here. And unlike America we don’t have concentration camps. We’re not fucking America here, thank fuck for that. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/32 "2019-07-02T07:16:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …absolutely fucking not. > > The United States of America voted the stupidest man on the planet to be their President, and there is a very good chance that in a couple of years they are going to do the very same thing again. We would never do something that stupid over here. > > And unlike America we don’t have concentration camps. We’re not fucking America here, thank fuck for that. Kudos to you. We aspire to follow in your mature and reasoned footsteps. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/33 "2019-07-02T07:23:11Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Kudos to you. We aspire to follow in your mature and reasoned footsteps. Not all of us aspire to [imprisoning people for wrongthink](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/06/18/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-philip-arps-gets-21-months-sharing-video/1485091001/). ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/34 "2019-07-02T07:55:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Not all of us aspire to [imprisoning people for wrongthink](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/06/18/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-philip-arps-gets-21-months-sharing-video/1485091001/). …its interesting you choose to defend Philip Arps, the man who [threatened](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/06/exclusive-police-investigating-white-supremacists-death-threats-against-winston-peters.html)to hang our Deputy Prime Minister, who filmed himself delivering [pigs heads](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214191) to the Al Noor Mosque, who ran a business that used a white supremacist symbol for its logo and sold his product for $14.88, yet you don’t have a bad word to say about the administration that has seperated parents from children without a system in place to bring them back together, an administration that is responsible for employing people that tell those in detention who are thirsty to “drink out of the toilet”. There are 67 people in jail in America right now **for life** for selling marijuana. So don’t lecture me about “wrongthink.” We don’t even come close to the depraved hypocrisy of the racist American judicial system. America is imprisoning people simply for the colour of their skin. You should worry about fixing that before you use \*\*this \*\*thread to talk about a subject and a country you really know nothing about. This thread isn’t about New Zealand. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/35 "2019-07-02T08:11:33Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > … This thread isn’t about New Zealand. It’s (at least in part) about whether people should “face recrimination” for exercising their rights to free speech in a way that upsets liberals. Several posters have suggested they deserve to be fired for their membership in a private facebook group that had some posts with off-color humor. At least one poster suggested some of them should be charged criminally. If you can’t see how the example New Zealand has given (where they do actually charge people criminally for politically-incorrect things posted to Facebook) might be relevant to the discussion, I feel pity for you. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/36 "2019-07-02T08:22:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It’s (at least in part) about whether people should “face recrimination” for exercising their rights to free speech in a way that upsets liberals. …it isn’t “in part.” It isn’t **at all**. > [@](#): > > Several posters have suggested they deserve to be fired for their membership in a private facebook group that had some posts with off-color humor. At least one poster suggested some of them should be charged criminally. You live in the United Fucking States of America. The alleged “home of the free.” If you are incapable of rebutting those arguments within the context of the Constitution then maybe you should be rethinking this whole “Great Debates” thing. > [@](#): > > If you can’t see how the example New Zealand has given (where they do actually charge people criminally for politically-incorrect things posted to Facebook) Cite? > [@](#): > > might be relevant to the discussion, I feel pity for you. It isn’t my job to demonstrate something is “relevant to the discussion.” Thats your job. Don’t feel pity for me. Feel pity for yourself that this is the best you can bring to the debate. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/37 "2019-07-02T08:36:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it isn’t “in part.” It isn’t **at all**. … I’d encourage you to try re-reading the OP > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Cite?.. See post #33 ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/38 "2019-07-02T08:53:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’d encourage you to try re-reading the OP …there is nothing about New Zealand in the OP. > [@](#): > > See post #33 You must be confused. Nobody with any semblance of humanity would characterize a video that showed the slaughter of 51 men, women and children as “politically-incorrect.” Warning: spoiler describes the shootings at the Mosque. > [@USA Today](#): > > The New Zealand Herald, which watched the live-stream video, reported that the gunman “began shooting indiscriminately” upon entering the mosque. > > He shot a second victim who was crawling in the main hallway, then blocked the hallway and began shooting at people who were cowering in corners of a room. He stopped to reload several times, the Herald reported, and then resumed firing repeatedly. > > After three minutes inside, the gunman exited through the mosque’s front door. Video showed him shooting randomly at cars. He got more ammunition out of his car trunk, the Herald reported, then shot at no apparent target on the street. > > “Looks like we won’t get the bird today, boys,” he said in the video. > > … > > He then re-entered the mosque, firing at people lying motionless on the ground. The video ended with him driving away from the scene, the Herald reported. > **[Social media scrambles to remove videos of New Zealand Christchurch mosque...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/03/14/new-zealand-mosque-shootings-gunman-livestreamed-attack-facebook/3171238002/)** > > A gunman who opened fire inside a New Zealand mosque on Friday live-streamed his attack in a 17-minute video. “Politically-incorrect?” Surely not. That wasn’t what you meant, right? There is also nothing in that cite that shows Arps was jailed for sharing that video of the slaughter **on facebook** either. Care to try again? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/39 "2019-07-02T10:19:56Z")
This is off-color humor? “The page also reportedly includes a photo illustration of Ocasio-Cortez giving oral sex in an immigrant detention center, and another of President Trump shoving her face in his crotch.” This is shameful. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/40 "2019-07-02T11:43:37Z")
Lol, not at all surprised HD swings in here to defend the **Concentration Camp** guards. Keep digging your way to Hell, boy! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=3)