# Secret Border Patrol Facebook Page **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 1, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358 "2019-07-01T18:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/101 "2019-07-02T19:34:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > In the official CBP press release about this issue yesterday, they _knowingly_ lied about a member of Congress, using this lie as an excuse to blame others for their culpability. > > [https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1146054968954241024?s=19](https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1146054968954241024?s=19) > > I don’t _know_ about you, but that indicates to me there is an institutionalized racist, authoritarian, and anti-Democratic vein at the very top levels of this agency. And I, like you, don’t _know_ how many of these FB people are actual CBP officers, but I am willing to go out on a limb and say it’s damned certain that the **majority** of members are current CBP officials. I second your skepticism that a substantial percentage of the accounts are from former officials; these “agents” seemed committed to their cause of actively policing the border knowing that, whether intentionally or not, their custody is inflicting physical and psychological trauma. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/102 "2019-07-02T19:36:11Z")
I don’t think the top of the agency lying actually says much about its membership. The permanent employees are civil servants who do this job whether Trump or Obama or etc are President. The top guys are all political appointees, and Trump only appoints loyalists and has only been appointing extreme hardliners to any of the immigration related posts. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/103 "2019-07-02T19:36:29Z")
> [@](#): > > …much like AOC and the people who think she’s some sort of paragon of virtue. A “paragon of virtue” is not required. Simple decency is all that is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/104 "2019-07-02T19:38:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A “paragon of virtue” is not required. Simple decency is all that is needed. Congrats on another step on your journey toward posting your 60,000th irrelevant non-sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/105 "2019-07-02T19:41:30Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [This](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21623173#post21623173) again? :rolleyes: Different wording. You could say i was inferring that the Times supported that positions, however in this case i simply mentioned that they “said” or printed that. which they did. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/106 "2019-07-02T19:41:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Congrats on another step on your journey toward posting your 60,000th irrelevant non-sequitur. Don’t read them. I’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/107 "2019-07-02T19:43:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Which, was \*published in the Washington Examiner. \* Thereby, they said it. The last time you did this and were corrected your response was better: > [@Kamala owns a gun "for personal safety"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/kamala-owns-a-gun-for-personal-safety/832465/381): > > Ok, I worded it badly. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/108 "2019-07-02T19:43:59Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I don’t think the top of the agency lying actually says much about its membership. The permanent employees are civil servants who do this job whether Trump or Obama or etc are President. The top guys are all political appointees, and Trump only appoints loyalists and has only been appointing extreme hardliners to any of the immigration related posts. It’s the Union - note my correction. In other words, these _are_ the employees. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/109 "2019-07-02T19:49:54Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It’s the Union - note my correction. > > In other words, these _are_ the employees. So from what I can tell the Border Patrol Union made an expected, and this case honest/factual defense of their members? They also denounced the individuals making inappropriate comments. It looks like you’re concerned they claim AOC called Border Patrol agents Nazis…which despite the “authoritativeness” of that Twitterati person you were quoting, is 100% what she has said. She has said their facilities are concentration camps. Who manned and ran concentration camps? She has called them Nazis. Arguing otherwise is like saying if I called someone an “SS Member” I hadn’t called them Nazis, that is counterfactual, every member of the SS was a Nazi. I’m also not sure the media department of the national border patrol union is mapped that closely to the entirety of their civil service employees. Not all CBP employees are in the union, and while the union’s elected leadership are all “current or former” CBP employees, their support staff and executive administration are hired employees. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/110 "2019-07-02T19:51:40Z")
She didn’t use the word, so it’s not exactly as “100%” as you claim. In addition, note that the _union_ knew enough about this group to classify its participants into: 1. Current Employees 2. Past Employees 3. Retired Employees 4. Others Seriously, Martin, your argument is pretty weak sauce. ETA: The union represents _90 %_ of all agents, not just some, according to their website: [https://bpunion.org/about-npbc/](https://bpunion.org/about-npbc/) > [@](#): > > Although union membership is not mandatory, the NBPC maintains a 90% membership rate among eligible Border Patrol Agents, offering a testament to the level of service provided to members. Some of the services we provide are as follows: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/111 "2019-07-02T19:55:30Z")
Thank you, Herr Goebbels… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/112 "2019-07-02T20:02:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The last time you did this and were corrected your response was better: So, was it or was it not published by the Examiner? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/113 "2019-07-02T20:03:35Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Thank you, Herr Goebbels… This is a warning for personal insults. Calling someone a Nazi is a personal insult. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/114 "2019-07-02T20:10:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, was it or was it not published by the Examiner? I thought you had gotten it the last time you made this mistake-apparently not. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/115 "2019-07-02T20:11:45Z")
I called him a propagandist. Would “Thank you, Baghdad Bob” be more acceptable? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/116 "2019-07-02T20:19:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > She didn’t use the word, so it’s not exactly as “100%” as you claim. > [@](#): > > “The United States is running concentration camps on our southern border and that is exactly what they are,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Monday night in an emotional Instagram live video. “They are concentration camps,” she reiterated to her viewers, who flooded the feed with comments. End of discussion on the Nazi claims–she 100% did call them Nazis. > [@](#): > > In addition, note that the _union_ knew enough about this group to classify its participants into: > > 1. Current Employees > 2. Past Employees > 3. Retired Employees > 4. Others > > Seriously, Martin, your argument is pretty weak sauce. “Knew” enough, as in they were coordinating with this group as part of some thinly veiled conspiracy, or “knew” as in “our PR people investigated this before drafting a PR statement.” It’s reprehensible and dishonest that you’re making the claim that a PR statement made by a professional staffer of a union, somehow means many of its members have some sort of moral rot that needs addressed. > [@](#): > > ETA: The union represents _90 %_ of all agents, not just some, according to their website: [https://bpunion.org/about-npbc/](https://bpunion.org/about-npbc/) Yes, let’s debate what the word “some” means. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/117 "2019-07-02T20:26:19Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > End of discussion on the Nazi claims–she 100% did call them Nazis. Unless you intended to post some other quote where she used the term “Nazis”, then she 100% did NOT call them Nazis. End of attempt to end discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/118 "2019-07-02T20:30:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Unless you intended to post some other quote where she used the term “Nazis”, then she 100% did NOT call them Nazis. End of attempt to end discussion. Like I said that discussion is over. I don’t argue with people that deny things like the sky is blue or etc. It’s like arguing with an anti-vaxxer or climate change denialist when you have unequivocal proof, there is no further need of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/119 "2019-07-02T20:33:26Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Like I said that discussion is over. I don’t argue with people that deny things like the sky is blue or etc. It’s like arguing with an anti-vaxxer or climate change denialist when you have unequivocal proof, there is no further need of discussion. I guess we’ll continue on without you, then. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/120 "2019-07-02T20:36:32Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > she 100% did call them Nazis. Where? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=7)