# Secret Border Patrol Facebook Page **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 1, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358 "2019-07-01T18:30:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/141 "2019-07-02T21:19:35Z")
I’m not the one defending _concentration camps_, buddy, by misattributing a quote by a person who herself is protesting _concentration camps_. Now prove your accusation or withdraw it. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/142 "2019-07-02T21:21:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m not the one defending _concentration camps_, buddy, by misattributing a quote by a person who herself is protesting the _concentration camps_. > > Now prove your accusation or withdraw it. It’s been proven. You should probably be worrying about why elected officials are lying about the existence of concentration camps and Nazi civil servants in the first place, those are dangerous allegations for a person to make when they are a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/143 "2019-07-02T21:27:50Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I posted actual video of her calling them Nazis. No, I posted [the actual Instagram video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6aR6il3RgA) referenced in [the link which you posted in response to my asking “where”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-claims-us-running-concentration-camps-on-southern-border/). The word used is “Fascists”, not “Nazis”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/144 "2019-07-02T21:28:51Z")
So, is this that ‘gaslighting’ thingy I’ve been hearing so much about? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/145 "2019-07-02T21:32:42Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > No, I posted [the actual Instagram video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6aR6il3RgA) referenced in [the link which you posted in response to my asking “where”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-claims-us-running-concentration-camps-on-southern-border/). The word used is “Fascists”, not “Nazis”. I’m confused as to how you have actually viewed the proof and failed to understand it. It’s in black and white, AOC is promulgating the claim that Border Patrol agents are Nazis. This isn’t complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/146 "2019-07-02T21:34:07Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It’s been proven. > > You should probably be worrying about why elected officials are lying about the existence of concentration camps and Nazi civil servants in the first place, those are dangerous allegations for a person to make when they are a lie. If we tell you we see “Nazis” too, will you stop? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/147 "2019-07-02T21:35:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If we tell you we see “Nazis” too, will you stop? I’m not the one who keeps bringing it up. I’m fine with discussing the core issue–is it appropriate for a sitting member of congress to lie about: 1. The existence of concentration camps 2. Civil servants being Nazis Or even to rope it back a bit–the topic of whether 9,500 people should be fired for membership in a Facebook group. The people who keep bringing up a settled point, are only doing so because they are attempting to gaslight and undermine the truth, it’s something you see on the internet all the time unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/148 "2019-07-02T21:35:55Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > AOC is promulgating the claim that Border Patrol agents are Nazis. By using a completely different word? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/149 "2019-07-02T21:37:09Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > By using a completely different word? I’m not sure what you’re confused about. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/150 "2019-07-02T21:40:11Z")
You are aware that not all Fascists have been Nazis, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/151 "2019-07-02T21:41:20Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Or even to rope it back a bit–the topic of whether 9,500 people should be fired for membership in a Facebook group. Yes. That’s exactly why people are incensed about this story. A fucking\* Facebook group\* ? How tacky and so very 2010 of them. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/152 "2019-07-02T21:41:32Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You are aware that not all Fascists have been Nazis, yes? Are we trying to shift the discussion to early 20th century nationalist movements now? I’m guessing you have then conceded what I said many posts ago, and which people have needlessly wasted energy on since: that AOC called civil servants Nazis, and their union, factually, defended them. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/153 "2019-07-02T21:43:21Z")
“AOC called civil servants Fascists…” FTFY ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/154 "2019-07-02T21:44:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “AOC called civil servants Fascists…” > > FTFY So you haven’t entered full reality, but partial-reality, are you ready to admit AOC is a liar? > **[Fact-checking Ocasio-Cortez on concentration camps](https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/jun/20/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-compared-migrant-camps-co/)** > > Recent assertions by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., that U.S.-run detention centers for migrants are "concentrat ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/155 "2019-07-02T21:47:13Z")
Jews literally were doing everything they could to escape the horrors of Nazism. Including trying to take ships from Europe to America (and in one instance being turned back to Europe.) It is a grave disrespect to the 6m Jews that died in the Holocaust, and all the victims of such pogroms and genocides, to **even suggest** that **hundreds of thousands of people literally breaking the law and voluntarily surrendering to U.S. authorities to knowingly be temporarily detained** is **remotely comparable to the crimes of the Nazis**. It’s offensive, it’s ignorant, and it’s not true. That’s what people need to be reckoning with when they start spewing lies nonstop. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/156 "2019-07-02T21:49:50Z")
[quote=“Martin\_Hyde, post:142, topic:836358”] It’s been proven. No it hasn’t. You may claim that, in your opinion she inferred as much, but that’s not the same thing. Regardless, I don’t know how these people sleep at night. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/157 "2019-07-02T21:52:24Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > You may claim that, in your opinion she inferred as much, but that’s not the same thing. Neither is Nazism and Fascism. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/158 "2019-07-02T21:53:13Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Jews literally were doing everything they could to escape the horrors of Nazism. Including trying to take ships from Europe to America (and in one instance being turned back to Europe.) It is a grave disrespect to the 6m Jews that died in the Holocaust, and all the victims of such pogroms and genocides, to **even suggest** that **hundreds of thousands of people literally breaking the law and voluntarily surrendering to U.S. authorities to knowingly be temporarily detained** is **remotely comparable to the crimes of the Nazis**. It’s offensive, it’s ignorant, and it’s not true. That’s what people need to be reckoning with when they start spewing lies nonstop. Are you arguing that Mexicans deserve the kind of abuse they’re receiving in American camps because they illegally came to America? I worked in maximum security prisons and it would be illegal to treat convicted murders the way these people are being treated just because they came here looking for work. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/159 "2019-07-02T21:53:14Z")
By “these people” do you mean relatively poorly paid Border Patrol agents literally working around the clock to feed, clothe, and house desperate refugees? I’m assuming they sleep pretty well. They’re the ones actually helping these people as opposed to all the leftists of the internet who want to abolish our national customs enforcement agency and our national immigration agency (functions that are intrinsically required to be done by the government for all sovereign states) while **voting against** more money for the care of the refugees. AOC voted **against** giving money to feed and shelter these desperate people proving who the real villain here is–and it isn’t the people **actually helping** , it’s the people that have never lifted a finger to help anyone and who just self-aggrandize and make up lies on Instagram and Twitter to get “likes” and social media buzz. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358/160 "2019-07-02T21:54:22Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > So you haven’t entered full reality, but partial-reality, are you ready to admit AOC is a liar? > > [https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jun/20/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-compared-migrant-camps-co/](https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jun/20/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-compared-migrant-camps-co/) “Her tweet didn’t specifically mention Nazi Germany…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-border-patrol-facebook-page/836358.md?page=9)