# Secret Invasion (Nick Fury tv series) There be spoilers in here **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [June 22, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922 "2023-06-22T04:16:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/21 "2023-06-26T08:02:51Z")
**[VOICE OF ZERO MOSTEL]:** No kidding! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/22 "2023-06-26T11:10:47Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > > [@msmith537](#): > > > > So they are using some AI tool instead of Adobe or fingerpainting or whatever. > > You have a very disappointingly limited concept of how art is created. I’m not sure how you determined that from my statement. Or why it “disappoints” you for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/23 "2023-06-26T11:39:19Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/24 "2023-06-26T11:40:21Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/25 "2023-06-26T11:40:34Z")
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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/26 "2023-06-26T19:36:55Z")
Watched this last night, was VERY disappointed. Some complaints/issues: (1) Overall, a show where anyone can be shapeshifters at any time is just exhausting/unfun to watch… as there are no stakes. Something happened! Oh, but maybe it didn’t happen. Maybe the person who got killed was a shapeshifter. Maybe the person killing them was a shapeshifter. You can’t believe anything anyone ever says. And unless it’s a VERY well done story, that doesn’t make it tense and paranoid and claustrophobic, it just makes it boring and exhausting (2) On the subject of shapeshifters, they’ve known about Skree for 30 years now. Don’t they have a Skree detector? Why not? Are shapeshifter Skree identical down to the subatomic level? If not, should be easy enough for some of the supergenius scientists (Banner, Shuri, etc) to build a machine to detect them. And if the storytelling requires that no such machine can be made (which seems pretty implausible even for a universe with magic and Gods), at least acknowledge it… have a throwaway line where someone comments that they’re still working on it but it’s hard because (technobabble) (3) Why did Fury and Hill have to go AWOL? Is the mission they are on one that the US would disapprove of for some reason? Seems like “protect the world from destruction” is something their bosses would be on board with (4) Speaking of “protect the world from destruction”, the baddies’ plan seems incredibly poorly thought out even by the standards of MCU villains. Step 1 is use radiation to kill literally every human on Earth, I guess. Step 2 is… live on an empty irradiated planet with only a few thousand of them? Is that really better than living on, say, an island on a functioning planet with technology, industry, etc? And even ignoring the moral aspect of committing genocide, you know what happens if you kill all the humans? Suddenly, your ability to pretend to be human is gone. And you know who is going to be FUCKING PISSED at you, and is immune to radiation? Well, (1) the Hulk, and (2) Captain Marvel, to start with, who are, you know AVENGERS. Like, their purpose is to AVENGE THINGS. Plus, probably, Wakanda, Doctor Strange, and a ton of other extraordinarily powerful and angry individuals. Their goal should be “we demand a large island to live on on our own”, but some of them want to just kill everyone on the island and take it, while others want to use diplomacy, but the diplomacy is taking frustratingly long, yada yada. (5) Does it make any sense that the bomb-maker was a Skree? Did the baddies know? Was he one of them? (6) What precisely was the baddies’ plan at the square? Just to set off bombs? If so, why bother with all the decoy backpacks? Why did it benefit them to lure Fury and so forth there? Obviously the daughter was in on the plan (as she had to know she was caring an empty backpack), but why bother sending her back to her dad to lie to him. Why not, just, you know, NOT do that? (7) Boy did I hate the scene where Fury was following the chief baddy but he kept changing form when Fury couldn’t see him. You know who COULD see him? Like, everyone else from any other POV. Shouldn’t someone have said “holy shit, that little girl just shapeshifted”? And how did that guy know about the brightly colored ball in the first place? Just stupid, stupid writing. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/27 "2023-06-26T19:46:13Z")
FWIW, they are Skrulls. I think you conflated their name with that of their mortal enemies the Kree. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/28 "2023-06-26T19:47:45Z")
You are forgetting the hybrids. If it is a male Skrull and a female Kree, the offspring is a Skree. If the opposite, a Krull. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/29 "2023-06-26T19:49:22Z")
It just shows you how convoluted the Marvel Universe is that I have no idea if I’m being whooshed or not. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/30 "2023-06-26T20:48:41Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Overall, a show where anyone can be shapeshifters at any time is just exhausting/unfun to watch… Yep. For me it got old by the episode’s second reveal, and there must have been 10 or more. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > What precisely was the baddies’ plan at the square? Just to set off bombs? If so, why bother with all the decoy backpacks? I thought they were supposed to be dirty bombs, but they seemed pretty conventional. I’m thinking, _That’s the grand plan?_ On top of everything else in your post, the worst sin in the episode was making a Samuel L Jackson character boring. Yes, I get that Fury is depressed or something – and we’re likely being set up for him to regain his mojo – but this guy could be played by almost any actor. I’ll watch episode 2 because I’m paying for Disney+ anyway, but my patience has limits. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/31 "2023-06-26T21:23:44Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Yes, I get that Fury is depressed or something – and we’re likely being set up for him to regain his mojo I think we are being set up to that not being Fury. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/32 "2023-06-26T21:35:14Z")
I’d assume that Nick Fury is starting off as an especially jaded old man in order to regain some of his vim and vigour - he could start by losing that beard. And as mentioned above, I hope they don’t have too many ‘gotcha!’ shape-shifter reveals, especially involving Fury himself. The AI credits don’t bother me, in that it’s that particular shape-shifting (geddit?!) psychedelic imagery which is obviously AI-generated. If the credits had looked like a human creation but weren’t, then I’d be less enthusiastic. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/33 "2023-06-26T22:02:52Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think we are being set up to that not being Fury. > [@Staggerlee](#): > > I hope they don’t have too many ‘gotcha!’ shape-shifter reveals, especially involving Fury himself. They already did one in episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/34 "2023-06-26T22:15:13Z")
That one was super obvious though. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/35 "2023-06-26T23:13:59Z")
They already went to the “it’s not really Fury” well in Spider-Man. It would be lame to do it again. I also assume they held the camera on Hill for so long to make sure we know that was really her. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/36 "2023-06-26T23:20:50Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I thought they were supposed to be dirty bombs, but they seemed pretty conventional. I’m thinking, _That’s the grand plan?_ The only thing that makes any sense at all that I can think of is something complicated where there were never dirty bombs, that was all a lie to lure in Fury/etc, and the “dirty bomb expert” was never a dirty bomb expert, etc. Rather, there’s some entirely other plan in which the baddies needed to get Fury and the good shapeshifters into that square to… frame them for a smaller but still deadly act of terrorism or something? But that’s getting WAY into overly-elaborate-villain-plans-that-fall-apart-the-moment-you-think-about-them territory. Certainly, if Fury was 50 feet from an actual detonating dirty bomb he should, I assume, be dead very soon. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/37 "2023-06-27T11:53:33Z")
I agree with everything you said (except the misnomers…) Yet, I still enjoyed it. I may just be starved for MCU content. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/38 "2023-06-28T18:19:41Z")
Week two was better. Not a fan of gratuitous torture but at least it was a villain doing it and not the hero(es). ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/39 "2023-06-28T20:25:13Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > It just shows you how convoluted the Marvel Universe is that I have no idea if I’m being whooshed or not. You and me both. I’m gonna lean into whoosh. Maybe @What_Exit should put an open spoilers label on the thread? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/40 "2023-06-28T21:16:34Z")
It was? I thought that person was a hero (i.e., was on Fury’s side, not that torture is heroic). Wasn’t she torturing the guy to learn Gravek’s plans). Slightly disappointed that there have been no post-credits scenes. Not that I need them, but given MCU history, I always watch until the credits are done, just in case, and so far, the time has been wasted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=3)