# Secret Invasion (Nick Fury tv series) There be spoilers in here **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [June 22, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922 "2023-06-22T04:16:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/61 "2023-07-03T15:32:23Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The leader of NATO and the UK prime minister are skrulls, we know they are the ones trying to start a war between the US and Russia. No, the NATO leader was the one who was resistant to Gravik’s leadership until he got throat-punched into submission. He certainly was not trying to start a war. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > and again, if they’ve already achieved that much power, then why do they need to start a war? They want to be able to live freely as Skrulls, not spend their lives pretending to be human. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/62 "2023-07-03T16:18:34Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > They want to be able to live freely as Skrulls, not spend their lives pretending to be human. And Fury explains why that wouldn’t work without a war - humans are too belligerent to live with themselves, let alone a whole other alien species. Which is sadly true. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/63 "2023-07-03T17:08:21Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (2) Which brings us to the second point… if the Skrulls have infiltrated that many levels of power, haven’t they already basically won? Can’t they more or less get whatever they want, as they are in charge of everything? It makes very little sense for them to be both dirt-poor put-down refugees who just want some teeny sliver of earth to call their own… but also they literally control many of the world’s major nations. Hard to have it both ways. I thought about it and I don’t think it’s as simple as that. There are a million of them. About the population of Austin, TX or half the population of the Gaza Strip. Think about how difficult it is for regular Earth immigrants to integrate into society, particularly if their status isn’t exactly legal. Now imagine that they are immigrants from another planet with no prior human history or credentials who have to go around wearing someone else’s face (who might actually still be using it) on an Earth where there are actually real extra terrestrials who have caused catastrophic events. Shape shifting or not, the Skrull infiltrators wouldn’t be in charge of anything for very long if humans suddenly figured out they were shape shifting aliens with their own alien agenda. Plus I think a major plot point of the show is the Skrulls aren’t really in agreement over what their agenda should be anyway. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Also, there was a snippet of dialog about “What if the Avengers return” or something. Did they go somewhere? Cap is gone and Iron Man is dead, and I guess Spider Man has been forgotten by everyone, but aren’t there still a lot of very powerful Avengers who basically are publicly known to be on earth (Strange, Hawkeye, War Machine, Hulk) or pop in frequently (Thor, Captain Marvel)? Also, Wakanda exists. I asked this awhile ago and I think the answer was that, at present, there really is no longer a coherent organized “Avengers” team. The surviving Infinity War avengers are all sort of doing their own thing and the new batch of potential Avengers (Shang Chi, She Hulk, Kate Bishop (Hawkeye II), Shuri (Black Panther II), Cassie Lang, Monica Rambeau, Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel), and Riri Williams (Ironheart) have yet to form anything cohesive beyond after-credits scenes with Bruce Banner. Which I guess is probably what Secret Invasion is leading up to. Nick Fury getting his mojo back to put together a new Avengers team to fight Kang. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/64 "2023-07-03T17:15:25Z")
Strange was never really an Avenger, and probably the only one who would be useful in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/65 "2023-07-03T19:24:11Z")
So Olivia Coleman’s a Kree, right? Someone has to be. > [@cmkeller](#): > > They want to be able to live freely as Skrulls, not spend their lives pretending to be human. And that justifies mass murder? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/66 "2023-07-03T20:08:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > So Olivia Coleman’s a Kree, right? Someone has to be. Well they are not shape shifters so if she is she would have been since birth. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/67 "2023-07-03T20:23:03Z")
But they look human - the human-colored ones, not the blue ones - so it shouldn’t be a problem. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/68 "2023-07-03T20:28:56Z")
Sure, but it means she is also a real MI6 agent and not just pretending to be one. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/69 "2023-07-03T20:37:57Z")
So she’s been infiltrating the organization for decades. Wouldn’t be the first time something like that has happened in a spy story. Doesn’t have to be from infancy, either. She sets up a fake background using super space technology, joins MI6 in her 20s, and spends 20 or so years rising through the ranks. Maybe the Kree decided to infiltrate Earth’s intelligence services back in the 1990s, after Carol Danvers brought the planet to their attention. Who knows? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/70 "2023-07-03T20:43:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > And that justifies mass murder? Who said anything about justifying? The post I was addressing asked why they’d start a war when they have a lot of power already. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/71 "2023-07-03T20:46:01Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Maybe the Kree decided to infiltrate Earth’s intelligence services back in the 1990s, after Carol Danvers brought the planet to their attention. Who knows? Weren’t they already infiltrating Earth government institutions before that, given that Mar-Vell was pretending to be Wendy Lawson and working for…NASA? The Air Force? Something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/72 "2023-07-03T21:01:18Z")
I think she was something of a rogue agent. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/73 "2023-07-03T21:17:47Z")
The impression I got was that she went rogue only after getting to like/respect Earthlings, but she started out as a genuine Kree infiltrator. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/74 "2023-07-03T22:46:24Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > They want to be able to live freely as Skrulls, not spend their lives pretending to be human. Do they? I mean, I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I wish it was all a bit more clear. Is it uncomfortable for them to shapeshift for extended periods? Or is it just a thing where they can but don’t want to have to? And what do they think about human culture. Have young Skrulls grown up watching human movies? Is the younger generation going to be upset if Gravik’s generation’s plan works out and suddenly, whoops, you never get to see the next season of Stranger Things because, you know, you genocided them? I’m sure this isn’t actually how this series came to be, but it feels like the writers had a story they thought would be fun to write, of a lone human who has to defeat an infiltrating army of shapeshifters intent on genocidal extinction. Not an unreasonable story. Does it make sense for Nick Fury to be that lone human, given his backstory? And does it make sense those genocideal shapeshifters to be Skrulls, given the existing MCU backstory? No and no. But they’re not going to let that stop them from telling this story. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/75 "2023-07-04T00:23:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I don’t know what **Quimby** meant, but perhaps humans could use a [Portal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6o)? What I mean is that it’s nothing personal. They are pissed at Fury (that part is personal) but they are not waiting any longer and have decided we are in the way to their having a home of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/76 "2023-07-04T00:54:32Z")
Nick Fury vs an invasion of one million Skrulls reminds me of that time Daredevil faced off with Galactus. What? That never happened? Fury is a little out of his lane here. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/77 "2023-07-04T02:38:24Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > But I wish it was all a bit more clear. Is it uncomfortable for them to shapeshift for extended periods? Or is it just a thing where they can but don’t want to have to? And what do they think about human culture. From the sound of things, Gravek just finds it shameful that they need to hide their true selves. Not physically uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/78 "2023-07-07T13:29:37Z")
Just watched episode 3 and I can firmly say I’m only continuing so I can post here about the show’s ongoing lameness. Dumbest moment: Fury needs the (compromised) admiral’s password to stop the sub from shooting down the UN plane and starting WWIII. G’iah goes to where the actual compromised humans are kept and watches about five seconds of a video showing what’s going on in the admiral’s mind. An image of his son pops up, and she tells Fury “the password is ‘Zachary!’” Of course it is. Because an admiral would really use his son’s name – the first thing anyone would guess – as the password for giving launch instructions. 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/79 "2023-07-07T14:00:18Z")
Yeah, that was my thought too. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/80 "2023-07-07T14:09:44Z")
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