# Secret Invasion (Nick Fury tv series) There be spoilers in here **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [June 22, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922 "2023-06-22T04:16:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/141 "2023-07-27T04:08:34Z")
I loved the finale. G’iah really pushed Gravik’s buttons, to the point of getting him to monologue and not think about her “forgetting” details of their past. And then his grab for ultimate power was exactly his undoing. Classic hubris. Sweet ending for Fury and Varra. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/142 "2023-07-27T09:27:47Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Gravik went down in a single blast, almost none of the people who’s DNA they used would have died or really been hurt all that much from it. Well, that blast contained power equal to Gravik’s. Thor could maybe knock himself out with a single punch, just as an ordinary human could, without that making him a pushover. But if course, that’s just up to the writers. You may be right that the transfer process somehow leaves the powers degraded, although I have seen nothing that suggests this. Another point might be that individual powers have to be activated to be used, and maybe Gravik just didn’t have the invulnerability on at the crucial moment… > [@Pleonast](#): > > G’iah really pushed Gravik’s buttons, to the point of getting him to monologue and not think about her “forgetting” details of their past. On the other hand, I thought that Gravik, member of a shape-shifting race who knows that there are other shape-shifters working against him, not for one second questioned whether he was actually faced with the real Fury was a bit of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/143 "2023-07-27T10:43:23Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > But if course, that’s just up to the writers. You may be right that the transfer process somehow leaves the powers degraded, although I have seen nothing that suggests this. Apart from the giant hole in his gut. I just don’t see that working on Danvers or Hulk or even Thor. > [@](#): > > Another point might be that individual powers have to be activated to be used, and maybe Gravik just didn’t have the invulnerability on at the crucial moment… This also makes a lot of sense. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/144 "2023-07-27T14:58:08Z")
Ehhhhh. It was fine I guess. I didn’t hate it and it was neat seeing Nick Fury and it was an interesting twist seeing that he was married to a skrull. Nothing else was exceptional though, none of the surprises were surprising. Mulroney was fine as President Ritson I guess but seeing him just made me miss William Sadler’s President Ellis from Iron Man 3. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/145 "2023-07-27T21:20:24Z")
I am going to really miss Maria Hill. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/146 "2023-07-27T23:18:35Z")
I watched Winter Soldier on a whim earlier, mostly for the awesome nick fury car chase scene. EVERYONE calls him Nick, not even just his friends. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/147 "2023-07-30T09:34:14Z")
I didn’t hate it. I’ll miss Maria Hill, and I didn’t like that the end fight was a huge CGI battle, but otherwise it was a bottle of Brut amidst other colognes and aftershaves - maybe not high class, but smelly enough, for the money. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/148 "2023-07-30T10:19:36Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > This series set up what would have been a better show that we now may never get because it was so mediocre. Also not a fan about how a huge amount of character development for Fury ended up not being true because it wasn’t Fury actually talking. > > I did like the Super Skrull fight at the end. It was neat seeing bits and pieces of other Characters and their powers. > > This week tried to walk back just how evil the Skrulls as a people may have been a little. I was under the impression that Skrull council was the “Government” for the entire population. That was why I was so on board with calling them all enemies last week but it was apparently just this extremist faction’s leadership which returns some sympathy to them. Watching Skrulls and non Skrulls getting mowed down was pretty horrifying. Not sure where it goes from here but I will assume Sonya and G’ia show up in the Thunderbolts movie. I think the Skrulls are no more or less monolithically “evil” as a people than the Humans are. One of the things I like about the MCU is (by and large) how intricately the shared universe ties together across the different films and shows. For example, how major events like The Blip or the Chitauri attack on New York influence events and drive the plot in other films and shows. Or at least it used to. There are so many superheros and factions and whatnot that it seems like it’s getting harder to believably tie them all together. What bothers me a bit about Secret Invasion is they kind of introduced some major concepts into the MCU without really resolving them: - How does the public knowledge that there are at least a million shape-shifting aliens living on Earth continue to influence Human culture, which is already kind of paranoid and violent to begin with? - Are these violent attacks a few isolated incidents or does it continue to escalate into actual warfare with the Skrull forced to take more extreme methods to defend themselves? - We know of at least one alien race living openly on Earth (the Asgardians). How does this impact them? I feel like they alluded to some of this in the ending scenes and maybe Secret Invasion does end up driving a lot of the upcoming story in the next phase of the already convoluted MCU. But you could really have an entire ongoing show that just deals with the Skrulls living on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/149 "2023-07-30T17:07:51Z")
My point about the Skrulls was a reference to my post a week earlier where it seemed the show was going out of its way to make the Skrulls as an entire species untrustworthy and unlikable. I don’t like judging entire populations either but show until the finale was making it seem that other than a few individuals the Skrulls as a whole were up to no good. Thankfully that was walked back and the realities of hating an entire species were shown in all their horrific reality. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/150 "2023-07-30T23:14:28Z")
One thing this show did effectively, but may not intentionally, is make me side with the Kree. Get rid of the skrulls; they’re a menace. I was on Team Skrull until this show came out ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/151 "2023-07-31T13:55:50Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Get rid of the skrulls; they’re a menace. That’s like deciding Wakandans are bad because of Killmonger. It’s not fair to judge a country by its worst leader, nor a species by its worst country. Of course, Skrulls can’t be given a pass because of the oppression they’ve experienced. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/152 "2023-07-31T21:37:33Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > One of the things I like about the MCU is (by and large) how intricately the shared universe ties together across the different films and shows. For example, how major events like The Blip or the Chitauri attack on New York influence events and drive the plot in other films and shows. Or at least it used to. There are so many superheros and factions and whatnot that it seems like it’s getting harder to believably tie them all together. In the first couple of phases of the MCU, I could fit the whole thing in my head, but now it’s just too big for that. I simply can’t remember everything that’s gone before. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/153 "2023-07-31T21:45:17Z")
They set up too many things that just get abandoned. Are we ever going to see Mordo and his wizard murder spree? Or whatever Sharon Carter is up to? White Vision… whoever Harry Styles and Jon Snow played, etc etc. All this set ups used to be building toward one single thing, now they just throw things at the wall and see what sticks. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/154 "2023-07-31T23:14:09Z")
eh, they’re fictional. Fuck 'em all. Which is another problem with this show. Every time irl I complain about them I sound like the worst close-the-borders reactionary. And I say things about the Skrulls that I do not feel about real refugees. If it’s supposed to be metaphorical, it’s not working well for me. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/155 "2023-07-31T23:19:16Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > eh, they’re fictional. Fuck 'em all. Yeah. There’s nothing wrong with two-dimensional characters in a comic book story. I thought Skrulls were a lot more fun when they were all dicks. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/156 "2023-07-31T23:56:25Z")
I’ve hated the Skrulls since they first appeared in the comics. I fucking HATE shape-shifter stories! It’s the ultimate author cheat. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can resist messing with the reader/viewer just for the lulz. Fuck that. All shape-shifters must die. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/157 "2023-08-01T01:00:57Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Every time irl I complain about them I sound like the worst close-the-borders reactionary. Then just hate on the story like everyone else. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/158 "2023-08-01T05:21:25Z")
Including illusionists and people with face change tech?? {Mysterio and Chameleon slink away} ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/159 "2023-08-01T14:16:50Z")
The only decent use of face-change tech was Black Widow in _Winter Soldier_. Even then it would have been more fun if Pamela Hawley kicked Pierce’s ass instead of Nat. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/160 "2023-08-01T14:50:34Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (1) How does it make the remotest sense that anyone seriously thinks that Nick Fury was a terrorist? I mean, isn’t he literally known around the world (at least to people in power) as the creator of The Avengers, etc? There was a mysterious terrorist attack, and he was nearby. Of COURSE he was, he was trying to stop it! This seems to happen often enough in the comics and in the comic book movies. In _Batman Returns_, Batman is regarded as a hero thanks to defeating the Joker last time around, but one planted Batarang is all it takes for Commissioner Gordon to get on TV and brand him a murderer. It’s lazy, rushed storytelling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=9)