# Secret Invasion (Nick Fury tv series) There be spoilers in here **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [June 22, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922 "2023-06-22T04:16:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/161 "2023-08-01T14:52:58Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > This seems to happen often enough in the comics and in the comic book movies. In _Batman Returns_, Batman is regarded as a hero thanks to defeating the Joker last time around, but one planted Batarang is all it takes for Commissioner Gordon to get on TV and brand him a murderer. It’s lazy, rushed storytelling. In the Batman case it is lame, but here? Nick Fury is not known as the creator of the Avengers, he is known as an American spy master. Most countries would not consider him a hero and would absolutely believe he was behind a terrorist attack. In real life someone like him would have absolutely been behind plenty of terrorist attacks all over the world. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/162 "2023-08-01T15:11:38Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > One of the things I like about the MCU is (by and large) how intricately the shared universe ties together across the different films and shows. For example, how major events like The Blip or the Chitauri attack on New York influence events and drive the plot in other films and shows. Or at least it used to. There are so many superheros and factions and whatnot that it seems like it’s getting harder to believably tie them all together. Which is kind of the way a publisher’s interlocking comic books work, for better or for worse. When I was reading/collecting, my tastes ran to the more down-to-earth heroes and stories. Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Captain America when Brubaker was writing it and so forth. I couldn’t give a monkey’s about anything happening in outer space or in Asgard. With the printed media, you can often (though not always) just stick to the titles you like and get a coherent story: The MCU goes back and forth on it, but there are times when unless you’ve watched 99% of the movies/TV shows, you’ll be lost in the next thing that comes out. I know there’s the pretense of “it’s all one story” and maybe the Multiverse arc is shattering that for good, but the MCU is becoming more and more like Marvel’s published work in that, there’s a subtle understanding that it can’t ALL fit together. It does tickle me, as I watch _Secret Invasion_, that the goofiness of _Guardians of the Galaxy 3_ is happening offworld somewhere in the same reality, but it’ll never be acknowledged onscreen anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/163 "2023-08-01T15:51:04Z")
> [@veryfrank](#): > > but it’ll never be acknowledged onscreen anywhere. We did see Drax’s arm, G’iah even somehow copied his tattoos from his DNA… ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/164 "2023-08-01T16:09:37Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > G’iah even somehow copied his tattoos from his DNA… But, but … oh never mind. ---
**Author:** ![veryfrank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@veryfrank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/veryfrank)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/165 "2023-08-01T16:40:03Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We did see Drax’s arm, G’iah even somehow copied his tattoos from his DNA… Good catch. “:Almost never and only tangentially” then lol I think the Russo brothers missed out on a great moment of fan service by not having the stars of the Netflix Marvel shows appear on the battlefield during the climax of _Endgame_. That would have done my nerdy heart good. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/166 "2023-08-01T17:13:20Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > On the other hand, I thought that Gravik, member of a shape-shifting race who knows that there are other shape-shifters working against him, not for one second questioned whether he was actually faced with the real Fury was a bit of a stretch. He probably thought he killed all of the dissidents. He didn’t know that G’iah had healed herself after he shot her, and he massacred all the Skrulls in that cafeteria(?) after one of them had somewhat gently expressed reservations about his plan. > [@DigitalC](#): > > I love how they made such a big deal about how radioactive the Skrull base was but the prisoners were kept there exposed for months if not years with zero ill effects. Since they needed those humans alive, I assume they were kept in a shielded place. > [@msmith537](#): > > I think the Skrulls are no more or less monolithically “evil” as a people than the Humans are. I’m sure that’s true, but I remember in the first episode, that member of the Council who objected to Gravik’s takeover said that they lost Skrullos in the first place because they were too warlike. So maybe they’re not all evil, but there must be something inherent in Skrull culture that does not play well with other races. I’m pretty disappointed, by the way, that that particular point didn’t really figure into the rest of the series at all. > [@DigitalC](#): > > They set up too many things that just get abandoned. Are we ever going to see Mordo and his wizard murder spree? Or whatever Sharon Carter is up to? White Vision… whoever Harry Styles and Jon Snow played, etc etc. Don’t know about the Mordo thing, but I’m pretty sure that the Vision plot is meant to be addressed in an upcoming series called “Vision Quest” and that Sharon Carter is going to figure into the upcoming Thunderbolts movie. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/167 "2023-08-03T07:45:59Z")
Speaking of which, I was sure hoping it would turn out Sharon and Swordsman were Skrulls. Swordsman cause he treated the whole Hawkeye series like a dude in a holodeck adventure. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/168 "2023-08-03T13:53:17Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Swordsman cause he treated the whole Hawkeye series like a dude in a holodeck adventure. That was the best part! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/169 "2023-08-03T18:37:25Z")
Towards the very end, after the President gives his hateful and ill advised “kill em all” speech we see a vigilante group getting its ass kicked by a couple of John Wick type badasses. Were these anyone from Marvel, or were they random badasses? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/170 "2023-08-03T21:16:22Z")
On review, it’s just one badass, an Asian woman. Any Ideas ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/171 "2023-08-07T13:34:34Z")
After consulting with IMDB and the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki, that was the unnamed (I think) Skrull impersonating Shirley Sagar. She appeared in episodes 2 and 6. She was the one Skrull who walked out of the Skrull Council after refusing to acknowledge Gravik as their new leader. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/172 "2023-08-07T15:31:38Z")
Thanks! I also looked it up and you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/173 "2023-10-11T15:04:36Z")
…here is a Hollywood Reporter article that, while mainly about Daredevil, goes into detail about what went wrong with Secret Invasion and: woof. > [@THR](#): > > This change was felt most severely on _Secret Invasion_, the Samuel L. Jackson-led thriller that stands as Marvel’s worst-reviewed series. Kyle Bradstreet, a writer and executive producer on USA Network Emmy winner _Mr. Robot_, had been working on the scripts for _Secret Invasion_ for about a year when he was fired after Marvel decided on a different direction. Enter new writer Brian Tucker, who penned the crime thriller _Broken City_. Thomas Bezucha, who helmed the thriller _Let Him Go_, and Ali Selim, who worked on Hulu’s 9/11 drama _The Looming Tower_, were on board as directors and to help crack the story. > > So far, so normal, at least by Marvel’s creative development standards. Details are murky, but what happened next, in the summer of 2022, debilitated the production as factions became entrenched and leaders vied for supremacy during _Secret Invasion_’s preproduction in London. “It was weeks of people not getting along, and it erupted,” says an insider. Marvel declined to directly comment on the matter. > > … > > By early September, a good portion of the _Invasion_ team had been replaced, with new line producers, unit production managers and assistant directors. And Bezucha, who was supposed to direct three episodes, left the show because of new scheduling conflicts. The Marvel executive overseeing the show, Chris Gary, was reassigned and, according to sources, is expected to depart Marvel when his contract is up at the end of the year. > **[‘Daredevil’ Hits Reset Button as Marvel Overhauls Its TV Business](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-marvel-disney-1235614518/)** > > Launched during the pandemic with a playbook to shoot $150 million-plus seasons with no pilots, the Disney unit is undergoing growing pains and seeing the logic of "traditional TV culture." Yikes. For those who don’t want to click, they’ve also just fired the head writers of Daredevil and are giving it a creative roboot. New writers, new directors…watch this space. But this is probably good news in the long run. Because of this: > [@](#): > > As it moves forward, Marvel is making concrete changes in how it makes TV. It now has plans to hire showrunners. Gao’s postproduction work on _She-Hulk_ helped Marvel see that it would be helpful for its shows to have a creative throughline from start to finish. > > “It’s a term we’ve not only grown comfortable with but also learned to embrace,” says Winderbaum of showrunners and Marvel TV’s intention to hire them. > > The studio also plans on bringing full-time TV execs on board, rather than borrowing its film executives. > > … > > It also is revamping its development process. Showrunners will write pilots and show bibles. The days of Marvel shooting an entire series, from _She-Hulk_ to _Secret Invasion_ , then looking at what’s working and what’s not, are done. > > … > > Marvel wants to create shows that run several seasons, where characters can take time to develop relationships with the audience rather than feeling as if they are there as a setup for a big crossover event. > **[‘Daredevil’ Hits Reset Button as Marvel Overhauls Its TV Business](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-marvel-disney-1235614518/)** > > Launched during the pandemic with a playbook to shoot $150 million-plus seasons with no pilots, the Disney unit is undergoing growing pains and seeing the logic of "traditional TV culture." I’ve argued over-and-over again that the big problem with the Marvel shows was the lack of a showrunner from the writers room and significant deviations from what would be regarded as the norms when it comes to TV shows. So it looks like Kevin _finally_ listened to me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/174 "2023-10-11T15:51:17Z")
That is good news. I was happy enough with this show, but the business just does better when they let the people who know what they’re doing actually do it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/175 "2023-10-11T18:51:31Z")
I mean, whatever they were doing before worked just fine with Loki, Wandavision, Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/176 "2023-10-11T21:36:42Z")
…as I’ve argued before, both Loki and Wandavision were the two shows that worked most closely to the traditional showrunner model with a strong writers room handing over to a single director to close out production. (Writer Michael Waldron handing over to Kate Herron for Loki, Jac Schaeffer handing over to Matt Shakman for Wandavision) The article points out that with She-Hulk, Jessica Gao was bought back-on-board for post-production and doing that righted the ship, and I’ve talked about what IMHO went wrong with Ms Marvel…and what saved it, over [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/writers-guild-of-america-goes-on-strike-5-2-23-tentative-deal-9-25-23-now-accepted-10-9-23/983448/75). The long-and-the-short-of it is that “when it worked” was when they stuck more closely to the traditional way of running television, and it “didn’t work” when they abandoned that and largely did their own thing. Secret Invasion was the _epitome_ of that IMHO. _Nothing_ about it worked. It was, for me anyway, the worst thing that the MCU had produced. And seeing what happened behind the scenes, what ended up on screen doesn’t surprise me at all. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/177 "2023-10-12T13:10:25Z")
What is funny is they are talking about the changes they are making to their streaming shows going forward (having a show runner and show bible etc.) like they are doing everyone a favor but these are things they now have to do because of the settled WGA strike. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/178 "2023-10-12T22:04:56Z")
Secret Invasion was a shit show, but people are vastly over inflating how bad the Disney shows have been. Most of them are top tier MCU content right up there with the best movies. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/179 "2023-10-12T23:49:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > but people are vastly over inflating how bad the Disney shows have been. …which people? I’ve loved all of the Marvel TV shows, with Secret Invasion being the notable exception. But some have been stronger than others, and _all_ of them were affected by the decision to develop them without a writers-room-lead-showrunner. If you try to make a TV show the way you make a movie you are going to run into problems. For the early shows they managed to gloss over that, primarily by having a single director to close out the production. But that stopped happening post-Loki. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922/180 "2023-10-13T10:33:44Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > If you try to make a TV show the way you make a movie you are going to run into problems. For the early shows they managed to gloss over that, primarily by having a single director to close out the production. Isn’t “having a single director” the definition of moviemaking? It seems to me like what they were attempting, eschewing a strong writer/showrunner and eschewing a single director, is neither how you’re supposed to make a TV show _nor_ how you’re supposed to make a movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/secret-invasion-nick-fury-tv-series-there-be-spoilers-in-here/985922.md?page=10)