# Seems like just the other day, not getting haircuts and being made to wear masks was tyranny **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 2, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948 "2020-06-02T22:01:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/41 "2020-06-04T17:19:12Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The purpose of the proposed military deployment is not to prevent people from protesting and demanding the arrest of people who have already been arrested, but to prevent widespread violence and looting. . The National Guard was [used to disperse a peaceful protest before the time of curfew](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials) so that Trump could take a walk to a church, from which [clergy had also been forcibly cleared by that deployment despite being on the church’s own property](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/03/priest-stjohns-church-trump/). So I’ve got a lot less faith than you do that further such deployments wouldn’t also be improperly used. ETA: partially beaten to it by running coach. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/42 "2020-06-04T18:14:19Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > The purpose of the proposed military deployment is not to prevent people from protesting and demanding the arrest of people who have already been arrested, but to prevent widespread violence and looting. There has never been a right to riot or loot. Pretending that opposing violent looting is the same as opposing demonstrations is disingenuous. Since you have been educated that nothing you typed here is based in what actually happened, you plan on commenting on what actually happened? Or just gonna leave this here and the corrections below it? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/43 "2020-06-04T18:35:05Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No teargas was deployed. Please don’t spread misinformation. Tear gas was employed. Please don’t spread misinformation. > [@](#): > > Authorities, who came from more than a half-dozen agencies besides the Park Police, set loose several wafting compounds, causing people to cough and gag as they scattered, their eyes red and streaming in some cases. They displayed the results of exposure to tear gas — tears, for example. > > “Tear gas is anything that makes you cry,” said Dr. Lynn Goldman, dean of the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, speaking of chemicals used in crowd dispersal. “Pepper spray is a tear gas. But there are all kinds of other ones, too.” > > Compounds that are listed as riot-control agents make people temporarily unable to function by irritating their eyes, mouth, throat, lungs and skin, the CDC says. They are “sometimes referred to as ‘tear gas,’” says a CDC fact sheet. > > The Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents also uses tear gas as an informal umbrella term for riot-control agents and cites pepper spray as one kind. In the unrest near the White House, officers shot plastic balls with pepper powder from what looked like souped-up paintball guns, and dispersed other compounds in a stinging fog. > > The book also says riot-control agents are “popularly referred to as ‘tear gas’ or ‘pepper spray.’” It says they may be combined with an explosive substance in grenades, released in a smoke of particles from handheld devices or sprayed in a solution. > > [AP Fact Check](https://apnews.com/2aa7979e6fb88948895407f127e5e5b6) ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/44 "2020-06-05T18:57:49Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Since you have been educated that nothing you typed here is based in what actually happened, you plan on commenting on what actually happened? Or just gonna leave this here and the corrections below it? Perhaps you have not been following the news carefully, but numerous riots that have caused billions of dollars worth of damages and killed several people and sent many more to the hospital had broken out in many cities across the countries. This is why many people are advocating the military step in or police departments use more aggressive tactics to curtail the violence. Perhaps the police should not have used pepper bullets when clearing Lafayette Square so Trump could safely inspect the damage that happened to a historic church, but there are bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/45 "2020-06-05T19:05:34Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Perhaps you have not been following the news carefully, but numerous riots that have caused billions of dollars worth of damages and killed several people and sent many more to the hospital had broken out in many cities across the countries. This is why many people are advocating the military step in or police departments use more aggressive tactics to curtail the violence. > Perhaps the police should not have used pepper bullets when clearing Lafayette Square so Trump could safely inspect the damage that happened to a historic church, but there are bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. He didn’t “inspect the damage to a historic church.” He stood on the sidewalk and held up a bible for a few seconds. Then invited some of his sycophants to stand next to him and get their pictures taken. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/46 "2020-06-05T19:10:13Z")
> [@Paintcharge](#): > > He didn’t “inspect the damage to a historic church.” He stood on the sidewalk and held up a bible for a few seconds. Then invited some of his sycophants to stand next to him and get their pictures taken. **Puddleglum** is wrong even when the discussion is how he was previously wrong. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/47 "2020-06-05T19:15:08Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Perhaps you have not been following the news carefully, but numerous riots that have caused billions of dollars worth of damages and killed several people and sent many more to the hospital had broken out in many cities across the countries. This is why many people are advocating the military step in or police departments use more aggressive tactics to curtail the violence. > Perhaps the police should not have used pepper bullets when clearing Lafayette Square so Trump could safely inspect the damage that happened to a historic church, but there are bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. Please provide a cite that he tear gassed the pastors there in order to inspect the damage, because I’ve watched the video and he did zero inspecting. I think you’re spreading a falsehood because you’ve been lied to by bad news sources and I suggest you get better ones. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/48 "2020-06-05T19:20:53Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. Bigger issues than shutting down by force a legal citizens’ protest, in a non-emergency situation; and forcibly removing clergy on the grounds of a church; so that an official can take an entirely unnecessary walk? That is an absolutely huge issue. It calls into question the entire rule of law. Even if Trump had gone to inspect the damage, which he didn’t, there would have been no legitimate reason to go about it like that. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/49 "2020-06-05T20:02:44Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > Perhaps you have not been following the news carefully, but numerous riots that have caused billions of dollars worth of damages and killed several people and sent many more to the hospital had broken out in many cities across the countries. This is why many people are advocating the military step in or police departments use more aggressive tactics to curtail the violence. > Perhaps the police should not have used pepper bullets when clearing Lafayette Square so Trump could safely inspect the damage that happened to a historic church, but there are bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. Just out of curiosity, should your domicile become newsworthy enough for a photo-op, would you welcome being driven from your home by government agents with tear gas\* and rubber bullets? ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948/50 "2020-06-08T18:10:57Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > …but there are bigger issues at play than park police clearing a square too roughly. Many other errors of fact with puddleglum’s posts have been pointed out, but I’ll just add that it wasn’t “park police”, nor any other police that cleared the square. They were not wearing ANY clearly identifying insignia. It is a matter of some dispute just exactly WHO the goons overseen by William Barr were, but the best guess is that they were a conglomeration of DEA agents and Federal prison guards. At least two of them have been identified (starting from their tee-shirts) as COs from a federal prison in Texas. > **[Prisons chief apologizes for letting officers on DC streets with no ID](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8388143/Bill-Barr-deploys-army-federal-correctional-officers.html)** > > The head of the federal prisons apologized for law enforcement officials patrolling the protests in Washington D.C. not identifying themselves and said they were not ordered to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seems-like-just-the-other-day-not-getting-haircuts-and-being-made-to-wear-masks-was-tyranny/854948.md?page=2)