# Seinfeld says pilots and finales are usually the two worst shows - any exceptions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 3, 2007, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082 "2007-11-03T02:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/101 "2007-11-06T21:49:24Z")
[QUOTE=Spatial Rift 47] 1. Voyager ruined the Borg. In TNG they were a force of nature, an unstoppable tsunami [/QUOTE] In their first couple of appearances, sure. That stopped roundabout the time Hugh was introduced. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/102 "2007-11-06T22:06:06Z")
[QUOTE=Tengu] In their first couple of appearances, sure. That stopped roundabout the time Hugh was introduced. [/QUOTE] Oh DO NOT REMIND ME about that episode. I nearly hurled my TV across the room when the Enterprise crew come up with a way to destroy the Borg but they don’t because “that would make us no better than them”. Yeah right, and that’s exactly why the US decided to not nuke Japan. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/103 "2007-11-06T22:25:03Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] I didn’t see all that much of the final season. After they killed off Eric’s attempted replacement between seasons, how did it all end? -Joe [/QUOTE] They brought on a new replacement for Eric, who, being handsome, doubled as a replacement for Kelso. They also brought in a Vegas stripper as Hyde’s wife. The finale was set on December 31, 1979. It had Hyde’s newest dad (Venus Fly Trap) giving the record store directly to Hyde after selling off the other chain locations. Red and Kitty had been considering moving to Florida, but decide to stay (especially after Hyde buys Red season tickets to the Packers). Kitty gives a tearful goodbye to each of the kids at a new years party. Eric comes back from Africa just in time to apologize to Donna and kiss at the stroke of 1980. And Jackie ends up with Fez. [The whole rundown](http://www.tv.com/that-70s-show/that-70s-finale/episode/661900/recap.html). ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/104 "2007-11-06T22:42:53Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] They brought on a new replacement for Eric, who, being handsome, doubled as a replacement for Kelso. They also brought in a Vegas stripper as Hyde’s wife. The finale was set on December 31, 1979. It had Hyde’s newest dad (Venus Fly Trap) giving the record store directly to Hyde after selling off the other chain locations. Red and Kitty had been considering moving to Florida, but decide to stay (especially after Hyde buys Red season tickets to the Packers). Kitty gives a tearful goodbye to each of the kids at a new years party. Eric comes back from Africa just in time to apologize to Donna and kiss at the stroke of 1980. And Jackie ends up with Fez. [The whole rundown](http://www.tv.com/that-70s-show/that-70s-finale/episode/661900/recap.html). [/QUOTE] Thanks for the update, **gg**. > [@illuminatiprimus](#): > > Oh DO NOT REMIND ME about that episode. I nearly hurled my TV across the room when the Enterprise crew come up with a way to destroy the Borg but they don’t because “that would make us no better than them”. Yeah right, and that’s exactly why the US decided to not nuke Japan. The fact that they were going to wipe out the Borg with a _fractal_ didn’t bother you at all? They should have skipped the plan because it was so SILLY. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/105 "2007-11-06T23:32:12Z")
AS mentioned the pilot for **Twin Peaks** was one of the best things ever to be shown on broadcast television, if it had been released in theaters it would have made dozens of top ten lists. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/106 "2007-11-08T14:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=Equipoise] The pilot for **Twin Peaks** is still one of the greatest things ever to appear on worldwide television. [/QUOTE] I agree,but the final episode sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2007, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082/107 "2007-11-08T18:37:33Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] Firefly had an excellent pilot and the finale for ST:TNG was one of the best episodes of the series. When Picard sits down at the poker table, it warms the cockles of my heart every time. But I’m not a real fan of the Firefly finale and I dislike most of the first season of ST:TNG. [/QUOTE] Um, there was no finale for _Firefly_, unless you count the movie. The last episode, “Objects in Space,” was not intended to end the series. And it was a damn fine episode, y’heretic! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seinfeld-says-pilots-and-finales-are-usually-the-two-worst-shows-any-exceptions/425082.md?page=5)