And the gays and women’s rights lost for a lot more than that.
So, no, it is just wishful thinking from you that people like me will stop about Hispanic and Black rights.
Remember, it is only a fallacy to you when you ignore that there is other evidence that supports the testimony of experts and people involved.
My previous post shows that the Attorney General does report that there is indeed evidence of discrimination to Hispanics and blacks. Of course that shows that the testimony cited had value.
That some want to ignore evidence, and that authorities that are not only at the schools continue to point out that there is a reason for the changes, shows that yours is really the minority of the minority position.
I am not sure what merit has to do with need but you haven’t presented any evidence that asians are the beneficiaries of AA. Certainly not the sort of AA that you are proposing.
And when we find that sort of discrimination we should get rid of it. You seem to think the answer to undiscovered discrimination is to implement government sponsored discrimination.
Anyhow, there is now a lawsuit to prevent tjhsst from eliminating the exam component of admissions and hopefully that lawsuit will prevail. I will certainly be supporting whoever is running against the folks that supported this racist proposal.
Once again, this is not a fight for equal rights, this is a fight for special rights for some at the expense of others.
I don’t think I can stop you. I don’t think I can change your mind. I think that the supreme court will stop you. And then it won’t matter what you think anymore.
No, stop claiming that I’m lying. This is not undiscovered (as the Attorney General says this is now discovered) discrimination, and I’m not saying that this is government discrimination. Again yours is only an opinion, Hispanics and Blacks need some of the chances Asians got before, together with more funding to allow more Asians to also get in.
Since when? That sounds like a pretty dramatic perversion of the mission of educating students.
I’d argue that the school district’s job is to set up an educational system that educates all students to a minimum standard determined by the state and/or district, and where possible educate students to the limits of their ability. Excelling and equity don’t figure into it explicitly, except insofar as if the school district is doing things right, they’re both considerations that need to be addressed in the pursuit of the primary goals.
It is clear that to make your statements work you need to grossly ignore that Hispanics and Blacks are being discriminated. On top of that continue to grossly ignore too what the Attorney General in Virginia has found out.
Fairfax County has a very high cost of living and almost everyone, of any race, who is in the eligibility zone for TJ would be considered at a minimum to be part of the upper middle class in many other parts of the country. With that said, Asians in Fairfax have about 25% less median income than whites and over 75% of Asian heads of household are first-generation immigrants. The idea that Asians in Fairfax are some sort of elite class by comparison to the other people in the TJ zone is totally bogus. And regardless, one of the major reasons for the magnet school movement is to make sure that high-achieving students are able to be served properly while maintaining an investment in the public school system - people who can’t afford private schools should be able to access specialized “gifted” education that the average public school may not be equipped for, and people who can afford private schools should be encouraged not to form a segregated educational track in order to feel their needs are being met.
The test is the same for everyone and admissions are done in an objective, race-blind manner. The only way you can support the notion that this is discriminatory is to subscribe to critical race theory metaphysics where everything is an active conspiracy against blacks. Your solution is to actively manipulate admissions through quotas until there are fewer Asians and many, many more whites - this is what passes for “anti-racism” in crazy upside-down CRT world.
Well thanks for showing you really do not know history, some people thought that after Dred Scott the slavery issue did not matter anymore. 20 years later we found that the best laid plans of mice and ignorant statements from men often go awry.
Good thing that I did not said that, nor the Attorney General.
That’s the seventh time you’ve posted in this thread that people who “know history” would somehow agree with you, without ever specifying what “history” you believe this refers to and how it supports your pro-quotamongering stance. Would you care to explain what you are talking about?
I do not think that the Attorney General did use CRT to conclude that discrimination against Hispanics and Blacks is going on. Do you have a cite for that?
ROFLMAO. Where? Where do i claim you are lying. I think you are incorrect about almost everything but I think you are sincere in your incorrect beliefs.
As far as the TJHSST admissions are concerned and as far as any school that wants AA is concerned, blacks and hispanics do in fact have the same opportunities as asians.
Once again, can you show me where asians got an undeserved advantage in college admissions? I am having trouble finding your link.
I don’t think it matters except to perhaps give you a way to say that asians are being hypocritical for taking advantage of aa when it served their interests but opposing it when it no longer does. It doesn’t make AA any more defensible. Racial discrimination seems to come in two varieties, the kind that the woke left approve of and the kind the woke left does not approve of.
You are then denying that you say that what I point out is false, like what the Attorney General did find out.
Never said that, straw manning is coming a lot here. this shows only that you ignore that when properly used AA is not offering undeserved advantages, just that it opened doors to deserved Asians that in the past were denied.
So this is like dredd scott? Well, Dredd Scott was never overturned. It took a civil war. Are you saying that there is going to be a civil war that enshrines affirmative action?
My reading of all the AA decisions is that even the supporters of AA think that it is a necessary evil that should be cast aside at some point. I think that point is well past due and I think this supreme court will agree, I could be wrong. Do you think AA should go on forever if we can never achieve racial parity otherwise?
Seems that you would like that, but I just foresee an eventual retirement of right wing judges followed by a more moderate court to change what is not forever set in stone as you wish. Also amendments can be set as it happened many times before that make null and void a court decision with no need to have a civil war.
modnote This thread is getting too personal. Not just GIGObuster, but many of the posters in thread. Either debate the merits of the posts and not the posters or take it to the pit.
I am reading your link. What exactly is the discriminatory practice? It seems like the complaint is that admissions relies too heavily on a standardized test and doesn’t do enough to identify promising black and hispanic students. In this context it does in fact seem like crt driven analysis to reach the conclusion that there is discrimination (if blacks aren’t thriving it’s because of racism). Unless the county is doing X to identify promising black students but doing X+Y to identify promising white students, I don’t see how that is discriminatory except in a crt sense.
Standardized tests may be racist but I don’t think there is any evidence that this particular one is racist.
It is very hard to follow moderation when you don’t actually point out the offending behavior. Can you point to the behavior by GIGObuster and “many of the other posters in this thread”? I don’t know if I fit into that category or not.