Tesla has hinted that they will have outside licensees for FSD. Maybe GM will be one of them.
FSD v13 has been in early release for the last few days and it’s looking very promising. It can back up, execute 3-point turns (or even 6-point turns), can park, etc. It seems to be as big a jump over v12 as v12 was over v11.
Probably one more generational improvement like this one, plus the required robotaxi infrastructure (like remote drivers) and it will be usable as a robotaxi, as well as allowing fully disengaged humans.
And my benighted BMW “smart” cruise control still can’t handle driving 50mph on a boulevard and coming up on cars stopped at a red light.
I’m a brave driver, but it waits waaay past when I’m uncomfortable to notice the cars ahead, then brakes aggressively to a stop. Putting me at risk of being rear-ended by somebody inattentive or with less than stellar brakes & tires. Or me crashing into the back of the pack if the road is unexpectedly slippery.
Every. Time.
It scares me into intervening at least half the time despite me telling myself to let it go deeper into the risky zone. Over and over. Damned thing is giving me grayer hair.
The displays suggest it brakes as soon as it notices the traffic ahead. But if so, it’s detection range is only adequate for maybe 35mph closure rates.
OTOH, on a freewway it’ll handle 60+ mph closure rates smoothly. Color me confused.
That’s pretty bad. FSD brakes a little later than I’d like, but not obnoxiously so. More that just if there’s a distant red light, I like to sloooowly coast to a stop. Which actually requires feathering the gas since the default regen is fairly aggressive.
@LSLGuy … that is sooo darn weird … german engineering / risk mmt / legal woes … and all - does not make sense, right? one would expect a system like that to be driving Ms. Daisy … and err on the cautious side of things.
@Dr.Strangelove
I can somewhat relate to breaking later than one is accustomed / comfortable to … my FSD does that too - A LOT!!! (we just celebrated our 20th anniversary ) … but yeah … white knuckle shotgun rides are no fun … whenever I can, I swap places with my teenage daughters, b/c (and that is an oddity, too) … when riding in a rear seat, I am way more in “off” mode, as opposed to be co-pilot.
What annoys me about the Tesla cruise control is that it starts slowing down too eagerly. Often when a left turner crosses in front of me, but also things like a person getting out of a car, and other potential obstacles. Which is fine, except I can see that I’ll easily get by the problem by slightly steering around it.
Instead, the Tesla will decelerating aggressively, often by 5+ mph. So I feather the accelerator to stay at the cruise speed. It’s easy to go over. The most annoying part is the car puts up a warning “cruise control will not brake”. Which is pure gaslighting because I’m only touching the accelerator because the cruise control was braking.
This is BMW. So a performance rep to maintain. Ms. Daisy is for those losers over at Daimler. It accelerates off a light with limousine-like grace and aplomb, but no G-force. Yet brakes like an attention-span challenged teen who just now noticed it’s about to die. Color me very baffled.
I don’t have it yet but should within the next few days. This is the first version where HW3 will get at best a degraded version because it uses the full resolution of HW4’s better cameras.
Reading about it a little more, FSD will now be able to start from a parked state and reverse. It will back out of parking spaces and do three point turns as needed. You supposedly have the option to have it find a parking space on its own when you enter a parking lot.
I just did a quick neighborhood run with 13.2.1. It was pretty much the same as before except the car started from a dead stop in my garage and backed out into the street before heading out. It’s kind of just a cool party trick but I like cool party tricks. I don’t know how to get it to drive into the garage when navigating to home. You can only set an address for “home” and not a dropped pin (that I can find anyway).
Tomorrow night I will be driving from home (Santa Barbara) to Ventura and back and will report results.
Cool. What it needs ultimately is the ability to show it where to park. I have a condo with my own garage, but a pin isn’t enough to distinguish my spot from another, nor does it tell it that it needs to be inside the garage. But if I can just show it a few times where the spot is, I’d think it could do the rest.
I found a post on reddit where a guy figured out how to do it using a pin location with Google Maps. The pin location gives a code that you enter. I may give this a try. It’s probably fine to get you into a large driveway but maybe not into a specific parking spot or garage.
Thank you for linking to this, it’s something I really needed. My work address takes me to the street outside my building, but not into the parking lot, which is a very important difference when it comes to picking the ideal route.
Up until now I’d just had a pin saved as a favorite location, so I could manually select it as a destination, but none of the “going to work” shortcuts were useful.
One tip for those who try it, and I don’t think the post mentions this explicitly, the city name was needed for auto complete to work. When I put in ABCD+123 nothing happened, but when I did ABCD+123 My City then it autocompleted a location I could select.
I did the Santa Barbara/Ventura round trip at night a couple days ago and today during the day did a
Santa Barbara/Los Angeles round trip. v13.2.1 FSD.
I love that it begins from the car being completely stopped and uses reverse to get out of a parking space or parallel parked. The driving itself is a lot smoother especially with lane changes and dealing with construction zones. I’m super happy. It still gets confused with flashing red lights at intersections.
Next up is the ability to make three point turns in navigation and using audio inputs to better deal with police and fire vehicle sirens.
340 km total, mostly highway a little suburb. No FSD related interventions. The few places that made me nervous before were handled well like this one construction zone and the one weird right turn to get into my neighborhood.
I’ve mentioned before and it bares repeating. You have to learn to drive with FSD. It’s a very quick learning curve but once you do it’s so much less effort as far as mental energy. I am definitely more alert in construction zones and when it’s time to start moving over to get off of the highway.
The improvement in the software since March has been incredible.
I had a screw up last night and it was a thing that earlier FSD versions intermittently screwed up as well. It was at an intersection with a signal controlled left turn lane that could be green, red or red arrow. The rest of the lanes were green and my lane was a red arrow. It went to make a left turn anyway and I intervened.
) … but yeah … white knuckle shotgun rides are no fun … whenever I can, I swap places with my teenage daughters, b/c (and that is an oddity, too) … when riding in a rear seat, I am way more in “off” mode, as opposed to be co-pilot.