# Sen. Crapo arrested for DUI **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 24, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016 "2012-12-24T15:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/21 "2012-12-24T23:01:05Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Also, is it standard in that area to do a breathalyzer on a routine traffic stop? I’m guessing he had signs of drunkeness that gave probable cause. 0.11 isn’t that much as far as visible signs go, but who knows how used he is to drinking and maintaining anyway. Northern VA is very anti drunk driving. Road blocks checking all vehicles are routine. When every I came across them they questioned me briefly and waved me on. Had they any suspicion I was drinking I’m sure they would have done a Breathalyzer. As it was always on my way into or out of a second or third shift my story wasn’t very suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/22 "2012-12-25T05:31:16Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Old joke: > > What’s the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist? > > The Methodist will say “hi” at the liquor store. Another old joke: An Episcopalian is a Presbyterian with a trust fund. A Presbyterian is a Methodist with a college education. And a Methodist is a Baptist with shoes. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/23 "2012-12-25T05:45:25Z")
I must admit, however, that it must have taken balls the size of apples for a guy named “Crapo” to get into politics in the first place. He must have been drunk at the time. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/24 "2012-12-25T09:05:12Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I guess he injects it. Or he could be taking alcohol enemas. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/25 "2012-12-25T13:04:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Or he could just be a Mormon who lies about drinking, as some percentage of them have to be doing. That’d be the simplest explanation. We call 'em Jackleg Mormons here in Arizona. I have no idea where the term came from but the fact that it exists shows there’s more than the church would like. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/26 "2012-12-25T13:41:30Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > But then, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if his claim to Mormonism were purely political in the first place. In this country, you have to at least pretend to be religious to get elected in most constituencies. (That’s why we have so many Protestants in office: Protestantism has the least motions to go through in order to give the appearance of religiosity,) > > In which case, his real problem was choosing the wrong religion to fake. Not considering that he’s in Idaho. I don’t think that’s a particularly fruitful path to explore though. If you’re going to fake Mormonism, I think going all the way to becoming a Bishop is probably overkill. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/27 "2012-12-25T15:45:11Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > We call 'em Jackleg Mormons here in Arizona. I have no idea where the term came from but the fact that it exists shows there’s more than the church would like. [Jack Mormon.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_mormon) Now means a lapsed Mormon, but originally meant someone who was not a baptized Mormon but was a Mormon sympathizer. Origin disputed. > [@](#): > > **Origin of the term** > > The first publicly recorded use of the term was in 1846 by Thomas C. Sharp,[1] editor of the Warsaw Signal, who referred to “A certain Jack-mormon of Hancock county…”[2] Sharp also coined the term “Jack-Mason” to refer to those who were sympathetic toward Masons in the Anti-Masonic political movement. These sympathetic non-Mormons included Nauvoo Justice of the Peace Daniel H. Wells, who later joined the church, and soldier and diplomat Thomas L. Kane. Kane was identified as a sympathetic Jack Mormon by US Army officials and the media, some of whom asserted that he had been secretly baptised into the LDS faith. However friendly toward the LDS people, Kane remained a Presbyterian all of his life. > > Several LDS historians[who?] believe that the term was used prior to Sharp’s mention, and has ties to sympathetic Democrats in Jackson County, Missouri. Their belief is that the term originated in Missouri, during the Kirtland period of Latter Day Saint history, circa 1834. When Church members were expelled from Jackson County by a mob, many fled to Clay County, where local citizens, mostly Democrats, were sympathetic and friendly toward the Mormons. These citizens were pejoratively labeled “Jack” Mormons by the antagonistic citizens of Jackson County. [See also:](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jack_Mormon) > [@](#): > > A **Jack Mormon** is somebody raised in Mormonism who still identifies with the Mormon culture to some extent, but not the belief system or the church. They may attend services on occasion but not regularly, or they may not attend at all and hold agnostic beliefs. Even those who remain in the church do not follow its teachings regarding such things as drinking alcohol and coffee. > > **Jack Mormon culture** > > A Jack Mormon culture consists of Jack Mormons who continue to identify with Mormonism because it is their heritage, but do so on a joke religion basis in the same manner as religions like Discordianism and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They know all the Mormon in-group slang, history, and customs and use them in ironic and humorous ways. > > In places like Salt Lake City, Park City, Price, and Moab, Utah where the population is significantly non-Mormon, Jack Mormonism also tends to thrive, with Jack Mormons and non-Mormons alike going out of their way to flaunt their sinfulness. > > **Non practising Mormons** > > The above is not true of all Jack Mormons however. Many are simply inactive in the church or “backslidden”, and drink, smoke, cuss, smoke marijuana, masturbate, and fornicate, and go to church maybe once a year on Christmas. During the 1970s and 80s when Mormon voting patterns shifted heavily toward the Republican Party, the “Jack Mormon” accusation was often used for Mormons who voted Democrat. > > **Committed Mormons who reject some beliefs** > > There is a somewhat related phenomenon of dissident reformists and liberals who remain active within the LDS church and continue to believe in its religious beliefs, but seek to change the church’s position on gay rights, birth control, abortion, environmentalism, or feminism. Technically not Jack Mormons, they are accused of such anyway, and the LDS church quietly tries to tolerate the quieter ones and frequently disfellowships or excommunicates the more active ones. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/28 "2012-12-25T15:46:34Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > We call 'em Jackleg Mormons here in Arizona. I have no idea where the term came from but the fact that it exists shows there’s more than the church would like. Jackleg means half-assed, or somebody who doesn’t put effort into what he does. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/29 "2012-12-25T16:14:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Or he could just be a Mormon who lies about drinking, as some percentage of them have to be doing. That’d be the simplest explanation. That’s why you never invite one Mormon to your party. You always invite two. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/30 "2012-12-25T17:17:42Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Or he could be taking alcohol enemas. Talk about a drunk asshole! ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/31 "2012-12-25T17:42:46Z")
The way things are going in Congress these days who could blame him? Or maybe, just maybe, if Congress is proportionally representative of the population they represent about ten percent of them are alcoholic. That could explain a lot of things. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/32 "2012-12-25T19:14:29Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Talk about a drunk asshole! Congressmen are NOT assholes! They are neither that deep nor that warm. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/33 "2012-12-27T22:35:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Or he could just be a Mormon who lies about drinking, as some percentage of them have to be doing. At least he wasn’t caught drinking tea. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/34 "2012-12-27T22:43:00Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > At least he wasn’t caught drinking tea. :eek: [What’s wrong with that?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_nevadensis) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/35 "2012-12-28T05:13:27Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > [What’s wrong with that?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_nevadensis) [A whole fucking **lot!**](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TeaAndTeaCulture) > [@](#): > > During World War II, Britain shipped, by weight, more tea to her troops than anything save bullets. Small arms ammunition, that is: the British army got through more tea than artillery shells. By weight. Contemporary soldier Spike Milligan observed that they were damn lucky that Rommel never tried baiting minefields with tea. ◦ Arthur C. Clarke recounted in his autobiography that during WWII, one of his jobs in the civil service was to coordinate the dispersal of tea stockpiles throughout the country, as the government feared civil disorder if the main warehouses were taken out by a chance bombing. > ◦ In 1942 the Luftwaffe decided that, deprived of tea, the British Empire would pretty much grind to a halt. They therefore decided to bomb Mincing Lane - center of all British and Imperial tea trading - flat. It worked too. The tea industry was sent into chaos and tea was rationed to two ounces a week - which is very very little. From a morale point of view it was one of the most successful bombing strategies of the war. > ◦ On D-Day, the British troops started to make tea on Sword Beach almost as soon as they landed, even though they were still under fire. Later, after the beaches were taken and troops started to move inland, the Americans got upset over reports that the British stopped advancing to make tea, as the plan called for soldiers to advance until nightfall in order to capture as much ground before the expected German counter attack. > ◦ Certain early machine guns were water-cooled, and the British discovered that, just like hot water from other sources (imagine!), the water could be used to make tea when you were done with it. In fact, it was so efficient at heating the water (it reached boiling after just a few seconds of sustained fire) that the British were apparently known to fire the guns just to make their tea. > ◦ Spike Milligan’s mate Harry Edgington showed bravery under fire in North Africa. A German aircraft strafed their artillery position while Edgington was making a brew. Rather than duck for cover, Edgington took off his steel helmet and used it to protect the precious brewing tea, lest it get shot up… > ◦ One of the small, metal blast shelters on Normandy’s Pointe du Hoc has the back completely blown out. While it may be an urban legend, the explanation some tour guides give holds that, after the area was captured, two British soldiers decided to make tea. For some reason, whatever they lit to heat the water caused a massive explosion. Their bodies were never recovered, and they were listed as missing in action. Worse than smack, it is! What the fuck do those dumb fucking Brits think this shit is, anyway, **coffee?!** ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/36 "2013-01-05T06:34:13Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > (That’s why we have so many Protestants in office: Protestantism has the least motions to go through in order to give the appearance of religiosity). Or maybe it could be because we have so many Protestants in the country. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/37 "2013-01-05T07:19:55Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > Or maybe it could be because we have so many Protestants in the country. Actually, maybe just some jokes apparently need a smiley. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016/38 "2013-01-05T10:51:51Z")
Well, the DUI is a shame, but it’s good to see the Marx Brothers are still finding work at least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sen-crapo-arrested-for-dui/645016.md?page=1)