# Senator Boxer (D-CA) Lies and doesn't even admit it! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116 "2011-04-12T17:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/121 "2011-04-16T12:25:02Z")
So what took all you folks so long to catch on? Some of us figured that out about **Bricker** long, long ago. And took some amount of shit from you about it, too. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/122 "2011-04-16T12:51:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So what took all you folks so long to catch on? Some of us figured that out about **Bricker** long, long ago. And took some amount of shit from you about it, too. I don’t know. Perhaps they, like me, would take a score of Brickers over one snide, hostile, overwhelmingly nasty piece of work like you, and thus wished to give him the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/123 "2011-04-16T13:08:01Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > There are **Brickrolls** , threads where he posts a scenario while holding a shoe behind his back… The best SDMB neologism I’ve seen in years. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/124 "2011-04-16T13:40:40Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > I don’t know. Perhaps they, like me, would take a score of Brickers over one snide, hostile, overwhelmingly nasty piece of work like you, and thus wished to give him the benefit of the doubt. Oooh, \*somebody \*has some hostility issues, don’t they? Hey, it ain’t _my_ fault you’ve been so slow to catch on. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/125 "2011-04-16T23:18:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Mammograms” is a slip of the tongue? That’s quite a tongue. Bricker, it is clear that Boxer made an untrue statement. But the difference between what she said and what Kyl said is that if she corrected her statement to omit mammograms and just mention all the other stuff, it wouldn’t change the impact of what she said very much. If you change 90% to 3% or even 15%, it has a significant impact on what Kyl said. Saying that someone provides mammograms when they only provide breast exams, pap smears STD testing, birth control, cancer screening, in an effort to show that they do more than provide abortions is not really a big deal. Saying that someone spends over 90% of their time or money providing abortions when its only 3% or 15% is a fucking lie. That’s why its a false equivalence. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/126 "2011-04-17T00:16:24Z")
I have no use for Barbara Boxer but… > [@Bricker](#): > > And I do regard Kyl’s statement as clear hyperbole. So if a senator got up there and said that over 90% of Hispanics in Arizona are illegal aliens then you would call that hyperbole? If a senator said that over 90% of conservatives are members of the Klu Klux Klan, is that hyperbole? If a senator said that over 90% of abortions are partial birth abortions, is that just hyperbole? So why is it hyperbole when you say that over 90% of the what planned parenthood does is abortions? > [@](#): > > But this is the distinction: Kyl is not allowed to commit hyperbole. He’s held to the literal claim. 3% to 90%+ is not hyperbole, its either a disregard for the truth or an intentional attempt to mislead. > [@](#): > > Boxer’s allowed to be hyperbolic, to make slips of the tongue, any interpretation that might save her. Sticking mammogram in there is not hyperbolic. Its either a lie or an error, depending on whether what she knew. But why would she lie about mammograms? What does sticking mammograms in there get her that sticking breast exams in there doesn’t? > [@](#): > > You seriously don’t see how different the standards are? You seriously don’t see why there is a difference between what Kyl did and what Boxer did? But neither was Kyl. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/127 "2011-04-17T00:25:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Amen. He _isn’t_ better than this, as he proves repeatedly. He generally argues honestly and has changed his position based on new facts much more readily than “more than 90%” of the other posters on this board. I don’t agree with his views but he doesn’t doggedly hold on to his views as if being right in the first instance is more important than being right ultimately. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/128 "2011-04-17T00:28:46Z")
You should probably catch up with the thead, **Damuri**. Not only has **Bricker** repeatedly conceded the point, but it’s been determined that Boxer wasn’t even wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/129 "2011-04-17T00:30:10Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > He is better. I’ve seen him “raise his hand” acknowledging the foul FAR more than the typical advocate from his “side”. > > He also happens to be “better” at debating, so it takes unimpeachable evidence to get there. No it doesn’t take unimpeachable evidence. Sticking to your guns until it is impossible to continue to maintain your position is not reasonable. Bricker changes his position when his point has “reasonably” been refuted, not refuted beyond doubt. That is what makes him better than others on his side. There are people on this board who, if they found themselves in the position of saying “the sun will not come out tomorrow” would continue to defend that position until the sun actually came out. Bricker will admit the sun will drop his entire argument when he realizes that his position is no longer reasonably defensible. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/130 "2011-04-17T00:31:43Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Man, I am just disappointed that Bricker conceded before I could get my two cents in. Well, I went ahead and replied anyways as if PP actually doesn’t have a damn thing to do with mammograms, mostly because I responded before reading the whole thread (a habit I have to remedy) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/131 "2011-04-17T00:33:31Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > The fact that these women can’t afford to go to a regular doctor, so Planned Parenthood is their source of all medical information. I know, because years ago I was one of them. > > The thing that annoys me most about all these old white men talking about Planned Parenthood is that they don’t even know about what a lifesaver it is for poor women, and they don’t care either. Its not that they don’t care because they don’t know. They don’t know because they don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/132 "2011-04-17T01:59:43Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > If you like, I can focus more fully on your idiocies (i.e. patients-do-not-have-rights-like-those-of-other-protected-groups-because- **Bricker** -says-so) Not to entirely derail this thread but patients are not a protected “group” (usually we say protected class) > [@](#): > > I have cited numerous cases of patients denied prescriptions for emergency and routine contraception. I don’t think Bricker is denying that people have in fact been denied service. He is asking for instances where this denied service amounted to denied access to service. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/133 "2011-04-17T02:02:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You should probably catch up with the thead, **Damuri**. Not only has **Bricker** repeatedly conceded the point, but it’s been determined that Boxer wasn’t even wrong. Bricker conceded the point BECAUSE it turned out Boxer was not wrong. My point is that even if Boxer HAD been wrong, his point would not be valid. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/134 "2011-04-17T02:11:42Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > **Bricker** , I highly respect you as a poster and debater, but this is grasping at straws and you know it. Sorry. Why would you respect someone who constantly plays these little nitpicky “gotcha” games? For me to respect someone they have to earn it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/135 "2011-04-17T02:20:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Bricker conceded the point BECAUSE it turned out Boxer was not wrong. My point is that even if Boxer HAD been wrong, his point would not be valid. [He conceded that point, too.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13679760&postcount=55) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/136 "2011-04-17T04:08:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I responded before reading the whole thread (a habit I have to remedy) No shit. While you’re at it, if you could stop the habit of replying 8 times to the same thread in rapid succession that would be good too. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/137 "2011-04-17T05:10:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Bricker changes his position when his point has “reasonably” been refuted, not refuted beyond doubt. That is what makes him better than others on his side. There are people on this board who, if they found themselves in the position of saying “the sun will not come out tomorrow” would continue to defend that position until the sun actually came out. Bricker will admit the sun will drop his entire argument when he realizes that his position is no longer reasonably defensible. In one of Lawrence Block’s Matt Scudder novels the detective tells an anecdote about Alcoholics Anonymous. At Scudder’s AA chapter meetings, there’s a tradition of having attendees introduce themselves and relate how long they’ve been off the booze, after which each gets a round of applause. “Two weeks.” (applause) “Four years.” (applause) “Three months.” (applause) One regular is having a very hard time with the sobriety thing, and moreover doesn’t seem very concerned about it. He habitually shows up to AA meetings fresh off a bender, woozily proclaiming “I drank yesterday. But I haven’t had anything today. So I been sober one day!” (applause) After this pattern repeats itself over and over and over again, the other AA members get sick of applauding the guy and decide to change their policy so there’s no longer applause after sobriety announcements. Someday Dopers may decide that the ability to apologize does not make you a Very Special Poster if you constantly keep creating the need to apologize by saying provocatively stupid things. Such as this (in the current GD thread about pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for contraceptives): > [@Bricker](#): > > I claim simply that this case does not present a question of objective justice, simply a question of which is the wisest social policy. > > “Conservatives think liberals have bad ideas; liberals think conservatives are bad people.” He actually said this in a thread _related to abortion_. Oh wait, after he was called on it, he apologized. What a wonderful fellow. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/138 "2011-04-18T05:31:36Z")
Am I the only who thinks that \*\*Bricker \*\*quit posting about a year ago and someone else is using his account? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/139 "2011-04-18T13:53:13Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Don’t start the fucking thread to begin with, **Bricker**. What an exercise in useless distraction. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Honestly, I think this is a good idea. At the very least, when you hear about some politically-motivated Candid-Camera-style action, do some serious skeptical research BEFORE posting about it. Excellent advice. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/senator-boxer-d-ca-lies-and-doesnt-even-admit-it/578116/140 "2011-04-18T15:36:53Z")
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